Congressional panel votes to release Trump’s tax returns to public

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Drak wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:50 am This is hilarious.

Wow, you sure love to come to a liberal message board and attack everyone here daily then cry and whine and play the victim card.

Sanders and AOC are two people. One of them isn’t a Dem. You can keep calling them socialists and commies, or Marxists, or whatever you’re told to call them, but neither planned a violent attack on the USA and attempted to overthrow the government. Like the evil people you support and vote for.
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Why are both featured on the front page of the DSA website?
DSA the largest socialist political organization in the USA
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:44 pm https://www.dsausa.org/

Why are both featured on the front page of the DSA website?
DSA the largest socialist political organization in the USA
The group can feature whoever they want. Doesn’t mean they are a member.

I mean, if David Duke endorsed DeSantis, does that mean DeSantis is KKK? Yes or no?
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:50 pm The group can feature whoever they want. Doesn’t mean they are a member.

I mean, if David Duke endorsed DeSantis, does that mean DeSantis is KKK? Yes or no?
Once again comparing apples to oranges. They are feature both because both are socialist and proud of it.
They are the main features on the website and they take credit for getting AOC getting elected.
But, you are fine with having socialist run the senate budget committee
" I am a socialist " Bernie Sanders
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:55 pm Once again comparing apples to oranges. They are feature both because both are socialist and proud of it.
They are the main features on the website and they take credit for getting AOC getting elected.
But, you are fine with having socialist run the senate budget committee
And the right is all supportive of QAnon. You know, Hillary running a child sex slave ring out of the basement of a pizza place in DC (that doesn’t have a basement).

And they vote.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:05 am No, it IS what you said. You said:

That would be the infrastructure bill that Biden signed, wouldn't it?
What I call infrastructure and what this administration calls infrastructure vary quite widely. But you ignore the fact that injecting cash into an economy that is experiencing inflation only aggravates the problem. The proof is in the numbers.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:17 pm Umm-hummm.

Okay, this is your logic. You want complete, full-bore oil production at the largest capacity possible.

Well, what that would mean is that we would have a glut on oil production, which would drop the price of oil through the floor. Hey, I'd love to see the price of gas at fifty cents a gallon again, or better yet, 19 cents, which is what I remember from my childhood.

But you don't understand reality. It's oil companies producing the oil. They require a profit (though you may not realize this). You know, when oil production became a thing, in the 1860's and 1870's, you could scratch the ground and oil would come out (an exaggeration, but not by much). It was quite cheap to produce. But now, all those wells are dry, and you have to go deeper and through tougher circumstances to get to the oil. I mean, do you think it's cheap to run offshore rigs?

Now, it's still pretty damned cheap in Saudi Arabia to drill, they've got a lot more oil readily accessible than we do. But much of our oil is hard to get at, so it's a lot more expensive to produce and refine for market. So the Saudis can always undercut us, because their oil is cheaper to bring to market than ours is.

And the oil companies DO NOT WANT A GLUT. They don't WANT cheap gas. They want to make big profits.

So tell me, why would they want to produce at 100% capacity? They don't! They WANT you paying north of $3 a gallon, more like $4 or $5.

But I think they're killing their selves. The higher oil is, the faster people will buy electric cars. They are in trouble in the long run. That's why they are wanting to make as much money as they can until then.

And in the long run, that's a good thing, because we don't WANT to run all the oil reserves dry, because we need oil for many different things. Here's just a small list:

Solvents, Bearing Grease, Ink, Floor Wax, Ballpoint Pens, Football Cleats, Upholstery, Sweaters, Boats, Insecticides, Bicycle Tires, Sports Car Bodies, Nail Polish, Fishing lures, Dresses, Tires, Golf Bags, Perfumes, Cassettes, Dishwasher parts, Tool Boxes, Shoe Polish, Motorcycle Helmets, Caulking, Petroleum Jelly, Transparent Tape, CD Players, Faucet Washers, Antiseptics, Food Preservatives, Basketballs, Soap, Vitamin Capsules, Antihistamines, Purses, Shoes, Dashboards, Cortisone, Deodorant, Putty, Dyes, Panty Hose, Refrigerant, Percolators, Life Jackets, Rubbing Alcohol, Linings, Skis, Electrician’s Tape, Tool Racks, Car Battery Cases, Epoxy, Paint, Mops, Slacks, Insect Repellent, Oil Filters, Umbrellas, Yarn, Fertilizers, Hair Coloring, Roofing, Toilet Seats, Fishing Rods, Lipstick, Denture Adhesive, Linoleum, Ice Cube Trays, Synthetic Rubber, Speakers, Plastic Wood, Electric Blankets, Glycerin, Tennis Rackets, Rubber Cement, Fishing Boots, Dice, Nylon Rope, Candles, Trash Bags, House Paint, Water Pipes, Hand Lotion, Roller Skates, Surf Boards, Shampoo, Wheels, Paint Rollers, Shower Curtains, Guitar Strings, Luggage, Aspirin, Safety Glasses, Antifreeze, Football Helmets, Awnings, Eyeglasses, Clothes, Toothbrushes, Ice Chests, Footballs, Combs, CD’s & DVD’s, Paint Brushes, Detergents, Vaporizers, Balloons, Sun Glasses, Tents, Heart Valves, Crayons, Parachutes, Telephones, Enamel, Pillows, Dishes, Cameras, Anesthetics, Artificial Turf, Artificial limbs, Bandages, Dentures, Model Cars, Folding Doors, Hair Curlers, Cold cream, Movie film, Contact lenses, Drinking Cups, Fan Belts, Shaving Cream, Ammonia, Refrigerators, Golf Balls, Toothpaste

Now, for humanity, don't you think we should find a way to stop just setting this valuable resource aflame? Shouldn't we put money into finding a better power source, and save the oil for these products for much longer?
There is no need to spend all those words to convince me that this administration by its own admission is not supportive of the oil and gas industry. Biden has said it over and over. You ignore what the man said as if he didn’t mean what he said.

So if you are an oil company, a shareholder, an investor, or a lender that’s what you see and that’s what you hear. So no, you aren’t going to invest money over a ten to twenty year period.

Lastly, I think we will eventually develop alternate sources of power. It’s not going to happen overnight and the market will go there on its own. The government needs to get out of the way. And if Biden wants to shut down fossil fuels he needs to be honest with the people about how much these conservation efforts are going to cost at the pump and how much more we will be paying for all those products you listed. That’s one of the drivers of inflation as we have witnessed over the last two years.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:59 pm There is no need to spend all those words to convince me that this administration by its own admission is not supportive of the oil and gas industry. Biden has said it over and over. You ignore what the man said as if he didn’t mean what he said.

So if you are an oil company, a shareholder, an investor, or a lender that’s what you see and that’s what you hear. So no, you aren’t going to invest money over a ten to twenty year period.

Lastly, I think we will eventually develop alternate sources of power. It’s not going to happen overnight and the market will go there on its own. The government needs to get out of the way. And if Biden wants to shut down fossil fuels he needs to be honest with the people about how much these conservation efforts are going to cost at the pump and how much more we will be paying for all those products you listed. That’s one of the drivers of inflation as we have witnessed over the last two years.
Nothing is being shut down. It’s all in your mind, and the silly false talking points you idiots come up with.

Oh yes, it’s all the democrats that drive everything. If Trump had won, there would have been no inflation whatsoever, and the GOP would have made sure there was no high gas prices. You guys would have done so well.

You’ve had two Presidents this century, yet you think another one would be great? I doubt it.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:50 pm The group can feature whoever they want. Doesn’t mean they are a member.

I mean, if David Duke endorsed DeSantis, does that mean DeSantis is KKK? Yes or no?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush and Rashida Tlaib are members of Democratic Socialist of America.

“ What does DSA believe in?

Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state — though the exact specifics of “abolishing capitalism” are fiercely debated by socialists.”

“ While both DSA and some left-wing Democrats agree that the government should provide universal health insurance, DSA ultimately wants to nationalize hospitals, providers, and the rest of the health care system as well. While both will work toward higher taxes on Wall Street, DSA ultimately wants to nationalize the entire financial sector. While left-wing Democrats believe in criminal justice reform, some DSA members are calling for the outright abolition of the police and prison systems.”

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gounion wrote: Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:14 pm Trump’s brazen tax cheating revealed https://www.dcreport.org/2022/12/27/tru ... -revealed/

That’s why we needed to see the taxes - because the IRS, for some reason, aren’t doing their jobs.
“ Terabytes of data. Dozens of prosecutors, investigators and forensic accountants sifting through millions of pages of financial documents. An outside consulting firm drilling down on the arcana of commercial real estate and tax strategies.

That is the monumental task that lies ahead in the Manhattan district attorney’s criminal investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his family business after a United States Supreme Court order on Monday cleared the way for prosecutors to obtain eight years worth of Mr. Trump’s tax returns and other financial records.”

“ Then, the investigators will deliver the mass of data to the office of Mr. Vance, where the team of prosecutors, forensic accountants and analysts have been investigating Mr. Trump and his companies for a wide range of possible financial crimes. Mr. Vance, a Democrat, has been examining whether Mr. Trump, his company and its employees committed insurance, tax and banking fraud, among other crimes, people with knowledge of the matter have said.”

“ Now armed with the records from Mazars — including the tax returns, the business records on which they are based and communications between the Trump Organization and its accountants — prosecutors will be able to see a fuller picture of potential discrepancies between what the company told its lenders and tax authorities.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/nyre ... vance.html

So Vance came up dry looking at 8 years of tax returns and voluminous business records.

The IRS audit of the 2009-2013 taxes. Nothing

But you think this clowns opinion proves crimes. :roll:
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:32 pm Nothing is being shut down. It’s all in your mind, and the silly false talking points you idiots come up with.

Oh yes, it’s all the democrats that drive everything. If Trump had won, there would have been no inflation whatsoever, and the GOP would have made sure there was no high gas prices. You guys would have done so well.

You’ve had two Presidents this century, yet you think another one would be great? I doubt it.
I’m not impressed by either of the Presidents to which you refer. Pretty much bottom of the barrel if you ask me. Neither is what I would call great.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:02 am I’m not impressed by either of the Presidents to which you refer. Pretty much bottom of the barrel if you ask me. Neither is what I would call great.
Obama was a very good President, signed ObamaCare into law, and had the most honest Presidency in modern history. Biden is doing an excellent job in trying times.

Bush II and Trump will go down in history as among the very worst Presidents in the history of the United States of America.

Your party is overrun with crazed idiots who have no intention of governing. We don’t need another idiot Republican President. Your side has done enough damage.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:54 am “ Terabytes of data. Dozens of prosecutors, investigators and forensic accountants sifting through millions of pages of financial documents. An outside consulting firm drilling down on the arcana of commercial real estate and tax strategies.

That is the monumental task that lies ahead in the Manhattan district attorney’s criminal investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his family business after a United States Supreme Court order on Monday cleared the way for prosecutors to obtain eight years worth of Mr. Trump’s tax returns and other financial records.”

“ Then, the investigators will deliver the mass of data to the office of Mr. Vance, where the team of prosecutors, forensic accountants and analysts have been investigating Mr. Trump and his companies for a wide range of possible financial crimes. Mr. Vance, a Democrat, has been examining whether Mr. Trump, his company and its employees committed insurance, tax and banking fraud, among other crimes, people with knowledge of the matter have said.”

“ Now armed with the records from Mazars — including the tax returns, the business records on which they are based and communications between the Trump Organization and its accountants — prosecutors will be able to see a fuller picture of potential discrepancies between what the company told its lenders and tax authorities.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/nyre ... vance.html

So Vance came up dry looking at 8 years of tax returns and voluminous business records.

The IRS audit of the 2009-2013 taxes. Nothing

But you think this clowns opinion proves crimes. :roll:
It’s so damned funny how all you conservatives on this board don’t support Trump, yet you spend all your time telling us how he’s a great businessman and innocent and just a victim of the Democrats, and has never done anything wrong.

The courts just found the Trump corporation guilty of many crimes. His foundation was found guilty of many crimes and Trump and his children have been forbidden from having another charitable foundation. I mean one of his sons stole money from kids with cancer.

And still you support him.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:46 am It’s so damned funny how all you conservatives on this board don’t support Trump, yet you spend all your time telling us how he’s a great businessman and innocent and just a victim of the Democrats, and has never done anything wrong.

The courts just found the Trump corporation guilty of many crimes. His foundation was found guilty of many crimes and Trump and his children have been forbidden from having another charitable foundation. I mean one of his sons stole money from kids with cancer.

And still you support him.
What this says is that conservatives idolize Trump’s crimes. They love the idea of committing fraud and cheating the system on their own taxes, and scamming people out of money for their own personal gain.
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Are the same that burn crosses"

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How Congress Cut Trump’s Taxes
He has benefited from every loophole that lawmakers provided to real-estate businesses.


“ construct a building can obtain depreciation deductions, together with deductions for mortgage interest on the loan. Using “cost segregation,” they can accelerate the depreciation deduction. A large mortgage with a low down payment magnifies the interest deduction. As the property should appreciate in value, it is arguable that a resulting tax loss is artificial. One can borrow against the appreciation to purchase more properties and investments, gaining more deductions.

Unlike the rest of us, “real estate professionals” are exempt from the passive-loss limitations on their rental properties. All their rental losses are deductible. Net operating losses can be carried forward indefinitely until used.

Gains from selling real estate used in a business or for investment can be deferred indefinitely by exchanging the property for another (so-called 1031 exchanges), usually in a three-way transaction using intermediaries, that resembles an outright sale. Should the seller add equity or debt to the exchange, he can obtain a more expensive property with more depreciation and interest deductions. Property sold at a loss can result in an immediate tax deduction.“

“ There are rehabilitation credits, such as for preserving an old building facade. Sometimes a developer will tear down an old building, preserve lower exterior walls at great expense and erect a new skyscraper inside the facade. Credits helped Mr. Trump renovate the Old Post Office in Washington into a hotel. And there is a credit for low-income housing, which might not get built without generous tax incentives.“

“ Conservation easements provide a triple benefit. The donor gets a large charitable deduction for donating a partial interest in property that he continues to own and use. The donor escapes the capital-gains tax on the donation because he didn’t sell it. The deduction can be excessive based on “highest and best use” rather than fair market value. The new appropriations act limits this deduction to 2.5 times a taxpayer’s basis in property held less than three years, but only for partnership syndications, not individuals. A better standard would require deduction values to be based on recent comparable property sales.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/congress-s ... 1672223001

My favorite is “highest and best use”.

Investors can’t go wrong with that one.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:46 am It’s so damned funny how all you conservatives on this board don’t support Trump, yet you spend all your time telling us how he’s a great businessman and innocent and just a victim of the Democrats, and has never done anything wrong.

The courts just found the Trump corporation guilty of many crimes. His foundation was found guilty of many crimes and Trump and his children have been forbidden from having another charitable foundation. I mean one of his sons stole money from kids with cancer.

And still you support him.
What crimes? Other than the finance guy.

And remember it has to be a criminal violation in order to be a crime.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:46 am It’s so damned funny how all you conservatives on this board don’t support Trump, yet you spend all your time telling us how he’s a great businessman and innocent and just a victim of the Democrats, and has never done anything wrong.

The courts just found the Trump corporation guilty of many crimes. His foundation was found guilty of many crimes and Trump and his children have been forbidden from having another charitable foundation. I mean one of his sons stole money from kids with cancer.

And still you support him.
I’m just pointing out he uses highly competent tax professionals who do a real fine job. And fools like you are too ignorant to understand it.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:26 pm What crimes? Other than the finance guy.

And remember it has to be a criminal violation in order to be a crime.
Translation: “Trump forever!”
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:29 pm I’m just pointing out he uses highly competent tax professionals who do a real fine job. And fools like you are too ignorant to understand it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Really? Then why this?
Donald J. Trump’s longtime accounting firm cut ties with him and his family business last week, saying it could no longer stand behind a decade of annual financial statements it prepared for the Trump Organization, court documents show.

The decision, which was disclosed to the company in a Feb. 9 letter from the accounting firm, comes amid criminal and civil investigations into whether Mr. Trump illegally inflated the value of his assets. The firm, Mazars USA, compiled the financial statements based on information the former president and his company provided.

*snip*

Mazars’ acknowledgment that the statements were fundamentally flawed was a potential blow to the Trump Organization as it attempts to fend off the long-running scrutiny of its finances. And for Mr. Trump, whose personal finances are intertwined with those of his family business and who has long faced questions about his taxes, Mazars is the latest in a long line of companies to break with him over the last year, following in the path of several banks, insurers and lawyers.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:34 pm Translation: “Trump forever!”
I understand the law while you got nothin. Remain ignorant. It suits you.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 5:20 pm I understand the law while you got nothin. Remain ignorant. It suits you.
All you understand is how to go to a message board where you can pretend to be something you aren't in real life. You're such a loser that's all you got to make yourself feel important.

And you pretend you're not a Trumper.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:41 pm :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Really? Then why this?
Financial statements aren’t tax returns. And Mazars, while working for trump, took great advantage of the legal advantages afforded by Congress to keep trumps tax liabilities minimal. Quite effectively I might add. Mazars is the tax specialty firm that keeps many, many, real estate investors tax liability very low.

So now trump has to find new tax specialists.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 5:36 pm Financial statements aren’t tax returns. And Mazars, while working for trump, took great advantage of the legal advantages afforded by Congress to keep trumps tax liabilities minimal. Quite effectively I might add. Mazars is the tax specialty firm that keeps many, many, real estate investors tax liability very low.

So now trump has to find new tax specialists.
They said that they would not attest that anything they did for Trump could be relied upon as factual. Why? Because Trump is nothing but a fucking liar.

And everyone knows it.

But go ahead, greengrass, get that nose stuck really far up Trump's butt. You can probably tell if he had a Big Mac or a Quarter Pounder for lunch.
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gounion wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:20 am Obama was a very good President, signed ObamaCare into law, and had the most honest Presidency in modern history. Biden is doing an excellent job in trying times.

Bush II and Trump will go down in history as among the very worst Presidents in the history of the United States of America.

Your party is overrun with crazed idiots who have no intention of governing. We don’t need another idiot Republican President. Your side has done enough damage.
My party? You are the one who is owned by your party.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say Obama ranks at the bottom but he did an okay job. I would say the same for GWB. But Trump and Biden are train wrecks as far as I’m concerned.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:04 am My party? You are the one who is owned by your party.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say Obama ranks at the bottom but he did an okay job. I would say the same for GWB. But Trump and Biden are train wrecks as far as I’m concerned.
No you have no reading comprehension. You ya the GOP Presidents, that will always be ranked at the very bottom. Obama and Biden will be ranked high. Your President were a disaster why should we want more of the same?
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 5:36 pm Financial statements aren’t tax returns. And Mazars, while working for trump, took great advantage of the legal advantages afforded by Congress to keep trumps tax liabilities minimal. Quite effectively I might add. Mazars is the tax specialty firm that keeps many, many, real estate investors tax liability very low.

So now trump has to find new tax specialists.
That’s true. Further, there’s also a difference between a compilation and an audit. In all cases, the accuracy of the information presented is the ultimate responsibility of management. Compilations do not attest to the statements being prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. The procedures performed by the CPA are limited in compilations. That is the reason that a full audit is required for SEC companies because the procedures in an audit are much more robust.
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