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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:45 am Don’t insurrections usually have guns? I’d t think you need guns for riot.
How many guns did they have in the French Revolution?
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:45 am Don’t insurrections usually have guns? I’d t think you need guns for riot.
You would incorrect, turns several of Insurrectionists brought loaded firearms into the Capitol Building. Some Insurrectionists carried IEDs. Nor is an Insurrection defined by use of firearms. The clear intent of the Insurrectionists on 01-06 was install a dictator (The Traitor). They wanted to prevent the peaceful transfer of power our country is known for. One does not bring a Gallows to a riot.

Insurrectionists prowled the halls, looking Nancy Pelosi and were hunting down Mike Pence. Over 140+Law Enforcement Officers were injured.

You are very incorrect.
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There were guns and other weapons present. And bombs. The terrorists also knew which windows to access and the layout of the inside of the building. They knew exactly where Rep Clyburn's office was, for instance, even though it's unmarked.

Police were also told to stand down and leave them alone.

And BTW. During Boebert's "Thanksgiving" rally yesterday, she continued to push the Big Lie, and stated the election was rigged. She then stated Donald Trump was the real President and that Mar a Lago was the real White House. She's one of the lead seditionists who declared Jan 6 to be their 1776 and a historic day, and was also giving Nancy Pelosi's location away during the siege. And she gave tours the day before. Amazing she's still in congress. But she's the new GOP.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:37 am Key word being riot
No glen, he wasn't sentenced to probation for rioting, he was sentenced for "parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building." The word "riot" only appears because the author of the article called it a "riot."
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:45 am Don’t insurrections usually have guns? I’d t think you need guns for riot.
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Handguns, crowbars, Tasers and tomahawk axes: Dozens of Capitol rioters wielded "deadly or dangerous" weapons, prosecutors say
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-ri ... dangerous/

It's a good thing that all those "spontaneous" rioters who just suddenly lost control from Trump's powerful pheromones at the rally, were able to find all these dangerous weapons just lying around.

Ironies intended.

You can read about the guy who brought the stun gun and the zip ties. Of course, I'm sure that was all for self defense. :roll:

And yes, lots of stuff was turned into improvised weapons - my favorite was the guy who was beating cops over the head with a Blue Lives Matter flag, let alone the others assaulting folks in the Capitol with the American flag.

Once again, sheesh, this info is out there. :roll:

Oh and one more thing - two bombs were left at buildings that day and while we have not found the perp(s), bombs are most definitely weapons, and it would be hard to believe that was unconnected to anything else going on that day.
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As from the Associated Press Article. "U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols spared Jonathan Ace Sanders prison time after Sanders pleaded guilty this month to one count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. Three other charges were dropped as a result".

At no time does the judge use the word "Riot". The article may have, BUT NOT THE FUCKING JUDGE.

It was an insurrection.

Once again Glenn finds a story but does not read it. He liked the Headline, but ignored what the body of the article said. Nothing new there.
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There have been over 700 charged for January 6th. There are four with gun charges.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:34 am How many guns did they have in the French Revolution?
A lot. A whole lot. The storming of the Bastille was to get ammunition and powder for the guns.
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:17 pm There have been over 700 charged for January 6th. There are four with gun charges.
IED's were found. Police were beaten with flag poles, fire extinguishers and blunt objects.

Nice to see green is defending the violence.
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:58 pm As from the Associated Press Article. "U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols spared Jonathan Ace Sanders prison time after Sanders pleaded guilty this month to one count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. Three other charges were dropped as a result".

At no time does the judge use the word "Riot". The article may have, BUT NOT THE FUCKING JUDGE.

It was an insurrection.

Once again Glenn finds a story but does not read it. He liked the Headline, but ignored what the body of the article said. Nothing new there.
It it was an insurrection then why hasn't anyone been charged or convicted as such.....it was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say they were manipulated into rioting and that coercion was pre mediated by the rally organizers that would be hard to argue against
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:37 pmIt it was an insurrection
The Judge in this case did NOT use the word RIOT. You saw the headline and did not read the story.

Learn. To. Read. Before. Posting.

Weapons were used on Armed Police Officers, IED's were found. A Gallows was erected. It was NOT a riot.
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:39 pm You did not read the article did you Glenn, you just saw the headline and posted it.

Learn. To. Read. Before. Posting.
Again why hasn't anyone been charged with crimes related to an insurrection
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:45 pm Again why hasn't anyone been charged with crimes related to an insurrection
Again, why didn't you read the article Glenn. You are famous for seeing a headline, but reading the story, not so much.
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Wow, these AP News people apparently didn’t get the memo. They seem to think it was a riot.

“The former chief executive of a tech company in suburban Chicago who lost his job after he threw a chair inside the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot was sentenced Friday to 30 days imprisonment.

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols also ordered Bradley Rukstales, of Inverness, Illinois, to pay $500 in restitution, court records show.

Rukstales previously acknowledged he stormed the Capitol, threw a chair in the direction of police officers who had been forced to retreat from rioters, was nearby as a melee between officers and rioters broke out and had to be dragged away by officers after he refused to comply with attempts to get him up from the floor.

Though they said the officers weren’t in danger of being hit by the chair, prosecutors said Rukstales’ noncompliance added to the chaos in the Capitol

Rukstales was forced out as CEO of Cogensia and sold interests in the firm after his participation in the riot became known and the boards of directors for the firm’s clients were ready to cancel contracts.”

https://apnews.com/article/business-chi ... faf788e617

The terms riot or rioters is used like 11 times. No mention insurrection or insurrectionist.
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:58 pm As from the Associated Press Article. "U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols spared Jonathan Ace Sanders prison time after Sanders pleaded guilty this month to one count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. Three other charges were dropped as a result".

At no time does the judge use the word "Riot". The article may have, BUT NOT THE FUCKING JUDGE.

It was an insurrection.

Once again Glenn finds a story but does not read it. He liked the Headline, but ignored what the body of the article said. Nothing new there.
Did Judge Nichols call it an insurrection?
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ProfX wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:19 pm Handguns, crowbars, Tasers and tomahawk axes: Dozens of Capitol rioters wielded "deadly or dangerous" weapons, prosecutors say
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-ri ... dangerous/

It's a good thing that all those "spontaneous" rioters who just suddenly lost control from Trump's powerful pheromones at the rally, were able to find all these dangerous weapons just lying around.

Ironies intended.

You can read about the guy who brought the stun gun and the zip ties. Of course, I'm sure that was all for self defense. :roll:

And yes, lots of stuff was turned into improvised weapons - my favorite was the guy who was beating cops over the head with a Blue Lives Matter flag, let alone the others assaulting folks in the Capitol with the American flag.

Once again, sheesh, this info is out there. :roll:

Oh and one more thing - two bombs were left at buildings that day and while we have not found the perp(s), bombs are most definitely weapons, and it would be hard to believe that was unconnected to anything else going on that day.
And how they used plexiglass shields to ram security till they were tired and then rotated giving the shields to people who were rested.

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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:14 pm Did Judge Nichols call it an insurrection?
Read the damn article.
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:14 pm Did Judge Nichols call it an insurrection?
Keep defending the physical attacks upon the police, that is what all you Blue Lives Matter Cons do.
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Lemme guess, con giving cover to the fascists.
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Dunno, we seem to be getting lost on to me what is an unimportant semantic issue.

Call it a riot, call it an insurrection, call it a lollapalooza ... I dunno what you call it. Is it that important?

Insurrection is an extremely rare charge in American history. We can go into the reasons why, but ...

I just disagree with glenn's ongoing position that it involved no preplanning and all just erupted spontaneously, largely because there is a ton of contrary evidence to that view, and some of it I've posted.

Trump may have whipped up some in the crowd into a lather, but some showed up that day already ready for ... bear.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:20 pm Dunno, we seem to be getting lost on to me what is an unimportant semantic issue.

Call it a riot, call it an insurrection, call it a lollapalooza ... I dunno what you call it. Is it that important?

Insurrection is an extremely rare charge in American history. We can go into the reasons why, but ...

I just disagree with glenn's ongoing position that it involved no preplanning and all just erupted spontaneously, largely because there is a ton of contrary evidence to that view, and some of it I've posted.

Trump may have whipped up some in the crowd into a lather, but some showed up that day already ready for ... bear.
Good point.

Inescapable is the point of the attack that day was insurrection. Planned by trump's team, and so on, very clear that was the goal. And why the traitor did nothing to stop it.

But call it a picnic if you want, had it completed to it's desired and PLANNED end, trump would be our fascist leader now.

I understand why righty doesn't want us to say this, though.
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Glenn, Marindem, Bluedogdem, and X, guys the solution to your argument about that AP article and the term they used can be looked up in the AP book of style. Every large news publishing house maintains a book of style. Hot button issues surrounding the reporting they do are usually found there. I look up three or four of these a year.

I googled: AP Jan 6 book of style, it lead right to the specific policy statement which was issued by AP for their reporting on this topic. Here it is, they issued this guidance on the same day it happened, on Jan 6th:

How to describe the events at the U.S. Capitol
by John Daniszewski, Vice President for Standards on Jan. 6, 2021

https://www.apstylebook.com/blog_posts/17
Colleagues,

We are being questioned about the correct language to apply to the protesters backing President Donald Trump in Washington and the dramatic events taking place today at the U.S. Capitol.

AP style in the event of civil disturbances allows editors and journalists to choose the term that in their judgment best applies. So far, our main story has spoken of a “chaotic protest aimed at thwarting a peaceful transfer of power,” a “melee” and a “raucous, out-of-control scene.”

MOB, RIOT OR INSURRECTION OK: Considering that armed protesters broke into the building, overwhelmed Capitol police, interrupted the process of certifying Electoral College votes and forced the evacuation of the vice president of the United States and members of Congress, “protest” may be too mild a word for the action without surrounding it with strong adjectives and context, such as “violent protest” or “rioting protesters.” Calling it a “mob” or a “riot” would also be appropriate, especially when the protesters’ actions were wild, widespread, violent and uncontrolled. The term “insurrection,” meaning the act of rising up against established authority, could also be justified.

NOT A COUP: Some people and broadcasters are calling the protesters’ action a “coup” or a “coup attempt,” meaning a sudden, organized seizure of political power or an attempt by a faction or group to seize political power suddenly outside of the law. We may of course quote others alleging a coup or attempted coup, but so far AP has not seen conclusive evidence that the protesters’ specific aim was to take over the government, so at this stage we are avoiding the term in AP copy unless attributed.
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Jared Yates Sexton
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You know, these people aren’t lying or joking about supporting military coups or establishing theocratic regimes or being completely open to widespread violence.

It’s not just an act.

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Motor City wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:15 pm Poison suspected in death of injured bald eagle
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That is a really sad story, and unfortunately not an unusual story at all. Thousands of large birds die this way every year.

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People poison coyotes, dogs, bob cats and lions, but eagles, hawks, condors, buzzards and "murders" of corvids will eat the poisoned bait set out for the larger mammalian predators, and die from it too.
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