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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:10 pm 
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She's never held office. Plus, she's not that "left".

There's a neofascist leading the country. Anybody would be better than him, but we don't have a choice between just anybody and him, somebody with actual governing experience is needed to cleain up the mess the R party and their confederate leader has gotten the country into.


experience is good but we sure dont need someone with political experience of getting gifts in exchange for acquiescing to make the mess worse and this early in the primary cutting out large chunks of the national conversation about what caused the mess and what ways we can clean it up rob the voters and muddy up the view. its unnecessary and really cynical punitive.

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experience is good but we sure dont need someone with political experience of getting gifts in exchange for acquiescing to make the mess worse and this early in the primary cutting out large chunks of the national conversation about what caused the mess and what ways we can clean it up rob the voters and muddy up the view. its unnecessary and really cynical punitive.

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Yeah but this is the same thing they said about Trump. And Perot, actually. I don't think it's being cynical to say somebody at the helm of this country should have governing experience. Especially since there are so many other candidates that do have it. Donald Trump is bad for this country in so many ways - social, fiscal/we're on the verge of another recession, domestic, foreign policy but so much of it is because he's got zero governing experience.

He's deluded enough to think you can run a country like you can a failing business, but that's not a problem Marianne has, I'll grant her that.

I mean, I know Sam disagrees with me but when Kamala threw her hat in the ring I was like... Kamala.....but you just got there. Kick the tires, take it for a spin around the block. Then run. But it's fine - being DA of SF and AG of CA and a couple years in the Senate is WAY more than the incumbent...

That said, IDK, do you like Marianne because you think she would make a good president or because you like the energy and ideas she brings to the race?

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Yeah but this is the same thing they said about Trump. And Perot, actually. I don't think it's being cynical to say somebody at the helm of this country should have governing experience. Especially since there are so many other candidates that do have it. Donald Trump is bad for this country in so many ways - social, fiscal/we're on the verge of another recession, domestic, foreign policy but so much of it is because he's got zero governing experience.

He's deluded enough to think you can run a country like you can a failing business, but that's not a problem Marianne has, I'll grant her that.

I mean, I know Sam disagrees with me but when Kamala threw her hat in the ring I was like... Kamala.....but you just got there. Kick the tires, take it for a spin around the block. Then run. But it's fine - being DA of SF and AG of CA and a couple years in the Senate is WAY more than the incumbent...

That said, IDK, do you like Marianne because you think she would make a good president or because you like the energy and ideas she brings to the race?


well I dont know yet its so early in the primaries I do like her Ideas and depth I would definately like to hear her out.

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well I dont know yet its so early in the primaries I do like her Ideas and depth I would definately like to hear her out.


Yes you're right, we still have more than a year of this to go. :problem:

Anything can happen, but do you see her as being POTUS?

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Yes you're right, we still have more than a year of this to go. :problem:

Anything can happen, but do you see her as being POTUS?


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Marianne? Please tell me nobody is considering her as anything other than NOT prez material

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She has as much actual chance as Andrew Yang, which is none. Same thing is true of Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer.

None of that bothers me terribly, of course. I like some of what Yang is saying but he never had a shot.

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She has as much actual chance as Andrew Yang, which is none. Same thing is true of Tulsi Gabbard and Tom Steyer.

None of that bothers me terribly, of course. I like some of what Yang is saying but he never had a shot.


Huh. Welllllll not so fast, looks like. He's out-polling Harris in CA.

The Washington Examiner is utterly breathless about it, but

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article ... 447245.php

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https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1174105984727429120

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Labor unions have been under attack for 40 years, increasing the wealth gap & adding to widespread economic anxiety for millions of Americans. The tide must turn! Great admiration for the striking GM workers. I know it’s tough but you’re right to do it. So many of us are with you

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Bill deBlasio is out of the running, his campaign and all the major screech boxes, announcing.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio drops 2020 bid
De Blasio’s bid — launched in May — ultimately lasted just over four months and was largely mocked for most of its short life.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... d-n1056791

Yeah, I know, you were saying to yourself, "He was in?" :twisted:

Bill, I sure as hell would have taken you over Mike Bloombnuts in a New York minute, but it looked like from day one you didn't even have the backing of your own city.

Yeah, maybe you could have handled certain things (*Garner* *cough*) better, I liked the stuff you were saying, but your "lane" (progressives) seemed swallowed up by Sanders and Warren.

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It's the right move his chances to win nomination wasn't close.


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This is huge for NY

The Power of the Pen: S.6532A/A.8228B Signed in New York

Governor Andrew Cuomo today signed legislation (S.6532A/A.8228B) expediting party enrollment changes to make it easier for voters to participate in the upcoming primary elections. Until now, changes to party enrollment did not take effect until after the November general election, requiring voters to wait as long as a year for changes to take effect. The new law will remove the October 11 deadline and give voters until February 14 to make changes to party enrollment and still vote in the April presidential and June congressional and state primaries. The change will go into effect immediately.

"While the federal administration continues to look for new ways to disenfranchise voters across the country, in New York we are making monumental changes to break down more barriers to the ballot box and encourage more people to exercise this fundamental right," Governor Cuomo said. "This measure will make it easier for New Yorkers to have their voices heard in presidential, congressional and state primaries, which builds upon the many reforms we've made to strengthen New York's election system and increase voter access once and for all."

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Bill deBlasio is out of the running, his campaign and all the major screech boxes, announcing.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio drops 2020 bid
De Blasio’s bid — launched in May — ultimately lasted just over four months and was largely mocked for most of its short life.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... d-n1056791

Yeah, I know, you were saying to yourself, "He was in?" :twisted:

Bill, I sure as hell would have taken you over Mike Bloombnuts in a New York minute, but it looked like from day one you didn't even have the backing of your own city.

Yeah, maybe you could have handled certain things (*Garner* *cough*) better, I liked the stuff you were saying, but your "lane" (progressives) seemed swallowed up by Sanders and Warren.

Better luck next time.


I don't know if it just me but when I see the word mayor at first glance I think of a female horse, then when the surrounding words don't fit with the concept of a female horse I go back and take a second glace at that word.

Then I think, "Oh' it's about one of them."

That should illustrate the up hill battle one of them would have trying to become President right out of the box.


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DNC Cuts October Debate To One Night With 12 Candidates

Talk about going from bad to worse, or perhaps bad, to better, to worse, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) has announced that the upcoming fourth Democratic debate, which will air on CNN from Ohio, will take place on one night. This decision is a change from previous guidelines which said that if more than 10 candidates qualify, the event would be split over two nights.

For audiences already irritated with 10 candidates on stage, you’ll now get the pleasure of 12 candidates on stage talking over each other in October.

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It's the September group of 10 plus Tom Steyer and Tulsi Gabbard for October's matchup.

Those +2 will be gone, and possibly more, by December. You heard it from me, first. :D

I love Tom Steyer's push for impeachment ... he seems to finally be getting what he wanted ... do I want HIM as POTUS? No.

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Bernie Sanders hospitalized with chest pain, campaign events canceled

Sen. Bernie Sanders, 78, was hospitalized in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"During a campaign event yesterday evening, Sen. Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted. Sen. Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days," said Sanders’ senior adviser Jeff Weaver on Wednesday in a statement. "We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.”

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Bernie, just cuz they have those super cheap buffets in Vegas, doesn't mean you have to vacuum down all the prime rib. :D

I kid, I kid. Get better.

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Bernie, just cuz they have those super cheap buffets in Vegas, doesn't mean you have to vacuum down all the prime rib. :D

I kid, I kid. Get better.


Of course get better, as hard as I have been on him, he doesnt deserve death. Some do, some traitors, but that is a different convo.

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Another Corporate Capitalist just what we don't want No.

Oprah Winfrey, Jennifer Garner push for Bob Iger presidential run

Bob Iger may not be running for president, but the Disney boss appears to have major support in Hollywood should he decide to join the race.

“Mr. Iger is everything you could want in a leader,” Jennifer Garner told Variety Wednesday at the Save the Children Centennial Celebration: Once in a Lifetime gala in Los Angeles. “I dare to say he is presidential. He’s dignified, he’s a risk-taker, he is down to earth, he is wise, and he has integrity. I would hand him any job I possibly could.”

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Corporate capitalist?

We are a capitalist system, and while I am very much for far more democratic socialism, surely more than anyone on this board (ask me if you want to know) does not change what we are.

Now I dont want this guy either, but this tainting you and others do spills over to mainstream democrats who if they ever took money from a corp, they are bad. They ALL have including Bernie.

This kind of talk ONLY helps the right, ALWAYS!

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Disney already controls too much of the media world. I say that as a huge fan of Marvel/MCU and Star Wars, but especially in the latter case, there are many folks who don't like what Disney has done to the last part of the 7-9 trilogy ... particularly George Lucas :mrgreen: ... I'm already starting to get a queasy feeling about the end of the so-called Skywalker Saga later this year but maybe even more about what they're planning to do next ... but I digress. :D

I have a number of books and articles that basically complain about what some call the Disneyfication of our culture. It's sort of related to that other phenomenon we call McDonaldization. (Also sometimes called Disneyization, see the second link.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyfication
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.111 ... 954X.00161

They already have too much power - nationally, and globally - I'm talking about culturally. As part of the media ecosystem, too. The impact they are having - civilizationally, on the planet - see Euro Disney, Disney Tokyo.

No, I do not want their CEO as president, however much he is a nice guy. The damage they have already done is enough.

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Well, it's all so nonsensical I'm not bothering to link to any of the nonsense "stories" but anyway ...

Today, Jacob "TrollMaster" Wohl and his pal had a "press conference" (that must be what they call it when the one DeadBart reporter who cares about their BS actually shows up) to claim Elizabeth Warren was having an affair with a 24 year old Marine.

Elizabeth trolled them back by posting a picture to her social media of the U of Houston Cougars ... mrrrrowr. :mrgreen:

I mean, if that was true, well, they say she is really active for her age. :D

Since she's been gaining in the polls, the trolling tactics have grown ... including the Trumpist morons who were chanting "Pocohontas" at her the other day in the airport. :roll:

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Well, it's all so nonsensical I'm not bothering to link to any of the nonsense "stories" but anyway ...

Today, Jacob "TrollMaster" Wohl and his pal had a "press conference" (that must be what they call it when the one DeadBart reporter who cares about their BS actually shows up) to claim Elizabeth Warren was having an affair with a 24 year old Marine.

Elizabeth trolled them back by posting a picture to her social media of the U of Houston Cougars ... mrrrrowr. :mrgreen:

I mean, if that was true, well, they say she is really active for her age. :D

Since she's been gaining in the polls, the trolling tactics have grown ... including the Trumpist morons who were chanting "Pocohontas" at her the other day in the airport. :roll:


Lol smh

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Jacob Wohl's "Marine' lied about combat service, and has a history of scams.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jacob-woh ... ice-record

Troll harder, Jacob.

And now back to Tulsi Gabbard and Chris Butler.

Islamophobic World View of Tulsi Gabbard's Guru Revealed in Unearthed Recordings – Can she Still Run for President?
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/10/03/isla ... president/

Questions about Tulsi Gabbard and her family’s ties to Chris Butler, a self-styled guru and founder of an offshoot organisation of the Hare Krishna movement called The Science of Identity, have dogged the 2020 Democratic Party presidential candidate since the moment she ran for a seat in Hawaii’s state house aged 21 in 2002.

Whereas the now 38-year-old has dodged and deflected the influence and role Butler and his sect have played in shaping her views in the past, she has become more forthright about her association and involvement with him in recent times, telling The New Yorker in 2017 that Butler had shaped her Hindu identity. She expressed her “gratitude to him for the gift of this wonderful spiritual practice that he has given to me”, adding that she had never heard him say an unkind thing.

This is a curious claim given Butler’s attitude towards homosexuality is well-documented, including accounts of him routinely describing gay people as “faggots” and “demonic” – views that have also been expressed by Gabbard publicly in the past, including the time she accused The Honolulu newspaper of “acting as a conduit for the homosexual extremist supporters” of her father’s political opponents on the council of the Wai’anae-to-Ewa district in 2004.

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However, she must answer further questions about her ties to Butler now that a source close to Science of Identity has leaked to me previously unheard audio recordings of her guru describing Muslims in the most viciously racist ways imaginable, alongside what appears to be a 2018 video of Gabbard attending a ceremony in which she and other attendees are seen giving praise to an altar carrying a framed photo of Butler.

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While much of the content deals with Hinduism, Hare Krishna beliefs in general, and the virtues of sexual and moral purity, Butler’s lectures are laced throughout with what can only be described as extreme hostility towards both Muslims and homosexuals.

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Gabbard must now not only answer questions about her ties to Butler and the Science of Identity, but also those that ask how deeply entrenched the sect is embedded within her 2020 presidential campaign.

Christine Gralow, a journalist who has contributed to The New York Times, has tracked the relationships and influence of known Science of Identity members since becoming a resident of Hawaii. At considerable risk to her life, Gralow has posted a great many of her investigative insights into the sect on her community-based website MeanwhileInHawaii.org.

“Nearly her entire inner circle of her campaign are Chris Butler followers,” Gralow told me. “Her sister, parents, husband, and chief of staff are all active members of the Science of Identity.”

A former campaign assistant to Gabbard, who agreed to speak to me on the condition of anonymity, affirmed this. “The cult completely runs her campaign, from members of her family to people who have worked in her or her father’s office, to people who work in cult front business operations who are now on her campaign team,” they said. “The cult has sent members to the primary state locations in New Hampshire and Iowa because they will work for free. People who are not American citizens are actively working on her campaign.”

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In a 2018 video sent to me by Gralow, Gabbard can be seen wearing a black top as she stands next to a white awning pole and in front of what appears to be a candlelit altar that carries a framed photograph of Butler, while a band – whose drummer is Gabbard’s husband Abraham Williams – plays a tune from the other side of the property’s pool. The attendees, including Gabbard, can be seen queuing up as they wait their turn to pay homage or lay a wreath of flowers in honour or worship of Butler.

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Science of Identity is a Hare Krishna offshoot. No, I am not attacking her Hinduism. But I am attacking her connections to a phobic cult and its sick guru.

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