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 Post subject: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am 
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On the surface this looks to be stupid idea, and that is just the surface. Underneath it would seem to be an attempt to further push education to an ideology that reflects a Republican point of view.

I can not grasp that people who you spend your time deriding as doing a bad job, that you actively pursue limiting their involvement in organized labor, and that you make moves to eliminate their pensions should now be held responsible as being guards in active combat. Truly WTF.

Is this the latest plan to weed out teachers who are against guns for teaching in schools. A new red badge of courage that must be worn to teach in America?

My Grandmother was a teacher, she taught 5th grade for 20 plus years. She was feared by her students without using gun by being demanding and strict without being cruel or vindictive. The idea she should have been armed is just preposterous.


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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
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Trump said 20% of teachers will have already had firearms training. Now look, no doubt, some will be ex-cops and ex-military. Some may just be recreational sport shooters. But that 20% figure. Where does it come from? Why am I expecting his massive nether regions?

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
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In South Dakota we allow willing school employees to carry a concealed firearm after completing extensive background checks and law enforcement training. To my knowledge there are two school districts in the state that have utilized what is called the School Sentinel Program. The program works like this:

School Sentinel Training Program

The school board may submit a person for school sentinel training only if the person meets the following requirements:

1-Is a citizen of the United States;
2-Is at least 21 years of age at time of appointment;
3-Has fingerprints taken by a qualified law enforcement officer;
4-Is of good moral character;
5-Is a graduate of an accredited high school or has a high school equivalency certificate acceptable to the commission;
6-Is examined by a licensed physician who certifies, on forms prescribed by the commission, that the applicant is able to perform the duties of a school sentinel;
7-Is interviewed in person by the school board or its designee and approved by the school board to apply to the school sentinel basic training course;
8-Has received written approval to apply to the school sentinel basic training course by all local law enforcement agencies with jurisdiction over the school premises in which the individual will act as a school sentinel;
9-Has not unlawfully used any prescribed drug, controlled substance, or marijuana within one year before the time of application for training; and
10-Has a valid concealed weapons permit.

Law Enforcement Training provides training for all approved school sentinels. The training course for the school sentinel program consists of at least 80 hours of training in the following subject areas.

1-Firearms proficiency
2-Use of force
3-Legal aspects
4-Weapons retention
5-Identifying protocol for identifying sentinel
6-First aid

No employee can be required to participate in the School Sentinel Program against their will.

13-64-4. School employee right to refuse to carry firearms. No school board, in implementing the provisions of § 13-64-1, may arm any individual teacher or other school employee without the latter's free, willing, and voluntary consent. No individual teacher or other school employee may be censured, criticized, or discriminated against for unwillingness or refusal to carry firearms pursuant to this chapter.

Source: SL 2013, ch 93, § 4.

If you want to read more codified laws pertaining to the program they can be found here: http://sdlegislature.gov/Statutes/Codif ... pe=Statute


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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:18 pm 
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Trump said 20% of teachers will have already had firearms training. Now look, no doubt, some will be ex-cops and ex-military. Some may just be recreational sport shooters. But that 20% figure. Where does it come from? Why am I expecting his massive nether regions?

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:31 pm 
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On the surface this looks to be stupid idea, and that is just the surface. Underneath it would seem to be an attempt to further push education to an ideology that reflects a Republican point of view.

I can not grasp that people who you spend your time deriding as doing a bad job, that you actively pursue limiting their involvement in organized labor, and that you make moves to eliminate their pensions should now be held responsible as being guards in active combat. Truly WTF.

Is this the latest plan to weed out teachers who are against guns for teaching in schools. A new red badge of courage that must be worn to teach in America?

My Grandmother was a teacher, she taught 5th grade for 20 plus years. She was feared by her students without using gun by being demanding and strict without being cruel or vindictive. The idea she should have been armed is just preposterous.

Teachers have enough to do at work and at home (grading papers, preparing future lesson plans, etc.) as well as maintaining their credentials by taking additional classes. Having them train to handle weapons and act as a quasi-law enforcement agency is just too much to ask of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Another white con pretext to Philando Castile educators, especially nonwhite teachers.

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:05 pm 
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this is a white pretext, a white NRA pretext, to sell more fucking weapons, is all.

if guards cant shoot why would i expect the teacher who is trying to PHYSICALLY protect my child
leave them to wave a weapon at someone else in the hall...
and who is going to pay for the training the weapons the ammo the firing ranges...and when
do TEACHERS HAVE THE FUCKING TIME AND ENERGY FOR WEAPONS TRAINING WHEN THEY
HAVE TO BUY PAPER PENCILS BOOKS AND SCHOOL SUPPLIES FOR THEIR STUDENTS..

this is just the NRA hawking their wares AGAIN.

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:59 pm 
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In South Dakota we allow willing school employees to carry a concealed firearm after completing extensive background checks and law enforcement training. To my knowledge there are two school districts in the state that have utilized what is called the School Sentinel Program. The program works like this:

School Sentinel Training Program

The school board may submit a person for school sentinel training only if the person meets the following requirements:

1-Is a citizen of the United States;
2-Is at least 21 years of age at time of appointment;
3-Has fingerprints taken by a qualified law enforcement officer;
4-Is of good moral character;
5-Is a graduate of an accredited high school or has a high school equivalency certificate acceptable to the commission;
6-Is examined by a licensed physician who certifies, on forms prescribed by the commission, that the applicant is able to perform the duties of a school sentinel;
7-Is interviewed in person by the school board or its designee and approved by the school board to apply to the school sentinel basic training course;
8-Has received written approval to apply to the school sentinel basic training course by all local law enforcement agencies with jurisdiction over the school premises in which the individual will act as a school sentinel;
9-Has not unlawfully used any prescribed drug, controlled substance, or marijuana within one year before the time of application for training; and
10-Has a valid concealed weapons permit.

Law Enforcement Training provides training for all approved school sentinels. The training course for the school sentinel program consists of at least 80 hours of training in the following subject areas.

1-Firearms proficiency
2-Use of force
3-Legal aspects
4-Weapons retention
5-Identifying protocol for identifying sentinel
6-First aid

No employee can be required to participate in the School Sentinel Program against their will.

13-64-4. School employee right to refuse to carry firearms. No school board, in implementing the provisions of § 13-64-1, may arm any individual teacher or other school employee without the latter's free, willing, and voluntary consent. No individual teacher or other school employee may be censured, criticized, or discriminated against for unwillingness or refusal to carry firearms pursuant to this chapter.

Source: SL 2013, ch 93, § 4.

If you want to read more codified laws pertaining to the program they can be found here: http://sdlegislature.gov/Statutes/Codif ... pe=Statute


in the daytime armed and at the ready in the night sending racists memes out,
the whole thing strikes the same as having post traumatic stressed out churchgoers armed and watching the door for the slightest movement. makes me fear for the innocent. Trumps stance on this is just further proof he shouldn't be president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fl7yNIPlGM

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:46 am 
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Next requirement, kids must be fully combat trained.

Come on why not! I want kids to be able to defend themselves. Would you believe it.

How about a lot less guns.

The solution is in the direction of less gun not more guns. Right wingers have trouble with peaceful situations.

Trump is a disgrace.

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 Post subject: Re: Arming Teachers
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:52 pm 
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Teachers to Trump: Arm us, but not with guns

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These teachers want to be armed. Just not with guns.

Using the #ArmMeWith hashtag, teachers across the nation — including in Michigan —were responding loud and clear this week to proposals from President Donald Trump and others to arm teachers with weapons so they can respond to school shootings.



I am a teacher. I dont want a gun. I WON'T shoot a student. #ArmMeWithpic.twitter.com/QEmEB1h7MW

— Gryffindor_Granny (@elizabe21178887) February 22, 2018
So what do teachers want? They want to be armed with everything from lower class sizes to better resources to help students living in poverty.

Definitely!! #ArmMeWith pencils, paper, laptops, software, snacks for hungry kids, boots, shoes, socks, pens, art supplies, notebooks, textbooks not approved in #TX, whiteboards, markers, projectors, 3D printers... https://t.co/1jamskbXJ2

— Jean (@leftnotright) February 23, 2018
USA Today reported Thursday that the movement was created this week on Instagram by teachers Olivia Bertels (@missbertels_) and Brittany Wheaton (@thesuperheroteacher). Bertels, who teaches middle school English in Kansas, knew someone close to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. She told USA TODAY that she and Wheaton started #ArmMeWith to combat the "absurd notion being espoused by largely NRA-funded politicians" that arming teachers will keep schools safe.............

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