Florida: Slavery taught job skills!

[gounion]

Yep, that’s it. Slavery was a good thing! https://www.cbsnews.com/news/floridas-n ... -benefits/

Florida's 2023 Social Studies curriculum will include lessons on how "slaves developed skills" that could be used for "personal benefit," according to a copy of the state's academic standards reviewed by CBS News.

The lessons in question fall under the social studies curriculum's African-American studies section, and be taught to students in sixth through eighth grade, according to the state standards.

The lessons for that grade level will include teachings on understanding the "causes, courses and consequences of the slave trade in the colonies," and instruction on the differences and similarities between serfdom and slavery, the curriculum says. Students will also be asked to describe "the contact of European explorers with systematic slave trading in Africa" and look at the history and evolution of slave codes.

The line about "personal benefit" is included as a "benchmark clarification" to a lesson that asks students to "examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves," such as agricultural work, domestic service, blacksmithing and household tasks like tailoring and painting.

The curriculum was approved by Florida's board of education on Wednesday.

[Number6]

I'd like to see examples of what these job skills slaves benefited from. Remember, the benefits of slavery went to the slave owners, not the slaves.

[Libertas]

Cons here approve of this sick shit.

[ZoWie]

Who said that slaves should have appreciated a guaranteed roof over their heads? Barbara Bush? No, wait, she was commenting on Blacks displaced by Katrina sleeping in the Astrodome.

I can't remember, all a blur.

Obviously, though, we're looking at a fundamental Republican belief here.

[gounion]

Who said that slaves should have appreciated a guaranteed roof over their heads? Barbara Bush? No, wait, she was commenting on Blacks displaced by Katrina sleeping in the Astrodome.

I can't remember, all a blur.

Obviously, though, we're looking at a fundamental Republican belief here.

It’s all about re-writing history, to change the narrative. They no longer want to have to admit that slavery was bad, because they really don’t think it was - they think it was the natural order of things. They want to turn back the cultural clock, at LEAST to the days of Jim Crow, if not further.

And they’ll say it’s because they don’t want the little white kids to feel guilty. Well, I was a little white kid, and although I thought slavery was evil, I didn’t feel responsible for it. But that’s what the GOP is saying now.

[ZoWie]

It's certainly what they're thinking: "Why should I atone for slavery? I wasn't even there."

The sins of the fathers........

There's more to it than that. It's yet another failure of nerve. In this case, it's staying buried in the same old shit. Sure, it's smelly and gooey, and you can't eat it, but it's warm...................

(Another one-liner popular with therapists.......)

[Number6]

What Florida is doing is a form of state-sponsored gaslighting.

[gounion]

It's certainly what they're thinking: "Why should I atone for slavery? I wasn't even there."

Yep, they say that, but then, they don't want to teach or discuss the history of slavery, because they say it'll make little white children feel guilty...

...but they weren't even there...

Yeah, that's conservative logic.

It has NOTHING to do with whether you were there or not. Problem is, you can't defend slavery on the facts. That's why they gaslight and try to change history - they've been doing it for centuries. They like the concept - that's why they shut down American factories to send to other countries that still enslave people. After all, there's 49.6 million people enslaved today. https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-tod ... n-slavery/

THAT'S what they don't want to talk about.

[Glennfs]

Yep, they say that, but then, they don't want to teach or discuss the history of slavery, because they say it'll make little white children feel guilty...

...but they weren't even there...

Yeah, that's conservative logic.

It has NOTHING to do with whether you were there or not. Problem is, you can't defend slavery on the facts. That's why they gaslight and try to change history - they've been doing it for centuries. They like the concept - that's why they shut down American factories to send to other countries that still enslave people. After all, there's 49.6 million people enslaved today. https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-tod ... n-slavery/

THAT'S what they don't want to talk about.

I imagine that Florida was probably the worst place in our country to be enslaved.
Between the heat and the sugar cane the snakes and bugs I can't think of a worst situation.

[gounion]

I imagine that Florida was probably the worst place in our country to be enslaved.
Between the heat and the sugar cane the snakes and bugs I can't think of a worst situation.

The worst thing that could happen to a slave was “being sold down south”.

But hey, according to Gov. DeSantis, it was a “jobs program!” Think of the valuable skills they could use in the afterlife!

Too bad you won’t condemn DeSantis’ actions.

[Glennfs]

The worst thing that could happen to a slave was “being sold down south”.

But hey, according to Gov. DeSantis, it was a “jobs program!” Think of the valuable skills they could use in the afterlife!

Too bad you won’t condemn DeSantis’ actions.

I thought the term was down the river.
When you read the ciricumlum and text books he wants to use what did you find.

I am sure you did so before condemnation of what he was speaking of

[gounion]

I thought the term was down the river.
When you read the ciricumlum and text books he wants to use what did you find.

I am sure you did so before condemnation of what he was speaking of

The official curriculum saw slavery giving them important jobs skills they could use later.

What? In the next life?

But you’ll support that!

[Glennfs]

The official curriculum saw slavery giving them important jobs skills they could use later.

What? In the next life?

But you’ll support that!

Not at all.

[gounion]

Not at all.

Oh? Then go ahead, denounce it.

[Bludogdem]

Talk about cherry picking. It isn’t even close to what the “African American History Strand” specifies.

Here’s the document. AA Strand is the first 23 pages. Skills reference is on page six. Only a complete moron could interpret the AA Strand as supporting slavery as a benefit.

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.ph ... lt/6-4.pdf

[gounion]

Talk about cherry picking. It isn’t even close to what the “African American History Strand” specifies.

Here’s the document. AA Strand is the first 23 pages. Skills reference is on page six. Only a complete moron could interpret the AA Strand as supporting slavery as a benefit.

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.ph ... lt/6-4.pdf

As usual, you defend this. Of course. Not surprised.

[ProfX]

The Creators of Florida’s Black History Standards Get an F on Their Homework
Many of the figures they cite as slavery’s “beneficiaries” were never enslaved.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... ntroversy/

Shortly after, Florida education officials William Allen and Frances Presley Rice, members of the group that crafted the standards, released a statement in response to the backlash. “The intent of this particular benchmark clarification is to show that some slaves developed highly specialized trades from which they benefitted. This is factual and well documented,” the pair wrote. “Any attempt to reduce slaves to just victims of oppression fails to recognize their strength, courage and resiliency during a difficult time in American history.”

The statement includes several examples of such historic figures, including blacksmiths, shoemakers, fishing and shipping industry workers, tailors, and ironically enough, teachers. But, it appears these Florida educators didn’t do their homework. As critics were quick to note, many of the “examples” listed in the statement were never slaves, or they launched their respective professions only after gaining their freedom.

The Tampa Bay Times pointed out several examples, including Booker T. Washington, listed in the statement as a teacher. “Washington was enslaved but did not gain his skills until after being freed at age 9,” the paper notes. “He worked in mines and as a houseboy before entering school, according to Tuskegee University, which he founded in 1881.”

[snip]

Overall, by the paper’s count, historians say nearly half of the 16 figures highlighted by the state were never enslaved. As Andrew Spar, president of the Florida Education Association teachers union told the Times, “They just threw out a bunch of names to make it seem like something good came of [slavery]. The reality of it is, the facts don’t back up what they are saying.”

[snip][end]

Slavemasters usually tried to make sure slaves did not learn skills like blacksmithing, as it could be used to make weapons or help people break chains. For sure, they did not want their slaves learning how to read or write.

[gounion]

Talk about cherry picking. It isn’t even close to what the “African American History Strand” specifies.

Here’s the document. AA Strand is the first 23 pages. Skills reference is on page six. Only a complete moron could interpret the AA Strand as supporting slavery as a benefit.

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.ph ... lt/6-4.pdf

From page 6:

Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation).

Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.

Yeah, you must be talking about yourself when you're talking about a complete moron.

[gounion]

The Creators of Florida’s Black History Standards Get an F on Their Homework
Many of the figures they cite as slavery’s “beneficiaries” were never enslaved.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... ntroversy/

Shortly after, Florida education officials William Allen and Frances Presley Rice, members of the group that crafted the standards, released a statement in response to the backlash. “The intent of this particular benchmark clarification is to show that some slaves developed highly specialized trades from which they benefitted. This is factual and well documented,” the pair wrote. “Any attempt to reduce slaves to just victims of oppression fails to recognize their strength, courage and resiliency during a difficult time in American history.”

The statement includes several examples of such historic figures, including blacksmiths, shoemakers, fishing and shipping industry workers, tailors, and ironically enough, teachers. But, it appears these Florida educators didn’t do their homework. As critics were quick to note, many of the “examples” listed in the statement were never slaves, or they launched their respective professions only after gaining their freedom.

The Tampa Bay Times pointed out several examples, including Booker T. Washington, listed in the statement as a teacher. “Washington was enslaved but did not gain his skills until after being freed at age 9,” the paper notes. “He worked in mines and as a houseboy before entering school, according to Tuskegee University, which he founded in 1881.”

[snip]

Overall, by the paper’s count, historians say nearly half of the 16 figures highlighted by the state were never enslaved. As Andrew Spar, president of the Florida Education Association teachers union told the Times, “They just threw out a bunch of names to make it seem like something good came of [slavery]. The reality of it is, the facts don’t back up what they are saying.”

[snip][end]

Slavemasters usually tried to make sure slaves did not learn skills like blacksmithing, as it could be used to make weapons or help people break chains. For sure, they did not want their slaves learning how to read or write.

It's astonishing and shameful that Green Grass would defend this. Even the education officials themselves doubled down and said that YES they learned skills that would benefit them!

How the HELL could we have thought such a thing, eh, Green Grass?

[bradman]

This is the part i need clarification on....

Clarification 1: Instruction includes the comparative treatment of indentured servants of European and
African extraction.
Clarification 2: Instruction includes the transition from an indentured to a slave-based economy.

[Bludogdem]

And of course the ignorant morons ignored the 23 pages of the African American History Strand.

Extensive Details of the horrors of slavery to be discussed.

But A comment on skills, especially when freed from slavery, is all that gets recognized. As I said cherry picking. By morons.

[Bludogdem]

This is the part i need clarification on....

Indentured servitude was the go to in early colonial development. It was then replaced by slavery.

[bradman]

Indentured servitude was the go to in early colonial development. It was then replaced by slavery.

i get that part. This part on the other hand...

Instruction includes the comparative treatment of indentured servants of European and
African extraction.

What's African extraction? It sounds like they are comparing being sold into slavery as nothing more than indentured servants.

[gounion]

And of course the ignorant morons ignored the 23 pages of the African American History Strand.

Extensive Details of the horrors of slavery to be discussed.

But A comment on skills, especially when freed from slavery, is all that gets recognized. As I said cherry picking. By morons.

No, since most of the examples given were NEVER slaves.

Again, slavery was never a jobs training program, and anyone who tries to say it is is full of shit.

And there was no misreading of the text. It said what it said.

And there is lots of difference between indentured servitude and slavery. I won't expect you to know that.

[gounion]

What's African extraction? It sounds like they are comparing being sold into slavery as nothing more than indentured servants.

Here's where they blame blacks in Africa for selling the slaves to the Triangle Trade. It's okay for whites to be slavers, since the black leaders in Africa willingly sold them the slaves.

Such is conservative logic.

It's astonishing how these fucking idiots, including Green Grass, will go miles to defend slavery, mostly because they really have no problem with it. You know, "the good old days".