YANO Centrist Third Party

[ProfX]

Looks like some people's prayers have been answered.

Centrists to launch Forward, new third US political party
Dozens of former Democrats and Republicans to form new party in bid to appeal to voters unhappy with America’s two-party system
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ical-party

Dozens of former Republican and Democratic officials will announce a new national political third party to appeal to millions of voters they say are dismayed with what they see as America’s dysfunctional two-party system.

The new party, called Forward, will initially be co-chaired by former Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang and Christine Todd Whitman, the former Republican governor of New Jersey.

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The merger involves the Renew America Movement, formed in 2021 by dozens of former officials in the Republican administrations of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, George W Bush and Donald Trump; the Forward party, founded by Yang, who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020 but left the party in 2021 and became an independent; and the Serve America Movement, a group of Democrats, Republicans and independents founded by former Republican congressman David Jolly.

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The party, which is centrist, has no specific policies yet. It will say at its Thursday launch: “How will we solve the big issues facing America? Not Left. Not Right. Forward.”

Historically, third parties have failed to thrive in America’s two-party system. Occasionally they can impact a presidential election. Analysts say the Green party’s Ralph Nader siphoned off enough votes from Al Gore in 2000 to help George W Bush win the White House.

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Forward aims to gain party registration and ballot access in 30 states by the end of 2023 and in all 50 states by late 2024, in time for the 2024 presidential and congressional elections.

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Another person involved in the creation of Forward, Miles Taylor – a former Homeland Security official in the Trump administration – said the idea was to give voters “a viable, credible national third party”. (my note: aka "Anonymous" in Trumplandia)

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Rothenberg pointed out that third party presidential candidates like John Anderson in 1980 and Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996 flamed out, failing to build a true third party that became a factor in national politics.

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So, let me just say I liked one aspect of Yang, which is at least he put AI and its effects, and regulation of the tech sector, square in his political agenda, but I never voted for him in the primaries.

And hello "Anonymous," you did an awesome job keeping Trump on rails, a simply bang up job keeping him under control from your anonymous perch in the lower admin bureaucracy , so again let me tell you how excited I am to see you behind this effort.

Now. This has all been done before. As Rothenberg noted, most notably the Reform Party of Ross Perot. Anybody remember that? Still going strong today! (Ummm ... not. Especially after Pat "America First first" Buchanan took it over.)

Here comes my usual spiel on American third parties. You know we already have plenty? The two biggest are the Greens, and the Libertarians. Also the Constitution Party and the Socialist Party. Not any that are specifically and explicitly centrist. But they all face the same problems. There is a reason why they have never, ever won a seat in Congress or any federal elections. We have a system of voting, plurality voting, that guarantees they pretty much can never win. Now, I'm not saying I haven't seen a Green or two with very interesting things to say, but they tend to nominate a lot of useless dorks for the presidency (most notably, recently, Roseanne Barr, who seems to have lost her mind.)

Look. This rhetoric is old and tired. Politics is a Cartesian plane, not a line . So they are going to be a centrist party. Grand? They have zero policies, and a lot of slogans. What are they going to DO on the issues of the day? Stay tuned, they're gonna get around to a platform. Personally, this is what really bothers me about centrism as a political ideology. I believe in compromise. But the claim that there are two sides to every issue, with both sides having equal validity, that happens to be nonsense. "Some people say" climate change is real, Trump said it was a Chinese hoax, these two points of view are not equally valid, nor do we have to find something in the middle of them.

[ZoWie]

Agreed that the whole centrist third party idea is a load of the familiar smelly material. Worse, with the media grab and calculated agitprop being at the core of current US politics, standing for compromise and/or reconciliation is, unfortunately, not very grabby.

[Drak]

Just in time to split votes away from Dems during one of the most important election years in history. That’s the point. Yang is very obviously doing the Jill Stein. Dark money involved, IMO.

[Libertas]

Just in time to split votes away from Dems during one of the most important election years in history. That’s the point. Yang is very obviously doing the Jill Stein. Dark money involved, IMO.

Russia is doing this.

They have idiot accomplices like Yang, personally votes arent gonna matter after the SC does the NC case, but still...

[Number6]

With the way republicans and Democrats are antagonistic towards each other today, those former republicans and Democrats will get along for a short while and then ideological differences will divide them. It's hard for people to give up their lifelong political beliefs and adopt another political belief. IMO, this can be seen with people who left their political party and registered as Independents but they still vote as if they're still with their old political party.

I give this new party about as much chance of being around in 2024 as an ice cube on a Phoenix sidewalk in August.

[Libertas]

With the way republicans and Democrats are antagonistic towards each other today, those former republicans and Democrats will get along for a short while and then ideological differences will divide them. It's hard for people to give up their lifelong political beliefs and adopt another political belief. IMO, this can be seen with people who left their political party and registered as Independents but they still vote as if they're still with their old political party.

I give this new party about as much chance of being around in 2024 as an ice cube on a Phoenix sidewalk in August.

Didnt take much for Stein to purposely get trump elected, wont take much with this group next time.

[carmenjonze]

[Libertas]

People like Stein and others who do this they know they can’t win and they know they will help the Republicans.

Kind of weird when you think about it, what they all allegedly have in common is they think corporations and rich people have too much, yet everything they do feeds their support.

[carmenjonze]

People like Stein and others who do this they know they can’t win and they know they will help the Republicans.

Kind of weird when you think about it, what they all allegedly have in common is they think corporations and rich people have too much, yet everything they do feeds their support.

Horseshoe elitism is trash.

These multimillionaire A-listers remind me of Fidel and his stupid Rolexes while people in the countryside that the revolution was supposed to help, continued to starve.

[ZoWie]

What interests me about this phenomenon is the rarity of someone splitting the Republicans. I guess Ross Perot did, but that's a long time ago and I don't remember if it really mattered.

I guess it's a sign of the times that right now the split seems to be about establishing a center, not running away from the existing one. That's a new one on me. Must be the Internet. Everyone's grouped off, following thousands of weird podcasts. All of them look like the truth, and none of them really are.

Mostly, looking at all these, I'm struck by the number of RE20 broadcast spec mikes that this phenomenon has sold. That's a frickin $500 mike. Electro-Voice must be making out better than Apple. Everyone looks credible behind one of those things. Too bad they can't put in BS detection software.

[carmenjonze]

What interests me about this phenomenon is the rarity of someone splitting the Republicans. I guess Ross Perot did, but that's a long time ago and I don't remember if it really mattered.

I guess it's a sign of the times that right now the split seems to be about establishing a center, not running away from the existing one. That's a new one on me. Must be the Internet. Everyone's grouped off, following thousands of weird podcasts. All of them look like the truth, and none of them really are.

Mostly, looking at all these, I'm struck by the number of RE20 broadcast spec mikes that this phenomenon has sold. That's a frickin $500 mike. Electro-Voice must be making out better than Apple. Everyone looks credible behind one of those things. Too bad they can't put in BS detection software.

I see a lot of RE20s, though followed by the Shure SM7b.

Warmmmmm...

[Number6]

What interests me about this phenomenon is the rarity of someone splitting the Republicans. I guess Ross Perot did, but that's a long time ago and I don't remember if it really mattered.

I guess it's a sign of the times that right now the split seems to be about establishing a center, not running away from the existing one. That's a new one on me. Must be the Internet. Everyone's grouped off, following thousands of weird podcasts. All of them look like the truth, and none of them really are.

Mostly, looking at all these, I'm struck by the number of RE20 broadcast spec mikes that this phenomenon has sold. That's a frickin $500 mike. Electro-Voice must be making out better than Apple. Everyone looks credible behind one of those things. Too bad they can't put in BS detection software.

I think people splitting with the republicans has more to do with not wanting to be identified with the current republican party but still identify as Regan republicans. Most of them will vote for the MAGA republicans because it's hard to break a lifetime habit of not voting for Democrats.

[Drak]

I see a lot of RE20s, though followed by the Shure SM7b.

Warmmmmm...

I'm weirded out that you guys are talking microphones! That's part of my thing I've got a SM7B. Always seemed the Shure stuff was better priced this side of the pond, whereas the RE20s are cheaper than the SM7B in Europe and more readily available there. At least, that's how it used to be.

[ZoWie]

I did sound on a couple of non-theatrical movies. Picking up dialog with the shotgun mikes they all use there is a real art. Get a few degrees off, you lose the top end.

Actually, right now, audio interests me more than what passes for politics among the Great Unwashed.

[bird]

I think people splitting with the republicans has more to do with not wanting to be identified with the current republican party but still identify as Regan republicans. Most of them will vote for the MAGA republicans because it's hard to break a lifetime habit of not voting for Democrats.

Reagan Republicans? Like that is a good thing?

Yeesh.

[carmenjonze]

Not much difference between States Rights Democratic Party Republicans, Law and Order Republicans, Silent Majority Republicans, Southern Strategy Republicans, Reagan Republicans, Bush Republicans, MAGA Republicans, Bircher Republicans, Free Dumb Caucus Republicans, and Jan. 6th Republicans.

I get that we're supposed to heroize Kinsinger and Cheney right now, but their policies are Republican policies and are, by default, trash.

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Rep. Liz Cheney
@RepLizCheney
I have always been strongly pro-life. Today’s ruling by the Supreme Court returns power to the states and the people of the states to address the issue of abortion under state law.

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Okay well, f. you, Liz.

[Libertas]

Not much difference between States Rights Democratic Party Republicans, Law and Order Republicans, Silent Majority Republicans, Southern Strategy Republicans, Reagan Republicans, Bush Republicans, MAGA Republicans, Bircher Republicans, Free Dumb Caucus Republicans, and Jan. 6th Republicans.

I get that we're supposed to heroize Kinsinger and Cheney right now, but their policies are Republican policies and are, by default, trash.

__________

Rep. Liz Cheney
@RepLizCheney
I have always been strongly pro-life. Today’s ruling by the Supreme Court returns power to the states and the people of the states to address the issue of abortion under state law.

__________

Okay well, f. you, Liz.

There is not a single policy position Liz disagrees with MAGA on, I dont say trump because trump has no positions and doesnt understand any issue. But the MAGA world like Bannon for instance, they want to all but eliminate the govt, so does she except when it comes to legislating bigotry and control.

[Number6]

Reagan Republicans? Like that is a good thing?

Yeesh.

No, it's not but it's better than being a MAGA republican. The republicans who've left the party think Reagan is the model for republicans but the model they should be following is Eisenhower. The republican party went from being a conservative party to a radical conservative party under Reagan and then went to a Christian-fascistic party under TFG.

[Libertas]

No, it's not but it's better than being a MAGA republican. The republicans who've left the party think Reagan is the model for republicans but the model they should be following is Eisenhower. The republican party went from being a conservative party to a radical conservative party under Reagan and then went to a Christian-fascistic party under TFG.

I agree, as bad as Raygun repubs are they are usually willing to put country first in situations like the one we are in now, Liz Cheney and Kinzinger are proof of that.

[ap215]

Yeah good luck with that. :problem: