Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:28 pm
So is there a number where you believe we are spending to much to quickly.
How high should have president Biden increased spending after the pandemic.
Would you object to 3 trillion 5 20 25.
Or do you just believe that if doesn't matter how much the government spends and they can simply print money to cover it
That is Greengrass's argument. Argue it with him, not me.
I keep asking you why the government should underwrite the church. If you want to give to a church, fine. You just shouldn't be able to deduct it from your taxes.
gounion wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:38 pm
That is Greengrass's argument. Argue it with him, not me.
I keep asking you why the government should underwrite the church. If you want to give to a church, fine. You just shouldn't be able to deduct it from your taxes.
Because the church is a charity by definition and the constitution guarantees a separation between church and state.
Why do you hate religion so much in general and Christianity in general.
You know not once has anyone here ever badmouthed the Muslim faith except me. All the left were offended and I got suspended.
Got to run back to poker table. On vacation at WSOP.
Just for the really ignorant. The unsold bread becomes a business expense that get written off. That means it’s deducted from gross revenues and reduces net profit. Quite possibly the Panera folks don’t bother with a tax deduction and just use the expense. The good part is the bread doesn’t go to waste. It gets properly used.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:47 pm
Because the church is a charity by definition and the constitution guarantees a separation between church and state.
Why do you hate religion so much in general and Christianity in general.
You know not once has anyone here ever badmouthed the Muslim faith except me. All the left were offended and I got suspended.
Got to run back to poker table. On vacation at WSOP.
Religion is not a charity. The amount of money churches spend on charities is usually quite tiny. Most of it is spent on crystal cathedrals and overpaid preachers.
I'm for freedom of religion. If you want to build a church, pay for it, don't deduct it.
Bludogdem wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:51 pm
Just for the really ignorant. The unsold bread becomes a business expense that get written off. That means it’s deducted from gross revenues and reduces net profit. Quite possibly the Panera folks don’t bother with a tax deduction and just use the expense. The good part is the bread doesn’t go to waste. It gets properly used.
They probably are spending more money on advertising their good deeds than the bread costs. But that's what doing charity work is to corporations - otherwise they are breaking their fiduciary duty to their stockholders.
gounion wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:48 am
So you don’t give a shit about the deficit or the debt. Got it.
So don’t you EVER bitch about not having enough money to pay the bills. That’s how the right works. They only pretend to be worried about the debt when the Dems are in office.
Of course, your solution to the debt is to give the rich even bigger tax cuts.
I didn’t say that. I Simply pointed out that tax policy doesn’t go to other tax payers to cover charitable or business deductions. It just doesn’t work that way. Not surprised you have no clue though.
gounion wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:51 pm
Religion is not a charity. The amount of money churches spend on charities is usually quite tiny. Most of it is spent on crystal cathedrals and overpaid preachers.
I'm for freedom of religion. If you want to build a church, pay for it, don't deduct it.
You haven’t a clue what religious organizations do. The grass roots level far outweighs the rare crystal palace.
“Faith-Inspired Nonprofits Provide 40 Percent of Social Safety Net Spending but Can Still Be Overlooked by Donors, According to New Bridgespan Group Research”
Bludogdem wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:03 pm
You haven’t a clue what religious organizations do. The grass roots level far outweighs the rare crystal palace.
“Faith-Inspired Nonprofits Provide 40 Percent of Social Safety Net Spending but Can Still Be Overlooked by Donors, According to New Bridgespan Group Research”
Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:47 pm
Because the church is a charity by definition and the constitution guarantees a separation between church and state.
Why do you hate religion so much in general and Christianity in general.
You know not once has anyone here ever badmouthed the Muslim faith except me. All the left were offended and I got suspended.
Got to run back to poker table. On vacation at WSOP.
The issue is that we don’t target the deduction to churches. It charitable organizations. We have always encouraged charitable giving thru tax policy. Churches just happen to be one of those charities. What is being proposed here is to strip churches of that status. Good luck with that.
Of course if the argument is having government “underwrite” charity, maybe the proposal should be to eliminate the deduction all together. Good luck with that as well.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:08 pm
The issue is that we don’t target the deduction to churches. It charitable organizations. We have always encouraged charitable giving thru tax policy. Churches just happen to be one of those charities. What is being proposed here is to strip churches of that status. Good luck with that.
Of course if the argument is having government “underwrite” charity, maybe the proposal should be to eliminate the deduction all together. Good luck with that as well.
So you think it’s better to give money to Jerry Falwell than it is to pay your taxes. Got it.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:08 pm
The issue is that we don’t target the deduction to churches. It charitable organizations. We have always encouraged charitable giving thru tax policy. Churches just happen to be one of those charities. What is being proposed here is to strip churches of that status. Good luck with that.
Of course if the argument is having government “underwrite” charity, maybe the proposal should be to eliminate the deduction all together. Good luck with that as well.
It’s hilarious how you just can’t help yourself. You HAVE to reply to me - you just reply to Glenn instead to pretend you aren’t!
“The Salvation Army says it doesn’t discriminate against LGBTQ people. Critics say that’s not true.
The organization does a lot to help underserved people, including members of the LGBTQ community. Still, it has a long history of alleged discrimination.”
“The Salvation Army says it doesn’t discriminate against LGBTQ people. Critics say that’s not true.
The organization does a lot to help underserved people, including members of the LGBTQ community. Still, it has a long history of alleged discrimination.”
Bludogdem wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:03 pm
You haven’t a clue what religious organizations do. The grass roots level far outweighs the rare crystal palace.
“Faith-Inspired Nonprofits Provide 40 Percent of Social Safety Net Spending but Can Still Be Overlooked by Donors, According to New Bridgespan Group Research”
gounion wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:22 pm
Yeah, if you don’t support gays, it’s fine to say “Well, they SAY they’re going to do better, good enough for me!’
That’s how you conservatives roll.
Been a long and strong supporter of gay rights.
Salvation Army does good work. They are working on the flaws. It takes time. Your ignorant all or nothing stance is counterproductive but not surprising.
Bludogdem wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:50 am
Been a long and strong supporter of gay rights.
Salvation Army does good work. They are working on the flaws. It takes time. Your ignorant all or nothing stance is counterproductive but not surprising.
No you have not. Oh, you pretend, you always have throughout all your sock accounts. But when it comes down to it, you don't support them. Just like now. Don't see you complaining about DeSantis going after trans rights either. You'll vote against gays all day long while pretending you support them.
It's definitely true that a lot of these donations come from family trusts. They're not that hard to set up and you don't have to be Elon Musk to afford it. We have one, not to mention an LLC.
It's related to the tax system in that it's the major reason people create them. Not just income taxes but estate.
Once again, we see the advantage in this tax system of being able to afford lawyers. The working poor aren't so lucky.
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