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She looks nice, but she doesn't appear to have any executive experience to temper Kucinich's dismal executive experience.


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I wish Dennis luck. They've done no polling on the gubernatorial primary in Ohio since last year.

Should be some polls for the primary again soon. Their primary is in May. Be interested to see.

BTW, there's also a Green running for governor, Constance Gadell Newton. I wish her luck, too.

Infer from that whatever you wish. ;)

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The DNC always disrespected Kucinich never making him a committee chairmen. Because they knew he is as big a screwball and as unqualified as Bernie Sanders. When Ohio had to redistrict and eliminate a congressional district the DNC couldn't get rid of Kucinich district quick enough.

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The DNC always disrespected Kucinich never making him a committee chairmen. Because they knew he is as big a screwball and as unqualified as Bernie Sanders. When Ohio had to redistrict and eliminate a congressional district the DNC couldn't get rid of Kucinich district quick enough.

And the screwballs of the Republican Party get made Speaker of the House (Ryan, Newt) and President (Trump).

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She looks nice, but she doesn't appear to have any executive experience to temper Kucinich's dismal executive experience.


rick snyder has lots of that but is an awful governor.

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rick snyder has lots of that but is an awful governor.


I agree, Snyder's an awful governor, his executive experience is dismal. Snyder and Kucinich have dismal executive experience in common.

Two factors to look for, both quantity and quality. 1) having executive experience, 2) that executive experience having produced a successful outcome.


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www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com


https://twitter.com/Dennis_Kucinich

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Mr. boring "quote 'one word scare quote' unquote" is quite the nasty populist smear machine. Did you see how bored his audience was?



I read Richard Cordray's wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cordray

A long detailed page in which I didn't see the NRA mentioned at all. That which Kucinich went on and on about was not mentioned despite a fairly long discussion about Cordray's tenure as the Attorney General. In which he was suing the Bank of America to recover pension fund money which had been lost by Ohio universities and cities. That case could have happened, but it didn't seem like it could have happened in quite the way Kucinich described it, or it would have shown up in that wiki page.

Elizabeth Warren selected Cordray to lead the enforcement arm of the United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). Eventually he replaced Warren as the head of the CFPB.


I know who I would vote for, and it wouldn't be for the small nasty man.


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There's been no polling (that I can find) on the Ohio gubernatorial Dem primary since January ... and that January poll had 52% saying "undecided". That's why I wouldn't make much of the fact that in that poll 23% were supporting Cordray and 17% Kucinich.

So I looked over at predict.org, the predictive market.

Cordray 93c
Kucinich 10c
(Sutton, O'Neill, and Schavoni at 2c or 1c)

Sorry, Motor, we all have our breaking points, I might have backed Dennis, until he raved about Trump's inauguration speech. If Dennis really thinks Trump is an economic populist - he's a fool.

"But the one thing can I do, that I don't know if there is another Democrat in Ohio who could run for office and do, is that I can reach out to the people who voted for President Trump. I can show them that there are Democrats who stand solidly for economic progress, who want to protect our markets, who want to stand up for everyday Americans. So, you know, to me, that's my constituency, too. And I'm reaching out and I'm not going to leave anyone out of picture." -- Dennis Kucinich

That includes all the bigots and nativists too - right - Dennis?

I'm all for the party having a progressive economic message. Thing is, if you look at all the actual polling, that is NOT what "Trump voters" want to hear.

Looking over at endorsements ...

https://ballotpedia.org/Dennis_Kucinich

His ONLY endorsement is by Our Revolution.

Cordray has been endorsed by Elizabeth Warren, the Colombus and Cincinnati Mayors, and Ohio AFL-CIO. Also by State Rep. Pillich.

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NRA thinks pretty highly of Cordray too

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raving about trumps inauguration speech versus cordray tying the states hands from banning Assault rifles yea that sounds reasonable.........not

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... raving about trumps inauguration speech versus cordray tying the states hands from banning Assault rifles yea that sounds reasonable.........not


Motor City, under that line of reasoning Bernie Sanders gets pitched under the bus.

Cordray can win that general election, I seriously doubt that Kucinich would even come close.


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raving about trumps inauguration speech versus cordray tying the states hands from banning Assault rifles yea that sounds reasonable.........not


I admit I don't like Cordray's record on guns, but then ... if we're going to stick to that single issue ... Bernie Sanders isn't exactly perfect there, either. And please explain to me what the hell is going on with his Rap Outreach Director, Killer Mike.

This is heartening, but it doesn't go far enough.

Cordray Calls for Universal Background Checks, 'Rethinking' Military-Style Weapons
http://wksu.org/post/cordray-calls-univ ... s#stream/0

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... sequences/
Former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray, who is now running for governor, boasted an A-rating from the NRA in 2010. Last week he suggested that policymakers “rethink our approach to military-style weapons used to perpetrate mass shootings.”

I hope you'll continue this "rethinking" stuff Mr. Cordray, and rethink hard about a ban on assault weapons.

BTW, though, while it's important what the governor thinks ... it's more important what legislation the Ohio state legislature writes ... he only signs it (or not).

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Motor City, under that line of reasoning Bernie Sanders gets pitched under the bus.

Cordray can win that general election, I seriously doubt that Kucinich would even come close.


Sanders has been pretty consistent on banning assault rifles, nothing wrong with standing up for recreational hunters rights, doing the dirty work of the nra like Cordray did is another matter all together.

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I admit I don't like Cordray's record on guns, but then ... if we're going to stick to that single issue ... Bernie Sanders isn't exactly perfect there, either. And please explain to me what the hell is going on with his Rap Outreach Director, Killer Mike.

This is heartening, but it doesn't go far enough.

Cordray Calls for Universal Background Checks, 'Rethinking' Military-Style Weapons
http://wksu.org/post/cordray-calls-univ ... s#stream/0

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... sequences/
Former Ohio Attorney General Richard Cordray, who is now running for governor, boasted an A-rating from the NRA in 2010. Last week he suggested that policymakers “rethink our approach to military-style weapons used to perpetrate mass shootings.”

I hope you'll continue this "rethinking" stuff Mr. Cordray, and rethink hard about a ban on assault weapons.

BTW, though, while it's important what the governor thinks ... it's more important what legislation the Ohio state legislature writes ... he only signs it (or not).


No Bernie is not perfect but hes pretty darn good, recreational hunters are not the villains in our country's mass shooting epidemic.

Killer Mike apologizes for NRA video

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No Bernie is not perfect but hes pretty darn good,


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... d-checks-/

Imposes a five-day waiting period and background checks on firearm purchases, part of the Brady Bill -- (Sanders' vote) Nay
Gives the District of Columbia seats in the House of Representatives and repeals the district’s ban on semi-automatic weapons --- Yea
Allows firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains, as an amendment to the congressional budget -- Yea

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"Bernie’s response is that he doesn’t just represent liberals and progressives. (*) He was sent to Washington to present all of Vermont," Pollina said. "It’s not inappropriate for a congressman to support a majority position, particularly on something Vermonters have been very clear about."

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(*) Yeah, I've noticed.

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Good and bad news.

In the latest polling, Kucinich and Cordray are tied at 21% of the poll.
https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-he ... rnors-race

If that number looks small -- that's because 46% still report as "undecided". (Yo people - you're running out of time, decide.)

In hypothetical match-ups, deWine beats both Cordray and Kucinich, but he would beat Kucinich worse, by 13 points.

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When he ran for president, he was ridiculed and dismissed. It turns out he was the future of American politics

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Talk show host Larry King was peering down a long table in an auditorium at the University of Southern California. It was February 2004, and the candidates contending for the Democratic presidential nomination had assembled for a debate. At the far end, fixed in King’s gaze, was Dennis Kucinich, then a member of Congress from Cleveland.

Filling the remaining seats were then-Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, then-Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and the Rev. Al Sharpton. Already, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, then-Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri and then-Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, among others, had dropped out of the race. King wanted to know when Kucinich would make his exit as well. “Logically, it appears like you’re up against it,” he said. “Why stay in?”

“I’m the voice for getting out of Iraq,” Kucinich recited earnestly. “For universal single-payer health care. For getting out of NAFTA and the WTO. For having our children go to college tuition-free.”................


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From the article cited above:

Kucinich, who spent some of his time away from elected office serving as a Fox News contributor, is a rare politician who is now occupying that sweet spot where Sandersism meets elements of Trumpism.

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I do not like that sweet spot that author likes. That "sweet spot" fills me with sickness. Where I liked Sanders the most was at these moments:

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That is, when he was telling the truth about Trump, and why right populism and left populism do not meet.

Back to Dennis:

Amended ethics filing shows Dennis Kucinich was paid $20k by pro-Syrian government group
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf ... ws_de.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio - After initially not disclosing who paid him to give speeches in 2017, former U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich filed an amended ethics disclosure showing he was paid $20,000 by a group sympathetic to the Syrian government.

Syria's President Bashar Assad has been accused by multiple intelligence agencies of using chemical weapons on his own people in the long-running Syrian Civil War.

The revelation comes when Kucinich has been dogged by his connection to Assad, whom he met with in 2017, in the gubernatorial race. Kucinich, a longtime critic of American involvement with foreign conflict, has questioned whether Assad used chemical weapons.

Kucinich's ethics filing shows a payment of $20,000 from the Association for Investment in Popular Action Committees. Paul LaRudee, treasurer for the organization, described the group as an umbrella nonprofit for other nonprofit organizations.

Among those is the Syria Solidarity Movement, which LaRudee said provided funding for Kucinich to attend a conference hosted by the European Centre for the Study of Extremism in London on April 5-6, 2017.

LaRudee described the group as a human rights organization, but the group's website includes multiple posts supportive of the Syrian government.

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The Association for Investment in Popular Action Committees is headed up by LaRudee and Kamal Obeid. Obeid said he was a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is a truther organization. Obeid has given talks claiming 7 World Trade Center's collapse was a controlled demolition.


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https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/03/27 ... -movement/

Syria Solidarity Steering Committee

On the SSM steering committee is Susan Dirgham, who in turn is linked with the Catholic fundamentalist Mother Agnes Mariam. There is Eva Bartlett, open mouthpiece for the reactionary, chauvinist Putin regime and a proven liar. There is Paul Larudee, former executive of the pro-capitalist Ford Foundation*. There is Sarah Flounders of the International Action Center (IAC) and United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC) – both of which are wholly-owned subsidiaries of the Workers World Party. In 2014, the IAC and UNAC participated in a conference in Russia organized by the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia, which is a fascist-linked group if it is not outright fascist itself. Several European fascist groups were there as well as the racist and fascist US “Confederate League of the South.” UNAC and IAC had no problem meeting with them and returned with glowing reports on the conference. And SSM has no problem having their representative on their steering committee.

Rich Sterling

As for Rick Sterling as an individual, among other things, he is a regular contributor to “TheDuran.com”. This is an openly pro-Putin web site that supports Putin’s links with the racist, chauvinist Marine Le Pen in France. One article, written by a representative of the Putin regime, assures Israel that they and the Russian regime “are friends”. They also carry articles giving political cover to Trump! It’s just the same as UNAC/IAC participation in that fascist-linked conference, and Sterling has no problems associating with these types either. A visit to Sterling’s Facebook page makes clear that he, too, is a supporter of the repressive, chauvinist, neoliberal capitalist Putin regime.

And socialists have no problem giving the podium to this man!

SSM, TheDuran and Sterling, personally, deny the fact of crimes against humanity by Putin, Assad, Rouhani and Hezbollah. They use the same methods as the Holocaust deniers, who use denialism to defend the indefensible.

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While I may not be on the exact same point of the political spectrum as this Oakland socialist :D , his criticisms are spot on.

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Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/about-us/

DENNIS KUCINICH
Mr. Kucinich, the former US Representative from Ohio’s 10th Congressional district, is a leading antiwar and pro-civil liberties voice.

JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO
Judge Napolitano is Senior Judicial Analyst, Fox News Channel. He has published five books, including NY Times Bestseller, "Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History.”Lew

LLEWELLYN ROCKWELL, JR.
Mr. Rockwell is the founder, CEO, and Chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, AL. He is founder of the top libertarian website LewRockwell.com.

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Napolitano has made numerous claims about the American Civil War, which are rejected by historians. These claims include those that the Civil War was President Abraham Lincoln’s war by choice, that slavery was dying anyway, that Lincoln could have freed the slaves by paying the slaveholders, and that Lincoln armed the slaves.[35][36] More specifically, in a Daily Show segment, Napolitano said that Lincoln started the war "because he wanted to preserve the union, because he needed the tariffs from the southern states," a claim rejected by a panel of three distinguished historians of the Civil War: James Oakes, Eric Foner, and Manisha Sinha.[36] Napolitano argued that Lincoln could have solved the slavery question by paying slaveholders to release their slaves, thereby avoiding war.[35] However, Lincoln did offer to pay to free the slaves in Delaware, but the Delaware legislature rejected him.[35] Napolitano also asserted that Lincoln attempted to arm slaves, but two prominent historians of the Civil War said they had never heard of such an effort and PolitiFact rated the claim "pants-on-fire".[35][37] Napolitano has asserted that slavery was dying a natural death at the time of the Civil War, a claim that one of the historians on the Daily Show panel rejected. The historian said, "Slavery was not only viable, it was growing ... This idea that it was dying out or was going to die out is ridiculous."[36]

Sean Spicer Cited A 9/11 Truther To Accuse The British Of Spying On Trump For Obama
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/ ... ama/215723

That 9-11 truther was, of course, Andrew Napolitano.

Why is Kucinich on the board of Ron Paul's organization? Why would he serve with someone like Napolitano also on the board?

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From the article cited above:

Kucinich, who spent some of his time away from elected office serving as a Fox News contributor, is a rare politician who is now occupying that sweet spot where Sandersism meets elements of Trumpism.

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I do not like that sweet spot that author likes. That "sweet spot" fills me with sickness. Where I liked Sanders the most was at these moments:

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That is, when he was telling the truth about Trump, and why right populism and left populism do not meet.

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Amended ethics filing shows Dennis Kucinich was paid $20k by pro-Syrian government group
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf ... ws_de.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio - After initially not disclosing who paid him to give speeches in 2017, former U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich filed an amended ethics disclosure showing he was paid $20,000 by a group sympathetic to the Syrian government.

Syria's President Bashar Assad has been accused by multiple intelligence agencies of using chemical weapons on his own people in the long-running Syrian Civil War.

The revelation comes when Kucinich has been dogged by his connection to Assad, whom he met with in 2017, in the gubernatorial race. Kucinich, a longtime critic of American involvement with foreign conflict, has questioned whether Assad used chemical weapons.

Kucinich's ethics filing shows a payment of $20,000 from the Association for Investment in Popular Action Committees. Paul LaRudee, treasurer for the organization, described the group as an umbrella nonprofit for other nonprofit organizations.

Among those is the Syria Solidarity Movement, which LaRudee said provided funding for Kucinich to attend a conference hosted by the European Centre for the Study of Extremism in London on April 5-6, 2017.

LaRudee described the group as a human rights organization, but the group's website includes multiple posts supportive of the Syrian government.

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The Association for Investment in Popular Action Committees is headed up by LaRudee and Kamal Obeid. Obeid said he was a member of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is a truther organization. Obeid has given talks claiming 7 World Trade Center's collapse was a controlled demolition.


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https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/03/27 ... -movement/

Syria Solidarity Steering Committee

On the SSM steering committee is Susan Dirgham, who in turn is linked with the Catholic fundamentalist Mother Agnes Mariam. There is Eva Bartlett, open mouthpiece for the reactionary, chauvinist Putin regime and a proven liar. There is Paul Larudee, former executive of the pro-capitalist Ford Foundation*. There is Sarah Flounders of the International Action Center (IAC) and United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC) – both of which are wholly-owned subsidiaries of the Workers World Party. In 2014, the IAC and UNAC participated in a conference in Russia organized by the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia, which is a fascist-linked group if it is not outright fascist itself. Several European fascist groups were there as well as the racist and fascist US “Confederate League of the South.” UNAC and IAC had no problem meeting with them and returned with glowing reports on the conference. And SSM has no problem having their representative on their steering committee.

Rich Sterling

As for Rick Sterling as an individual, among other things, he is a regular contributor to “TheDuran.com”. This is an openly pro-Putin web site that supports Putin’s links with the racist, chauvinist Marine Le Pen in France. One article, written by a representative of the Putin regime, assures Israel that they and the Russian regime “are friends”. They also carry articles giving political cover to Trump! It’s just the same as UNAC/IAC participation in that fascist-linked conference, and Sterling has no problems associating with these types either. A visit to Sterling’s Facebook page makes clear that he, too, is a supporter of the repressive, chauvinist, neoliberal capitalist Putin regime.

And socialists have no problem giving the podium to this man!

SSM, TheDuran and Sterling, personally, deny the fact of crimes against humanity by Putin, Assad, Rouhani and Hezbollah. They use the same methods as the Holocaust deniers, who use denialism to defend the indefensible.

[snip][end]

While I may not be on the exact same point of the political spectrum as this Oakland socialist :D , his criticisms are spot on.


heres what it says in the article concerning that spot

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...........“The Democratic Party lost its soul when they made book with corporate America and started taking corporate America’s money, and it blurred the differences between the two parties,” he says in the voice of a larger man, building in volume and pitch. “The American people caught on because the trade agreements that were made under Democratic administrations said they were going to protect jobs, the environment, workers’ rights. None of those things happened. And so all across this state people got used to the idea that the Democrats would say one thing and do another and wouldn’t deliver. And that opened the door for the candidate who won in 2016.” Trump took Ohio by 8 points. “I can be the person who can bring those people who voted for Donald Trump back into the party,” he declares.............


why should Mr. Kuccinich be disbelieved? he has spent his entire career on the correct side of working peoples issues in spite of the ridicule thrown at him for doing so. I can understand cordray feeling uncomfortable and needing something to take attention away from that but it looks kind of desperate.

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Dennis Kucinich statement on Cordray’s smear attack

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Today, the Cordray campaign unleashed a series of attacks attempting to tie me to the Kremlin’s payroll, to 911 deniers, and to the murder of innocents in the Middle East. These cowardly, hysterical and outrageously untrue statements reflect Cordray’s panic that he and the State Capitol power-brokers might lose control of the Ohio Democratic Party and the statehouse.

Cordray will do anything to change the subject from his NRA “A” rating and his support for assault weapons on the streets of America.

The facts: Last year, I attended a peace conference in the UK, at the invitation of EuroCSE (The European Centre for the Study of Extremism, Cambridge http://www.eurocse.org/ ). It was paid for by a civil rights advocacy group in California.

Those in attendance included the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Rt. Rev. and Honorable Lord Dr. Eames, a member of the House of Lords and a leading international peace activist; Baroness Caroline Cox, of the House of Lords, an international humanitarian leader. Here is a YouTube video of other conference speakers:

The purpose of the conference was to bring peace and reconciliation to Syria, not to support the current regime. Here is my opening statement, which was abstracted for a panel discussion:...................

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Taken from RCP:

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GovernorDem Votes Percent (100%) of precincts reporting
Cordray 423,264 62.3
Kucinich 155,694 22.9

Dennis Kucinich got 23% of the primary vote. By the way, I think there were still 4 other candidates in the primary, looks like they got around 15% of the vote, among all of them.

Go out on a limb here, and say Tulsi Gabbard's endorsement didn't help much. ;)

Thanks, Elizabeth Warren, for picking the correct, progressive choice.

P.S. Rich, get rid of that fucking A rating from the NRA, please.

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Dennis was backed by Our Revolution ... one of his few endorsements.

How is Our Revolution doing, electorally, in 2018, so far?

https://ourrevolution.com/results/

So far, two OR candidates (NY and VT) and one backed ballot measure have won.

14 of their candidates have lost.

So, that means about 1/8, or roughly 16% of their candidates they've backed, have won.

OK. Here comes all the usual nonsense about how now by pointing this out I have revealed my true identity as a corporate Bushicon DINO-DLC Democrat. That, in fact, I start each morning thinking of ways to denigrate Bernie Sanders. :roll: Maybe even part of ... "the establishment" ... whatever the fuck that is, exactly.

No, I'm pointing this out because I have a different point.

I consider myself a liberal/progressive. If I had a problem with Kucinich, it wasn't his support for single payer. Although, as I've said, although I guess to some folks this is some kind of heresy, I do think maybe what Democrats could focus on FIRST is a public option. An incremental step - and guess what - incremental improvements and reforms STILL HELP PEOPLE. Theoretically, Medicare for All (what most seem to be backing) would more or less be a public option, not truly single payer, per se. But that's a digression into the weeds I won't go for here.

I just think folks need to be honest. Reality is knocking. Our Revolution can't win everywhere. And yes, here it comes, it's not their fault, they didn't have the right debate schedule, the party didn't give them enough support, Debbie Wasserman Schultz farted at the wrong moment, blah blah blah blah.

Like Philip K. Dick said (and now also Legion on TV), "Reality is that which doesn't go away when you stop believing it".

Maybe folks need to accept the party needs a mix of candidates. I was OK with Conor Lamb. We can argue over who should run the party (in the House). There I know I run into a different problem, at least with one member. I am not wedded to Nancy Pelosi and I understand she's no spring chicken. I personally would like another liberal to replace her. That IS how I roll.

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