Indicitment Countdown

[Glennfs]

You didn’t accept that his administration was spotless. You accused his AG of being corrupt, and covering up for Obama.

You just can’t accept the idea that Democrats can be honest. Look, you guys ALWAYS come up with crazy accusations that don’t hold any water at all, then scream when they aren’t taken seriously. Like Obama not being born in America. That’s what you did with Obama all the time. All the bullshit accusations that were just stupid.

Look, there were the accusations and the huge circus over BENGHAZI!!!

That was just stupid. It was the same kind of thing as the Marine Baracks in Lebanon during the Reagan Administration. In both cases we were caught with out pants down, and bad things happened. But no one in the Reagan era tried to say it was a big scandal. But they sure did during the Obama years, and they made fools of themselves in the hearings. But I’ll bet dollars to donuts that YOU believe there was a huge nefarious thing that Obama and Hillary Clinton covered up.

And it’s just stupid. But that’s where we are with you.

As long as you once again bring up Lebanon what is your opinion of Waco.

Do you hold the Clinton administration to the same standard.

[gounion]

As long as you once again bring up Lebanon what is your opinion of Waco.

Do you hold the Clinton administration to the same standard.

You obviously don’t understand. I didn’t bring up Lebanon to say that Reagan rigged it. I said we were caught flat-footed. Reagan’s only problem is that he DARED our enemies to hit us. That cowboy bullshit works in movies, but not the real world. His bravado cost lives. But let’s be clear: that was NEVER Reagan’s plan, and he doesn’t have any further responsibility for what happened.

But you were on board with the Benghazi bullshit, weren’t you?

Waco, same thing. It wasn’t a planned thing, it was another disaster. Just like Lebanon and Benghazi. But you’ll be happy to politicize it, won’t you? Just another big Democratic conspiracy, right?

[gounion]

Interesting view of the Hunter case from Former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe: https://www.rawstory.com/biden-2661628802/

However, he added, "I think what we can say pretty confidently is there have been many indications this five-year investigation hasn't really been going anywhere. It started with pretty lofty directives of looking at influence-peddling."

"They were looking at bribery, corruption and really, really serious corrupt, bad stuff," agreed Burnett.

"Right," said McCabe. "So if this is, in fact, the only charges that the government can prove against Hunter Biden at this point, that tells you the investigation didn't really go anywhere. I should add these charges are pretty rare. We don't typically see people getting charged criminally for taxes they have actually already paid even if paid late. Those cases do not play well in front of juries because juries ask, quite rightly, why are the prosecutors wasting time prosecuting someone who's already paid their tax bill."

"It's possible if there's a double standard, it's actually a standard against him, to treat him with more rigor," Burnett suggested.

"Entirely possible," concurred McCabe. "In fact, on the firearms charge, there's not too many hard scientifics on statistics on this, but in 2017 there were 478 referrals made about people who lied on the firearms form and less than 300 cases were filed out of 25 million gun sales. That's exceedingly rare. To be charged for that, if anything, they may have been leaning pretty far forward."

Great point that a jury likely wouldn’t convict someone who paid the late tax bill. I mean, isn’t the GOP the ones complaining about an overly aggressive IRS? Double standards much?

[JoeMemphis]

[bold]Chuckle. Here's the defense's argument........"I needed time to separate my golf paraphilia from the unimportant top secret nuke plans".

I dunno what the defense will argue. Neither do you. Chuckle all you want but we don’t send people to jail in this country on the word of the prosecution alone.

But I don’t pronounce Dems guilty based on what’s been reported and I don’t do it for Republicans either. Folks on this board who have done that in the past have eaten a lot more crow than I have.

[JoeMemphis]

You didn’t accept that his administration was spotless. You accused his AG of being corrupt, and covering up for Obama.

You just can’t accept the idea that Democrats can be honest. Look, you guys ALWAYS come up with crazy accusations that don’t hold any water at all, then scream when they aren’t taken seriously. Like Obama not being born in America. That’s what you did with Obama all the time. All the bullshit accusations that were just stupid.

Look, there were the accusations and the huge circus over BENGHAZI!!!

That was just stupid. It was the same kind of thing as the Marine Baracks in Lebanon during the Reagan Administration. In both cases we were caught with out pants down, and bad things happened. But no one in the Reagan era tried to say it was a big scandal. But they sure did during the Obama years, and they made fools of themselves in the hearings. But I’ll bet dollars to donuts that YOU believe there was a huge nefarious thing that Obama and Hillary Clinton covered up.

And it’s just stupid. But that’s where we are with you.

You talk a lot of shit GoU but I note you can’t show a single post of mine to support what you claim. You are making all kinds of unfounded and unsubstantiated claims about things you claim I believe and you have absolutely nothing in evidence to support your claim. That’s how you roll with everything. I don’t believe a single thing you post. I don’t trust a single link you post. You lie constantly. You misrepresent constantly. So no we aren’t going to agree on right or wrong. We aren’t going to agree on what is true or false. We aren’t going to agree on fact vs opinion. You demonstrate time after time these concepts have no meaning for you.

But prove me wrong. Show a single post where I ever said Biden or Obama was guilty of anything. A single post.

You will run away. Again.

[gounion]

You talk a lot of shit GoU but I note you can’t show a single post of mine to support what you claim. You are making all kinds of unfounded and unsubstantiated claims about things you claim I believe and you have absolutely nothing in evidence to support your claim. That’s how you roll with everything. I don’t believe a single thing you post. I don’t trust a single link you post. You lie constantly. You misrepresent constantly. So no we aren’t going to agree on right or wrong. We aren’t going to agree on what is true or false. We aren’t going to agree on fact vs opinion. You demonstrate time after time these concepts have no meaning for you.

But prove me wrong. Show a single post where I ever said Biden or Obama was guilty of anything. A single post.

You will run away. Again.

Won't run away at all. We can all read what you say every day. When I show you one, you just whine "That's not what I meant". When I told you that Obama had the ONLY administration in modern history with no indictments or jail time, you started screaming that his AG was just covering up for him. You know you did. Like right here: http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 374#p44374

Obama wasn’t investigated because he had an AG that was more concerned with being a good “wingman” than he was with actually doing his job.

BTW, that IS a lie. There were investigations, but never any indictments or prison time. But you don't think a lack of indictments means anything, do you?

After Drak posted these tables, you seem to have taken a powder from the thread.








Isn't it something that the four worst administrations - BY FAR - were all Republicans? Trump, Nixon, Reagan and Bush II?

I'm sure you've got an excuse for that.

[JoeMemphis]

Won't run away at all. We can all read what you say every day. When I show you one, you just whine "That's not what I meant". When I told you that Obama had the ONLY administration in modern history with no indictments or jail time, you started screaming that his AG was just covering up for him. You know you did. Like right here: http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 374#p44374



BTW, that IS a lie. There were investigations, but never any indictments or prison time. But you don't think a lack of indictments means anything, do you?

After Drak posted these tables, you seem to have taken a powder from the thread.








Isn't it something that the four worst administrations - BY FAR - were all Republicans? Trump, Nixon, Reagan and Bush II?

I'm sure you've got an excuse for that.

I never denied I said Eric “Wingman” Holder ran inference for the Obama administration. Never denied it. I stand by it today. So you have done nothing but prove what I said I posted was what I posted. That wasn’t in question.

You’ve been claiming that I said Obama and Biden were “GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY”. And you have yet to show a single post to support that remark. You can’t because I NEVER made such a post. You just make that shit up. So you lied. Again. You will run away. Again.

You said you can’t have an honest discussion with a liar. You are the liar. A serial liar. You can’t help yourself. It’s who you are. It’s in your DNA.

[Glennfs]

You obviously don’t understand. I didn’t bring up Lebanon to say that Reagan rigged it. I said we were caught flat-footed. Reagan’s only problem is that he DARED our enemies to hit us. That cowboy bullshit works in movies, but not the real world. His bravado cost lives. But let’s be clear: that was NEVER Reagan’s plan, and he doesn’t have any further responsibility for what happened.

But you were on board with the Benghazi bullshit, weren’t you?

Waco, same thing. It wasn’t a planned thing, it was another disaster. Just like Lebanon and Benghazi. But you’ll be happy to politicize it, won’t you? Just another big Democratic conspiracy, right?

Actually I never mentioned Benghazi other than to say it needed investigated and the hearings after the 1st investigation were politically motivated.
Sorry to disappoint you.

[gounion]

I never denied I said Eric “Wingman” Holder ran inference for the Obama administration. Never denied it. I stand by it today. So you have done nothing but prove what I said I posted was what I posted. That wasn’t in question.

You’ve been claiming that I said Obama and Biden were “GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY”. And you have yet to show a single post to support that remark. You can’t because I NEVER made such a post. You just make that shit up. So you lied. Again. You will run away. Again.

You said you can’t have an honest discussion with a liar. You are the liar. A serial liar. You can’t help yourself. It’s who you are. It’s in your DNA.

It’s funny how you run away from your comments.

Here’s a fact you’ll never agree with: Barack Obama had the most honest and corruption-free administration in modern history. You won’t because you believe that Obama was corrupt, and your posts show it.

Go ahead, make me a liar. Agree with the fact that Obama’s eight years was corruption free. Or run away.

[gounion]

Actually I never mentioned Benghazi other than to say it needed investigated and the hearings after the 1st investigation were politically motivated.
Sorry to disappoint you.

So you admit that it was all a big stupid circus just to smear Hillary Clinton?

[JoeMemphis]

It’s funny how you run away from your comments.

Here’s a fact you’ll never agree with: Barack Obama had the most honest and corruption-free administration in modern history. You won’t because you believe that Obama was corrupt, and your posts show it.

Go ahead, make me a liar. Agree with the fact that Obama’s eight years was corruption free. Or run away.

I don’t need to “make” you a liar. You don’t need anyone’s help in that regard. You got that covered yourself and you demonstrate it with every post.

I already said I don’t agree with that statement. I have repeatedly said that investigations were blocked or stonewalled by the DOJ. That type of behavior indicates there is something to hide. You can defend it if you want but it undermines confidence in government.

Note: you still have shown zero posts to show where I ever said Biden or Obama were guilty of anything. Zero. You continue to run away.

[gounion]

I don’t need to “make” you a liar. You don’t need anyone’s help in that regard. You got that covered yourself and you demonstrate it with every post.

I already said I don’t agree with that statement. I have repeatedly said that investigations were blocked or stonewalled by the DOJ. That type of behavior indicates there is something to hide. You can defend it if you want but it undermines confidence in government.

Note: you still have shown zero posts to show where I ever said Biden or Obama were guilty of anything. Zero. You continue to run away.

No, they weren’t blocked or stonewalled. It would be up to YOU to prove they were.

You’re just lying. But we knew that. You’ll never admit that a Democrat is honest.

[JoeMemphis]

No, they weren’t blocked or stonewalled. It would be up to YOU to prove they were.

You’re just lying. But we knew that. You’ll never admit that a Democrat is honest.

Do run run do run run.

[bradman]

I dunno what the defense will argue. Neither do you. Chuckle all you want but we don’t send people to jail in this country on the word of the prosecution alone.

But I don’t pronounce Dems guilty based on what’s been reported and I don’t do it for Republicans either. Folks on this board who have done that in the past have eaten a lot more crow than I have.

He's a very, very busy man after all..........

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-thinks-did ... 52029.html

During the Baier interview, the Fox host asked the now twice-indicted former president, “Why not just hand them over then?” Trump responded, “Because I had boxes — I want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. I don’t want to hand that over to NARA yet. And I was very busy, as you’ve sort of seen … I’ve been very, very busy … [So] before I send boxes over, I have to take all of my things out. These boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things — golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes. There were many things.”

chuckle. i get it. Having the belief that he wasn't going anywhere, he didn't have time to pack until the last second. The stress must have been terrible. Do i keep the golf shoes or the secret nuke documents? Decisions, decisions.

[gounion]

Do run run do run run.

Trump Trump Trump!

[JoeMemphis]

Trump Trump Trump!

You are obsessed with the man. He lives in your head.

[gounion]

You are obsessed with the man. He lives in your head.

No, he lives in yours. He’s the one you support.

[JoeMemphis]

No, he lives in yours. He’s the one you support.

And that’s yet another unfounded and unsubstantiated allegation on your part. Show a post.

[Glennfs]

So you admit that it was all a big stupid circus just to smear Hillary Clinton?

Back when it was relevant I said many times that the first investigation was legitimate the rest political.
I have no problem criticizing the republican party for crap like that.
If I were a democrat I would have no problem criticizing the January 6th dog and pony show the democratic party recently put on.

[gounion]

Back when it was relevant I said many times that the first investigation was legitimate the rest political.
I have no problem criticizing the republican party for crap like that.
If I were a democrat I would have no problem criticizing the January 6th dog and pony show the democratic party recently put on.

So was the censure of Adam Schiff purely political, or was it warranted?

[ProfX]

Until the Looner who started the Schiff censure motion removed a ridiculous $16 million fine from the resolution, 20 Rethugs wouldn't vote for it. (But just 20. Still enough to prevent a House majority.)

She took that out, then it went down on exactly the party line vote I would expect.

Means nothing. It will trigger an Ethics investigation of Schiff -- go ahead there's nothing to find. They just have a sad that Schiff was tearing Durham a new one earlier in the day.

[gounion]

Wow, Randy Rainbow really upped his game on this one - Donald's in the John with Boxes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zDXVw0aatQ

[ZoWie]

Wow. He's hit it out of the park on this one. Major talent, that.

[Bludogdem]

I dunno what the defense will argue.

Expect the defense to argue that the Presidential Records Act is the controlling statute

This will give them the opportunity to use opinions on the PRA from Armstrong v Bush, Armstrong v Bush II, and Judicial Watch v NARA. That could easily hang a jury.

And if there is a conviction then they’ll appeal potentially to strike down the PRA as unconstitutional which would then revert back to the historical status that the President owns all his records.

Keep in mind that Jack Smith had his conviction of governor McDonald overturned by a unanimous Supreme Court because of over expansive view and application of the law. He also had a hung jury in the senator Menendez case, and the John Edwards case. Don’t be surprised if trump isn’t added to the hung jury list.

[gounion]

Expect the defense to argue that the Presidential Records Act is the controlling statute

Expect them to go down in flames then. It's the Presidential Records Act, NOT the Former Presidential Records Act. Nothing in it allows a former President to keep nuclear secrets at his hotel in the bathroom.

This will give them the opportunity to use opinions on the PRA from Armstrong v Bush, Armstrong v Bush II, and Judicial Watch v NARA. That could easily hang a jury.

And if there is a conviction then they’ll appeal potentially to strike down the PRA as unconstitutional which would then revert back to the historical status that the President owns all his records.

Keep in mind that Jack Smith had his conviction of governor McDonald overturned by a unanimous Supreme Court because of over expansive view and application of the law. He also had a hung jury in the senator Menendez case, and the John Edwards case. Don’t be surprised if trump isn’t added to the hung jury list.

You Trumpers are so damned funny. You really believe him, don't you? You are all fools.

Cause, I mean, Trump's been sooooo successful in court so far, right?