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I think sometimes what cons and frightened liberals and others really do not understand is that honestly, we're not afraid of them.

We're not going to ever stop our work because of them. So-called moderate whites may be cowed by their violence and threats of backlash, but we're not. Maybe they're that way because they are the first targets of backlash, before it even reaches us, dunno.

Either way, they're not the targets of the legislation and these one nation under god/one religion under god rabblerousing of the hayseeds.

They did not understand it in like the 1700s when enslaved peoples sang "ain't gonna let nobody turn me 'round," and again during the Civil Rights movement. They don't understand it 300 years later, either.

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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:40 pm I think sometimes what cons and frightened liberals and others really do not understand is that honestly, we're not afraid of them.

We're not going to ever stop our work because of them. So-called moderate whites may be cowed by their violence and threats of backlash, but we're not. Maybe they're that way because they are the first targets of backlash, before it even reaches us, dunno.

Either way, they're not the targets of the legislation and these one nation under god/one religion under god rabblerousing of the hayseeds.

They did not understand it in like the 1700s when enslaved peoples sang "ain't gonna let nobody turn me 'round," and again during the Civil Rights movement. They don't understand it 300 years later, either.

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I agree completely. As a white liberal being the target of killing or maiming or red lining (not yet anyway) is NEW to me and I admit my initial reaction is split between fear and anger, but what scares me is my ANGER is far greater than my fear, which may work against me someday.

In my case the main reason I started talking about their violence years ago was it was unthinkable back then that any of the things you knew they were capable of, Adamquestor knew they were capable of (my education came from the two of you and my own life dealing with them daily) and I knew they were capable of, we could not say them out loud without being yelled at by most in our camp.

And now it is too late, in some respects. My fear isnt around the individual pockets of violence from punks like rittenhouse, it is that I am certain, to the point that I bet money on it, the GOP will refuse to certify or count votes when they are losing. And what happens next normally would be courts and HONEST judges, but I dont see that happening, I see violence. Hope I am wrong.

You are used to being targeted by the VILE people out there and ON THIS board because of your skin color or who you choose to love. And just that comment alone is proof of EVERYTHING you have said about white cons.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:39 pm The GOP is the party of racism, anti-LGBTQ, anti-immigrant, anti-Islam, misogynist totalitarianism, and the south will rise again/Russia is our friend.

It's why people like Glennfs votes for it, and why he's fine with his rep's vote on Paul Gosar, who is a known/good WN.
Unless if course it is a liberal Democrat threatening to take out trump tonight. In that case you are fine with violent rhetoric.
Btw did you write a letter to Maxine Waters strongly condemning her words
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Libertas wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:52 pm I agree completely. As a white liberal being the target of killing or maiming or red lining (not yet anyway) is NEW to me and I admit my initial reaction is split between fear and anger, but what scares me is my ANGER is far greater than my fear, which may work against me someday.
I would just say this is where your in a good tradition of people in the same boat.

It's WHY we developed strategies based on nonviolence to combat these Glennfs's. It's WHY 93% of last year's BLM protests were overwhelmingly nonviolent.

It's not even because of the WS perception of Black people being inherently violent and out to get the whites -- a consistent theme in Glennfs posts.

It's because their violent way simply doesn't work, except for perpetuating more violence.
In my case the main reason I started talking about their violence years ago was it was unthinkable back then that any of the things you knew they were capable of, Adamquestor knew they were capable of (my education came from the two of you and my own life dealing with them daily) and I knew they were capable of, we could not say them out loud without being yelled at by most in our camp.

And now it is too late, in some respects. My fear isnt around the individual pockets of violence from punks like rittenhouse, it is that I am certain, to the point that I bet money on it, the GOP will refuse to certify or count votes when they are losing. And what happens next normally would be courts and HONEST judges, but I dont see that happening, I see violence. Hope I am wrong.

You are used to being targeted by the VILE people out there and ON THIS board because of your skin color or who you choose to love. And just that comment alone is proof of EVERYTHING you have said about white cons.
Yes the whole point of Jan 6 was because not enough Republicans were extremist enough. Then they run around with the Confederate flag, complaining about how things are so unfair to them, so let's hang one of our own, Mike Pence.

It's not exactly that I personally have gotten used to these white conservative racist's behavior. It's that they have been doing this same thing over and over and over and over again, literally for hundreds of years.
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Maxine Waters :lol:
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:56 pm Unless if course it is a liberal Democrat threatening to take out trump tonight.
Source?
In that case you are fine with violent rhetoric.
Link?

Btw did you write a letter to Maxine Waters strongly condemning her words
:? my rep is Nancy Pelosi.

Your rep voted against the censure of a known white nationalist who threatened a Puerto Rican fellow representative. Have you written in to that person to protest their vote?
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Libertas wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:07 pm Maxine Waters :lol:
al sharpton jesse jackson obama is a muslim maxine waters is dumb joe biden is senile chicago socialism marxism communism
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:04 am But I am fresh out of rocks. :)
:lol:

As I said in another thread, "together we stand divided we fall."

If you are tired of being called out as I am, back me on my stand, and I will back you.

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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:19 pm For the record, Glennfs is too dishonest to answer on his own.
That's another call out Carmen, a personal attack on Glenn.

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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:23 pm :lol:

As I said in another thread, "together we stand divided we fall."

If you are tired of being called out as I am, back me on my stand, and I will back you.

:)
^conservative white males united in white-supremacist physical violence.

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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:27 pm That's another call out Carmen, a personal attack on Glenn.
When you start calling out your WS friend's personal attacks on me and others here, I'll stop laffing @ your white-conservative paranoia.
:ignoring you:
:lol: how many times have you said this in the past two days.

Like rainwater, JoeMemphis, Bluedogdem and the rest of your conservative and moderate-sycophant friends purporting to ignore me, you're not ignoring me either.

You're just gaslighting yourself, again.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:42 am You’re the one running around calling people racist, so looks like that’s your own blinkered, paranoid definition.
No, his statement is quite in line with my experience of your behavior towards me. We occasionally disagree on things and when we do you call me all sorts of things which imply that I'm a racist. Things like I'm a "water carrier for noose knoters."

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As a personal attack that one was a dilly.
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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:33 pm No, his statement is quite in line with my experience of your behavior towards me. We occasionally disagree on things and when we do you call me all sorts of things which imply that I'm a racist. Things like I'm a "water carrier for noose knoters."

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As a personal attack that one was a dilly.
The irony of this post lies in your passionate defense of a noose-knotter.

You sound even louder than Queenie in Gone With The Wind.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:36 pm The irony of this post lies in your passionate defense of a noose-knotter.

You sound even louder than Queenie in Gone With The Wind.
Who is the noose knotter that I have defended?

It's not the Rittenhouse kid, there I am simply stating that I have not seen what the jury saw and therefore I cannot determine his guilt or innocence on my own. The jury defined his innocence and that is the way things are.

It's OK if you want to change the way things are, i might even like to help you change the way things are. If you weren't so busy attacking my person you might find that there is much that we do agree upon.

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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:51 pm Who is the noose knotter that I have defended?
You'll defend any noose knotter if you think it can get you a couple more crumbs from massa's table.
It's OK if you want to change the way things are, ...
:? wow after an entire 20th century Civil Rights movement and 5 personal years of this, you still don't understand it. :?

No one needs MLK white moderate validation or buy-in for social change.

That was the point of him calling out your progenitors in 1963.

We don't need you.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:56 pm You'll defend any noose knotter if you think it can get you a couple more crumbs from massa's table.



:? wow after an entire 20th century Civil Rights movement and 5 personal years of this, you still don't understand it. :?

No one needs MLK white moderate validation or buy-in for social change.

That was the point of him calling out your progenitors in 1963.

We don't need you.
"Massa's table," don't be silly.

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What personal five years of this? I don't understand that at all.

We??? Is there a mouse in your pocket?
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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:04 pm "Massa's table," don't be silly.

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What personal five years of this? I don't understand that at all.

We??? Is there a mouse in your pocket?
Repeating, since you chose to skip over it.

Nobody needs white-moderate buy-in for social change. You guys are proud impediments to social change, and you think it's a funny joke, since it doesn't affect you.

Then you throw in for conservatism and individual conservatives, then demand to be seen as fellows.

You're turncoats, not fellows.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:08 pm Repeating, since you chose to skip over it.

Nobody needs white-moderate buy-in for social change. You guys are proud impediments to social change, and you think it's a funny joke, since it doesn't affect you.

Then you throw in for conservatism and individual conservatives, then demand to be seen as fellows.

You're turncoats, not fellows.
You have a major problem with that ad hominem stuff.

That litany sounds like it could be at the center of a preachy church sermon.

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Guy who calls me a bitch and an idiot sez...
sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:19 pm You have a major problem with that ad hominem stuff.
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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:27 pm That's another call out Carmen, a personal attack on Glenn.

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:ignoring you:
Not a call out. Carmen was stating fact
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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:23 pm :lol:

As I said in another thread, "together we stand divided we fall."

If you are tired of being called out as I am, back me on my stand, and I will back you.

:)
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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:19 pm You have a major problem with that ad hominem stuff.

That litany sounds like it could be at the center of a preachy church sermon.

:|
You sure keep casting stones about shit you do all the time yourself. But you have one set of rule for yourself, another set for everyone else.

Hypocrite.
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sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:51 pm It's not the Rittenhouse kid, there I am simply stating that I have not seen what the jury saw and therefore I cannot determine his guilt or innocence on my own. The jury defined his innocence and that is the way things are.
While I agree the jury did and probably always will see information not known to the public, even if the entire trial was televised (and this one was not ... maybe on CourtTV?) ... looking at many verdicts throughout history, this does not lead me to believe they reached the questionable verdict they did because they responded to better information. It does not seem one should sit passively and just assume the jury reached the best decision. The law says you have to respect their decision ... not assume it was the correct one.

I understand I haven't seen everything. A certain green grassed fellow felt I should never serve on a jury. (He was too late). I look at what I know, and I don't get it. Two people tried to disarm someone who was in a volatile and dangerous situation where he didn't belong. Was it self defense? Maybe Rosenbaum threatened him earlier in the night. I simply asked if they were independent witnesses to that claim. Maybe he had mental health issues. From what I understand, he threw a bag of toiletries and reached for Rittenhouse's gun. Did that represent a serious threat to life or bodily harm? Yes, I get it, perhaps once Rosenbaum had the gun, he could kill him with it, but then he also could try and break it in half. It's a hypothetical risk.

I'll skip over Grosskreutz. Unfortunately, he's the only living witness/victim, and I will use that word however the Judge felt about it. He says he didn't mean to point his pistol at Rittenhouse; but he did. That could definitely be seen as a lethal threat.

Huber tried to disarm him. I understand in the process of trying to disarm him, he hit him with a skateboard. I guess a skateboard could cause a severe cranial injury ... but ... looks to me that Huber hit him with the skateboard, because, frequently in mass shooter incidents, it sometimes does require some additional force to stun the person in order to get the gun away from them. He was not trying to cause Rittenhouse death or severe injury, he was using force to try and get the gun away. Could he have killed Rittenhouse with the gun? Again ... theoretically ...

Grosskreutz might meet the criteria of self defense.

Rosenbaum and Huber, I just don't see it. And yes, I get two other things, the reasonable doubt standard, and that the prosecution can - and did - do a lousy job. Still, I calls them as I sees 'em. I don't think he should have walked. I also wouldn't have charged him with pre-meditated 1st degree murder, either. He sure as f should not be a congressional intern. And I think the Judge was not a very good arbiter of neutrality, seemed very actively hostile to the prosecution.

Do the people in Kenosha (or anywhere else) have the right to peacefully protest? Yes. And I hope no 17 year old kid shows up to THOSE with an AR-15, thinking that will make the situation better. I do not think vigilantism should be encouraged. We don't need Watchmen or self-appointed Zimmermans.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:29 pm Guy who calls me a bitch and an idiot sez...
And race troll.

But I guess that is not ad hominem. Can't see why or how it isn't, but it's also inaccurate. Bearing in mind I'm not exactly sure what a "race troll" is. I'm guessing it's people who use race to troll others. I know you don't do that.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:29 pm Guy who calls me a bitch and an idiot sez...



Sit down, MLK white moderate.
He called you a bitch?

That would have gotten him removed from RRMB. Very rarely was anyone removed from that board, but that would have done it I think.

The conundrum is if you remove the people causing the most trouble, on purpose they are of course, you reduce conversation because us real patriots, us real liberals, us real progressives arent going to have much fun just talking to each other.

I am noticing the more CJ and Gounion and others destroy them in the debate, the angrier they get. They have no reason to be angry, they have a killer out there who just got off free to go and kill more, it is WE patriots who should be MAD!

What does it take to be a patriot? Just dont defend anyone related directly or indirectly to trump, dont VOTE for anyone directly or indirectly related to trump. Period.
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