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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:29 pm 
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:arrow: Every time I hear Bernie speak , I agree with everything he says. I would have liked to have heard this rally in Maine last night on C-span or somewhere, but it wasn't to be the case.


Here you go! I'm going to listen to it tonight.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:26 pm 
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I almost done listening to the speech. He's gone through the list of all the things we need to fix---saving and creating jobs, tuition free college and eliminating college debt, overturning Citizens' United, eliminating voter suppression, saving social security, eliminating free trade, breaking up the bank monopolies, confronting climate change, and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure.

He screwed up his line "If a bank is too big to fail, it's too big to exist." He gave a chuckle and said "Let me rephrase that..."

I'm in the process of cutting an excerpt to put on youtube about Citizens United because it's one of the most important, if not THE most important, issue affecting us today.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:10 pm 
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the wingers are going to have a hard time cornering Bernie on gun control

he is gaining a lot of republican support

establishment politicians must be shitting kittens


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:18 pm 
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Here you go! I'm going to listen to it tonight.


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:arrow: Thank you so much RitaAnn for posting his Portland, Maine speech. I was hoping the media would have shown it, even c-span but they didn't. I guess one has to be a pompous, belligerent narcissist like Donald Trump to get any decent campaign coverage nowadays? Or just be a Republican or someone named Hillary?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:27 pm 
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I almost done listening to the speech. He's gone through the list of all the things we need to fix---saving and creating jobs, tuition free college and eliminating college debt, overturning Citizens' United, eliminating voter suppression, saving social security, eliminating free trade, breaking up the bank monopolies, confronting climate change, and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure.

He screwed up his line "If a bank is too big to fail, it's too big to exist." He gave a chuckle and said "Let me rephrase that..."

I'm in the process of cutting an excerpt to put on youtube about Citizens United because it's one of the most important, if not THE most important, issue affecting us today.


:arrow: I love the part where the supporter yelled out in the beginning of his his speech after he asked, "why are 250,000 people donating.....", "YOU ROCK BERNIE! YOU ROCK!" The audience broke out in a loud applause after that! I couldn't stop myself from clapping either!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:38 am 
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You're welcome, IliseHD!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:44 am 
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Well excuse me Anthony. :x

Anthony Weiner Isn't Buying Bernie Sanders' Presidential Bid

Unsuccessful New York City mayoral candidate and former Rep. Anthony Weiner admitted Saturday that he just doesn't get Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) bid for the Democratic nomination for president.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:48 pm 
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Well excuse me Anthony. :x

Anthony Weiner Isn't Buying Bernie Sanders' Presidential Bid

Unsuccessful New York City mayoral candidate and former Rep. Anthony Weiner admitted Saturday that he just doesn't get Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) bid for the Democratic nomination for president.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/1 ... 76220.html


Bernie's in it to win and running as an independent would probably hurt his chances even more. What's good about the switch is he can hopefully bring the party back to the ideals of FDR. And that's something Weiner fails to get.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:15 pm 
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Well excuse me Anthony. :x

Anthony Weiner Isn't Buying Bernie Sanders' Presidential Bid

Unsuccessful New York City mayoral candidate and former Rep. Anthony Weiner admitted Saturday that he just doesn't get Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) bid for the Democratic nomination for president.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/1 ... 76220.html


:arrow: Weiner's wife works for Hillary so I would expect this shill to be an ardent Hillary supporter. His Congressional record proves he is just as much a corporate Democrat as Hillary is.

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Bernie supporter here, but not at the expense of losing the election to the right if Bernie doesnt get the nomination.

So I will work for him in any capacity I can until the time comes, If it does, that he is no longer running then I will support whoever the Dem candidate is.

Not because I have any illusion that ANY of them can really do much, they cant, especially not now with criminals gerrymandering states to the point that dems need twice as many votes as cons to get elected, but because doing little harm is preferred overdoing GREAT harm.

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Bernie supporter here, but not at the expense of losing the election to the right if Bernie doesnt get the nomination.

So I will work for him in any capacity I can until the time comes, If it does, that he is no longer running then I will support whoever the Dem candidate is.

Not because I have any illusion that ANY of them can really do much, they cant, especially not now with criminals gerrymandering states to the point that dems need twice as many votes as cons to get elected, but because doing little harm is preferred overdoing GREAT harm.

I'll 2nd that.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:40 pm 
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Bernie Sanders: I’m not a liberal. Never have been. I’m a progressive who mostly focuses on the working and middle class.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/upsho ... nders.html

^ Uh, what does he mean by that??

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Mr. Sanders draws hope from his experiences in Vermont, where he says liberals “have not been the strongest supporters.” It’s where he has found a base among working-class voters.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:33 pm 
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Yeah, I wonder myself, but am a big supporter regardless.

One thing I know, he is NOT reaching POC and he better start soon

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Bernie supporter here, but not at the expense of losing the election to the right if Bernie doesnt get the nomination.

So I will work for him in any capacity I can until the time comes, If it does, that he is no longer running then I will support whoever the Dem candidate is.

Not because I have any illusion that ANY of them can really do much, they cant, especially not now with criminals gerrymandering states to the point that dems need twice as many votes as cons to get elected, but because doing little harm is preferred overdoing GREAT harm.

That's where I don't get Anthony "Exposed" Weiner's criticism of Bernie running for the Democratic nomination. It would be much more destructive to Democratic chances to run as an independent, sitting out the primary to come and throw in the monkey wrench and help split the vote during the general. What he's really crying about is that now Hillary has to spend energy and resources justifying her run instead of banking cash swatting away the relatively unthreatening Democratic challengers coming at her from within the party.

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That's where I don't get Anthony "Exposed" Weiner's criticism of Bernie running for the Democratic nomination. It would be much more destructive to Democratic chances to run as an independent, sitting out the primary to come and throw in the monkey wrench and help split the vote during the general. What he's really crying about is that now Hillary has to spend energy and resources justifying her run instead of banking cash swatting away the relatively unthreatening Democratic challengers coming at her from within the party.

Had weird epiphany?

Had MSNBC on and looked over and saw Hillary and her speech last night I guess, and all of a sudden I realized I was looking at "status quo" regards Wall Street, etc.

And then I listened and I think I heard trickle down in disguise! Lower taxes and less regulations on business so they can profit share?

fuck me

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I assumed the term "liberal" and "progressive" were interchangeable. People started using progressive because liberal became a bad word.

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I assumed the term "liberal" and "progressive" were interchangeable. People started using progressive because liberal became a bad word.

I don't call myself a Progressive. I AM a Liberal. And if they don't like it, as Bette Midler would say "fuck'em if they can't take a joke".

As for 'trickle down'......
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I assumed the term "liberal" and "progressive" were interchangeable. People started using progressive because liberal became a bad word.


The first term can confuse people in Europe, because European liberal parties are more or less classically liberal (right-libertarian), perhaps even what we might today call neoliberal, i.e. believe in laissez-faire, free trade, and unfettered free markets. Whereas liberal in the U.S. has come to mean favoring government intervention in the economy/private sector.

The second term has roots in the Progressive Era, and Progressive populist reforms. Not as a way of hiding from being called liberal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

In a U.S. context, the terms are relatively interchangeable.

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Other countries don't use the word "liberal" the way they do in the US because there's a political party known as the "Liberal Party." For example, Canada's Liberal Party is right leaning centrist party. Australia's Liberal party is actually their rabidly right wing party, currently in power.

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:arrow: Today Hillary Clinton went to Capitol Hill to mingle with her fellow Democrats, I think she went to gloat, but that's for a different thread. She went to have lunch on the the Senate side and of course her rival Sen. Bernie Sanders was there......

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton Just Had a (Sorta) Lovefest

Bernie Sanders is trying to kill Hillary Clinton with kindness. The combative Vermont senator, who’s currently polling in second place (very distant second place, but hey, second place nonetheless) behind Clinton in the contest to be Democrats’ 2016 presidential nominee, rubbed shoulders with her Tuesday on Capitol Hill when she made a quick pit stop there to shmooze with old congressional pals. After all, just because they are rivals doesn’t mean they can’t have lunch.

The weekly meeting Clinton attended is a closed-door, private luncheon, and usually senators are pretty cagey about details from the conversations they have inside. Not on Tuesday. The senators who spoke with The Daily Beast were eager to discuss Clinton’s conversation with them. Several senators said Sanders joined his fellow liberals to stand and applaud the former secretary of state when she entered the room and indicated that the exchange between the two former colleagues was complimentary.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) said Clinton name-checked the Vermont senator early in her remarks, giving him “real praise for carrying the Democratic flag high with a lot of excited supporters, some comment like that that was real positive right at the start of her comments.”

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) said Sanders appeared to appreciate the acknowledgement. “I think he smiled, that’s the best way of putting it,” Blumenthal said. The lovefest was sort of mutual.

Sanders left the lunch to hold a media availability with reporters—something Clinton did not do during her Hill jaunt—and promised to run a civil campaign. “I don’t like negative campaigns, I’ve never run a negative ad in my life,” he said. “I believe the American people are entitled to serious discussion about serious issues.” That said, Sanders was clear that while the two could be cordial, they also disagree on a lot of key issues for progressives. He listed trade agreements, the Keystone XL pipeline, the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and climate change as places Clinton could use some improvement. He then dinged Clinton for something reporters complain about all the time: her lack of clarity. “I don’t believe we should be excavating or transporting some of the dirtiest fuel on this planet,” he said, referring to his opposition to the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. “I think Sec. Clinton has not been clear on her views on that issue.” And then there is her coziness with Wall Street. “I believe that we should break up the major financial institutions and certainly go forward with restoring Glass-Steagall financial regulations,” he continued. “To the best of my knowledge, those are ideas that Sec. Clinton does not agree with.” And he needled the former secretary of state for neglecting to clarify her stance on infrastructure construction, his proposed transaction tax on Wall Street speculation, and a hike of the minimum wage to $15 per hour.

Still, the interactions between Sanders and Clinton in the Capitol on Tuesday indicate the pair may not campaign in the knock-down, drag-out slugfest style that dominated the 2008 Democratic primaries. “We were all grown-ups, we all like each other, we’re all in the same party,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) of the luncheon. “We all want the same result.”


It's the last part (which I highlighted) that really got me or at least made me take note and roll my eyes~

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Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) unloaded on her Senate colleague Bernie Sanders, saying Bernie is far too liberal to make it to the White House. “I think that the media is giving Bernie a pass right now,” “I very rarely read in any coverage of Bernie that he’s a socialist. I think everybody wants a fight and I think they are not really giving the same scrutiny to Bernie Sanders that they’re giving to, certainly, Hillary Clinton and the other candidates.”
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“We were all grown-ups, we all like each other, we’re all in the same party,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) of the luncheon. “We all want the same result.”
Claire McCaskill is the biggest phony if not hypocrite!!

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I assumed the term "liberal" and "progressive" were interchangeable. People started using progressive because liberal became a bad word.

That's been my feeling as well.

Other countries don't use the word "liberal" the way they do in the US because there's a political party known as the "Liberal Party." For example, Canada's Liberal Party is right leaning centrist party. Australia's Liberal party is actually their rabidly right wing party, currently in power.


Sure, but Sanders was speaking with an American journalist who writes for an American audience.


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Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) unloaded on her Senate colleague Bernie Sanders, saying Bernie is far too liberal to make it to the White House. “I think that the media is giving Bernie a pass right now,” “I very rarely read in any coverage of Bernie that he’s a socialist. I think everybody wants a fight and I think they are not really giving the same scrutiny to Bernie Sanders that they’re giving to, certainly, Hillary Clinton and the other candidates.”
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“We were all grown-ups, we all like each other, we’re all in the same party,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) of the luncheon. “We all want the same result.”
Claire McCaskill is the biggest phony if not hypocrite!!

Can't stand her.


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Can't stand her.

:arrow: I can't stand her either. Welcome to RFL message board Fresch!!

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It may be obvious that I too support Bernie 110%!! In fact, I wrote his name in the last election out of recognition who should really be leading our nation. There's no snake in Bernie like there is in HC. Even though there's a likely chance that he'll not receive the Democratic Party's nomination due to the establishment rule control in both, it's good for us (Independent) Progressives who thirst badly for someone to cheer for without the taste of regurgitation in our mouths.

I also feel confident that Bernie would do EVERYTHING in his power to avoid unnecessary US MIC influenced conflicts abroad (while still caring for veterans and families). In fact, if God forbid Congress got out of his way, our nation's infrastructure would also benefit greatly by keeping multi-billions home along with promoting more fairer health services for all in the U.S.

Count me in for Bernie!!

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