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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:22 pm 
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Again, the brilliance of Thomas Sowell is evident as he shines a light on the left's ridiculous views of "fairness".

The 'Fairness' Fraud by Thomas Sowell
"....The relevant question, however, is: How does allowing politicians to take more money in taxes from successful people, to squander in ways that will improve their own reelection prospects, make anything more "fair" for others?...."

"....While talk about "fairness" may provide a fig leaf to cover politicians' naked attempts to grab more and more of the nation's resources to spend, there is no assurance that raising tax rates on "the rich" will result in any more tax revenue for the government. High tax rates have too often simply caused wealthy people to put their money into tax-free securities or to send it overseas.

Four years ago, TV interviewer Charles Gibson pointed out to candidate Barack Obama that raising capital gains tax rates had on a number of occasions led to less capital gains tax revenue being collected -- and, conversely, lowering the capital gains tax rates had on other occasions increased the amount of capital gains revenue collected by the government. Obama readily admitted that. But he said that "fairness" justified a higher tax rate on "the rich." Yet how does a higher tax rate on paper, without a real increase in the amount of taxes actually collected, promote fairness?"
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomasso ... aud/page/2

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:39 pm 
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Again, the fact that you think this is "brilliant" speaks volumes of the lack of real intellectual discourse in this country.

This is tripe really.

The fact of the matter is that upward mobility in this country is not what it used to be. This is an empirically observable fact, not an opinion.

Now, for conservatives, who ALWAYS fall back to the "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" motto, this should be of concern. It should be of concern for ALL Americans. But look at a program like food stamps, which the right always wants to cut. Food stamps however, have PROVEN to be, time and time again, a net economic benefit. Unemployment gets the second most bang for the buck. And this is not the analysis of a left wing think tank, this is Mark Zandi from Moody's.

So we have two programs which provide net economic benefit to the poor and working class which the right wants to cut. Which means that they also want to cut out the economic benefits thereof.

And this is the right's notion of fairness?

Sowell drags out the "class warfare" line, which is no doubt what attracts Denny to this piece, as he himself trumpets that bullshit line whenever he can. But who is really waging the class warfare here?

Is it class warfare to return the tax rates on the top earners to the levels they were under President Clinton? Levels that are still well under historical highs, and at a time when government revenues are at historic lows and concentration of wealth is at a historic high.

That's class warfare?

As opposed to trying to gut two programs for the poor and working class that have PROVEN NET ECONOMIC BENEFITS? That's not class warfare? That's not the rich and powered elite in this country (IE all the millionaires in Congress) trying to make life harder for the lower classes? (edit to add:) And let's not forget, Romney wants to RAISE taxes on the lower and middle class.

Really, explain how that does not qualify as "class warfare," if you classify a 4% tax increase on the top earners as such.

The right wants to take away the safety net, even though food stamps and unemployment are a net economic gain and they want to raise taxes. Meanwhile, they attack unions, don't want to fund education, or give students a break.

And a 4% tax raise on the wealthiest earners is "class warfare?"

Finally, one notes the irony that Denny chose to post this under "political cartoons." It's got about as much depth as a political cartoon, and certainly less wit. But I guess since Sowell's analysis is a joke, it belongs here.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:31 am 
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Again, the fact that you think this is "brilliant" speaks volumes of the lack of real intellectual discourse in this country.

This is tripe really.

The fact of the matter is that upward mobility in this country is not what it used to be. This is an empirically observable fact, not an opinion.

Now, for conservatives, who ALWAYS fall back to the "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" motto, this should be of concern. It should be of concern for ALL Americans. But look at a program like food stamps, which the right always wants to cut. Food stamps however, have PROVEN to be, time and time again, a net economic benefit. Unemployment gets the second most bang for the buck. And this is not the analysis of a left wing think tank, this is Mark Zandi from Moody's.

So we have two programs which provide net economic benefit to the poor and working class which the right wants to cut. Which means that they also want to cut out the economic benefits thereof.

And this is the right's notion of fairness?

Sowell drags out the "class warfare" line, which is no doubt what attracts Denny to this piece, as he himself trumpets that bullshit line whenever he can. But who is really waging the class warfare here?

Is it class warfare to return the tax rates on the top earners to the levels they were under President Clinton? Levels that are still well under historical highs, and at a time when government revenues are at historic lows and concentration of wealth is at a historic high.

That's class warfare?

As opposed to trying to gut two programs for the poor and working class that have PROVEN NET ECONOMIC BENEFITS? That's not class warfare? That's not the rich and powered elite in this country (IE all the millionaires in Congress) trying to make life harder for the lower classes? (edit to add:) And let's not forget, Romney wants to RAISE taxes on the lower and middle class.

Really, explain how that does not qualify as "class warfare," if you classify a 4% tax increase on the top earners as such.

The right wants to take away the safety net, even though food stamps and unemployment are a net economic gain and they want to raise taxes. Meanwhile, they attack unions, don't want to fund education, or give students a break.

And a 4% tax raise on the wealthiest earners is "class warfare?"

Finally, one notes the irony that Denny chose to post this under "political cartoons." It's got about as much depth as a political cartoon, and certainly less wit. But I guess since Sowell's analysis is a joke, it belongs here.

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spot on jlee.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:49 am 
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"fair" for others?...."

you mean, like, lying conning the country into war...

yes.
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spot on jlee.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:45 am 
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When taxes force people to skip the necessities, that's unfair. When taxes mean people enjoy fewer luxuries, that's fair. And taxation does not equate to squandering money; government is a necessary thing and someone has to pay for it.

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