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Drak wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:08 pm Of course Trump saw this coming. Christ, it’s like certain purposefully ignorant people on this board haven’t followed anything that’s been happening over the last 6 years and haven’t read one piece of reporting on these boards.

Trump spent his entire presidency attacking America’s allies, weakening relationships and weakening NATO. He also moved troops out of Germany. He was assisting with Putin’s foreign policy the entire time he was in power and he’s STILL doing so with his pro Putin praise propaganda.

You are giving trump way to much credit he isn't that smart.
Imo he was kissing up to Putin hoping for loans and a chance to put a trump hotel in Russia.
Which is probably what he is still doing with his anti American dumb ass statements.
As for Putin he is professionally trained by the KGB. For Putin to get information out of trump would be like taking candy from a baby.
I am sure in trump's feeble mind he thinks he is running circles around Putin.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:55 pm You are giving trump way to much credit he isn't that smart.
Imo he was kissing up to Putin hoping for loans and a chance to put a trump hotel in Russia.
Which is probably what he is still doing with his anti American dumb ass statements.
As for Putin he is professionally trained by the KGB. For Putin to get information out of trump would be like taking candy from a baby.
I am sure in trump's feeble mind he thinks he is running circles around Putin.
Putin used Trump's greed for his purpose which primarily was to weaken or disband NATO and with Trump, he almost accomplished that.

Putin, IMO, isn't after just a warm water port, like Russia has wanted for centuries, but it's for the oil, natural gas, lithium deposits, etc.. If Putin can control the Ukraine or a good part of it and get control of these energy resources it will make Putin one, if not the biggest, player in the world being able to leverage the world price of energy sources.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:55 pm You are giving trump way to much credit he isn't that smart.
You probably should not be commenting on Trump's intelligence levels, since he is the party leader of the party you vote for.

You vote these people into office, and for every single one of their domestic and foreign policies. This is a far worse reflection on you and your poor political choices.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:33 pm Putin used Trump's greed for his purpose which primarily was to weaken or disband NATO and with Trump, he almost accomplished that.

Putin, IMO, isn't after just a warm water port, like Russia has wanted for centuries, but it's for the oil, natural gas, lithium deposits, etc.. If Putin can control the Ukraine or a good part of it and get control of these energy resources it will make Putin one, if not the biggest, player in the world being able to leverage the world price of energy sources.
Exactly what I was trying to say, you said it much better
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Russian state broadcaster RT just published Tucker Carlson’s rant to defend Putin with Russian subtitles.
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Officials think it will take 1-4 days for the Capital to fall.

SWIFT is still off limits.
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While settling in for bedtime last night, i caught a couple minutes of Tuckers show. i shouldn't have. It took me forever to fall asleep.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:55 pm You are giving trump way to much credit he isn't that smart.
Imo he was kissing up to Putin hoping for loans and a chance to put a trump hotel in Russia.
Which is probably what he is still doing with his anti American dumb ass statements.
As for Putin he is professionally trained by the KGB. For Putin to get information out of trump would be like taking candy from a baby.
I am sure in trump's feeble mind he thinks he is running circles around Putin.

It doesn’t matter what Trump’s reasoning is for being Putins’s ally. He did exactly what I said. He assisted Putin with Putin’s foreign policy and continues to do so. Once again you attempt to dilute it and take responsibility away. Trump was president and Trump is the leader of your party.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:55 pm You are giving trump way to much credit he isn't that smart.
Imo he was kissing up to Putin hoping for loans and a chance to put a trump hotel in Russia.
Which is probably what he is still doing with his anti American dumb ass statements.

As for Putin he is professionally trained by the KGB. For Putin to get information out of trump would be like taking candy from a baby.
I am sure in trump's feeble mind he thinks he is running circles around Putin.
[bold] It'd not be a hotel deal Trump be looking for nowadays, but asylum. Putin's the only one that'd take him in.
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bradman wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:00 am [bold] It'd not be a hotel deal Trump be looking for nowadays, but asylum. Putin's the only one that'd take him in.
I don't believe the DOJ is even investigating Trump. Two of the New York State prosecutors have resigned.
I doubt we will ever see Trump charged with any crimes.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:38 am I don't believe the DOJ is even investigating Trump. Two of the New York State prosecutors have resigned.
I doubt we will ever see Trump charged with any crimes.
They resigned in protest, which has nothing to do with the DOJ. They are frustrated with the new DA and Vance. Vance let the Trumps off the hook before, in 2012.
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Drak wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:25 am It doesn’t matter what Trump’s reasoning is for being Putins’s ally. He did exactly what I said. He assisted Putin with Putin’s foreign policy and continues to do so. Once again you attempt to dilute it and take responsibility away. Trump was president and Trump is the leader of your party.
Another reminder: Trump refused to supply Ukraine with military defense assistance.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/n ... e-resigned

But Trump’s legal challenges continue. Last week, a judge in New York ordered him to testify under oath in a parallel civil investigation focused in part on whether his company misrepresented asset values, a judge in Washington, D.C. refused to dismiss conspiracy lawsuits trying to hold him liable for the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot and the National Archives revealed that classified information was found in 15 boxes of White House records taken to his Mar-a-Lago home.

Meanwhile, the Jan. 6 committee is continuing to investigate the insurrection, and what role Trump played in inciting it, and an investigation in Georgia is continuing into whether Trump broke the law by trying to pressure state officials to throw out President Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory. A special grand jury is expected to be seated in May in that case and will work for up to a year.

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Considering how many crimes he's guilty of, I hope he gets nailed on at least one.

Those prosecutors appear to have resigned because they did not like what seemed to be Bragg's hesitancy in bringing charges against Trump.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:49 am https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/n ... e-resigned

But Trump’s legal challenges continue. Last week, a judge in New York ordered him to testify under oath in a parallel civil investigation focused in part on whether his company misrepresented asset values, a judge in Washington, D.C. refused to dismiss conspiracy lawsuits trying to hold him liable for the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot and the National Archives revealed that classified information was found in 15 boxes of White House records taken to his Mar-a-Lago home.

Meanwhile, the Jan. 6 committee is continuing to investigate the insurrection, and what role Trump played in inciting it, and an investigation in Georgia is continuing into whether Trump broke the law by trying to pressure state officials to throw out President Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory. A special grand jury is expected to be seated in May in that case and will work for up to a year.

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Considering how many crimes he's guilty of, I hope he gets nailed on at least one.

Those prosecutors appear to have resigned because they did not like what seemed to be Bragg's hesitancy in bringing charges against Trump.

Trump is probably going to be in real trouble in regards to the civil cases, especially in New York.

As for criminal charges, while I can agree there are crimes he could and probably should be charged with. I will be very surprised if it ever happens.
On the state level it would probably be to costly to spend millions prosecuting trump just to see him get home confinement at worse.
On a national level it would probably be politically costly to the democratic party. Plus it would open up a can of worms where every ex president would be subject to investigation.
While trump doesn't deserve a break. We really need to put our partisan beliefs aside and look at what the long term effects of prosecuting a former president would truly be.
Personally I think the law of unintended consequences would come back to bite us in the ass.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:23 pm
While trump doesn't deserve a break. We really need to put our partisan beliefs aside and look at what the long term effects of prosecuting a former president would truly be.
Personally I think the law of unintended consequences would come back to bite us in the ass.
Committing serious crimes should not be ignored because you feel it's "partisan." If you don't punish those who commit serious crimes, they will continue.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:24 am Exactly what I was trying to say, you said it much better
That's not what you were trying to say. You said Trump is being given too much credit for his help working Putin's plans. That's false. And stupidity doesn't negate you from responsibility. Some of the dumbest people in the world commit crimes and treason, because they ARE dumb. In Trump's case, he was President. He IS fully responsible and does get credit for helping with Putin's schemes. It doesn't matter what the reasons are.
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Drak wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:16 pm That's not what you were trying to say. You said Trump is being given too much credit for his help working Putin's plans. That's false. And stupidity doesn't negate you from responsibility. Some of the dumbest people in the world commit crimes and treason, because they ARE dumb. In Trump's case, he was President. He IS fully responsible and does get credit for helping with Putin's schemes. It doesn't matter what the reasons are.
No I said he was giving trump to much credit because trump isn't that smart
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:21 pm No I said he was giving trump to much credit because trump isn't that smart
Do you have a learning or reading disability? Serious question.
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Presidents and ex presidents are not above the law.

I worry more about the costs of failing to hold them accountable. You can think what you wish; to me this has nothing to with partisanship, especially as there are a number of Republicans who agree with me.

He is not being investigated by the Democratic party; he's being investigated by a variety of jurisdictions. It's not up to the party. If he didn't want the investigations, he shouldn't have skirted the law.
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bradman wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:24 pm To be fair, the last several administrations may have misjudged Putin, but only one tried to dismantle the bulwark assembled to try and control Putin.

if anything, it shows quite the opposite. We've known about our fuel vulnerability since the days of oil embargos. We shouldn't be going through yet another oil crisis.
And yet here we are. Until such time as we have a viable alternative capable of meeting our current needs and the needs of our allies, I think it only makes sense to produce the oil and gas we require rather than being put in a position of buying those resources from our enemies. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:45 pm Presidents and ex presidents are not above the law.

I worry more about the costs of failing to hold them accountable. You can think what you wish; to me this has nothing to with partisanship, especially as there are a number of Republicans who agree with me.

He is not being investigated by the Democratic party; he's being investigated by a variety of jurisdictions. It's not up to the party. If he didn't want the investigations, he shouldn't have skirted the law.
No public official is above the law. We should investigate independently and objectively allegations of wrongdoing and follow the law.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:45 pm Presidents and ex presidents are not above the law.

I worry more about the costs of failing to hold them accountable. You can think what you wish; to me this has nothing to with partisanship, especially as there are a number of Republicans who agree with me.

He is not being investigated by the Democratic party; he's being investigated by a variety of jurisdictions. It's not up to the party. If he didn't want the investigations, he shouldn't have skirted the law.
Democrats are in power if there is a public backlash they will suffer.
If there is polling that shows that to he true, they will figure out a way to end investigation.
Probably by dragging their feet until the gop is in charge. Then claim th he gop let him off the hook.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:13 pm No public official is above the law. We should investigate independently and objectively allegations of wrongdoing and follow the law.
Then why is the GOP working to block any investigation?
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Just sitting here watching Putin MURDER Ukrainians and any Russian soldier who refuses to MURDER his cousin will themselves be MURDERED by Putin...

And it dawned on me, TRUMP supports this murderer as does Tucker Carlson and many other cons but


ON THIS BOARD

are supporters of the party that the TRAITOR is the leader of!

FUCK EACH OF YOU TO HELL! :twisted:
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Praising Putin in public is not a good look right now. This year's CPAC should provide enough outrageous quotes to get the Democrats through the whole 2022 campaign.
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