Censorship at its finest

[Libertas]

Nothing new at RFL, con makes completely untrue statement and then spends hours defending it. Other cons come on and defend same completely untrue statement.

Truth matters NOT AT ALL to cons.

[Libertas]

Then you don't support the mission of the FDA ... but I do.

They dont support it now because the likes of Steve BAnnon and trump (one is not a moron but is a crook, the other is a moron and a crook) tell them not to. It is that simple.

NONE Of them had these anti science attitudes until those two told them to. Sure they were dumb when it came to science, because they are cons, but they werent anti the most basic stuff.

[JoeMemphis]

Then you don't support the mission of the FDA ... but I do. (That's not to say I haven't disagreed on occasion with some of their positions; that happens; I don't know of any government agency where I haven't had some skepticism.)

Oh I support the mission of the FDA. They can speak for themselves and I place a great deal of weight on what they say. I just don’t trust the government to be arbiter of what is or is not misinformation. Those are two different things. I think people are smart enough to decide for themselves and I trust them to do that.

[gounion]

Oh I support the mission of the FDA. They can speak for themselves and I place a great deal of weight on what they say. I just don’t trust the government to be arbiter of what is or is not misinformation. Those are two different things. I think people are smart enough to decide for themselves and I trust them to do that.

You believe what the right says.

Trump can tell people to drink bleach, and you attack instead the FDA.

You have your ideology, and you just don't give a shit for facts and reality.

[ProfX]

In some areas, the FDA simply provides advisories. They won't shut down the Heart Attack Grill, and all they do is put a warning on a pack of cigarettes, since 1964 anyway.

I think when it comes to some things, they should provide recommendations and let people decide -- sure.

But the FTC, the FDA, and other agencies need to regulate and not just recommend. If you're selling a product that you claim is safe and effective for treating a medical condition, you should not be allowed to misinform the public on that. Nope. They should shut you down.

[JoeMemphis]

In some areas, the FDA simply provides advisories. They won't shut down the Heart Attack Grill, and all they do is put a warning on a pack of cigarettes, since 1964 anyway.

I think when it comes to some things, they should provide recommendations and let people decide -- sure.

But the FTC, the FDA, and other agencies need to regulate and not just recommend. If you're selling a product that you claim is safe and effective for treating a medical condition, you should not be allowed to misinform the public on that. Nope. They should shut you down.

I have no issue with the regulatory authority of the FDA over manufacturers and distributors. However, folks outside that circle are free to express their opinions regardless of whether the govt likes what they have to say. I don’t know of anyone who says otherwise.

[gounion]

I have no issue with the regulatory authority of the FDA over manufacturers and distributors. However, folks outside that circle are free to express their opinions regardless of whether the govt likes what they have to say. I don’t know of anyone who says otherwise.

Yes you are free to state the opinion that, for instance, the moon is made of cheese. You are arguing for your right to be an idiot.

[Glennfs]

Glenn wants RFK Jr in the race because he thinks he hopes RFK Jr can take enough votes from Biden to hand the election to Trump.

As for RFK, those who have known me on the boards a long time might remember I used to have a pic of the three Kennedy Brothers, and a sig that said "My heroes have always been Kennedys, and they still are, it seems".

I am angered, shocked and disheartened by the mud RFK Jr has smeared on his family's fine name.

Why do you lie so much? Are you so insecure that you have some sort of deep seated belief that by constantly lying it makes you feel somehow important.

No I do not want Donald Trump to be president. What is so hard to understand about that statement.

As for the Kennedy's having a fine family name nothing could be further from the truth. They are basically a family of wealthy white trash.

[gounion]

Why do you lie so much? Are you so insecure that you have some sort of deep seated belief that by constantly lying it makes you feel somehow important.

No I do not want Donald Trump to be president. What is so hard to understand about that statement.

As for the Kennedy's having a fine family name nothing could be further from the truth. They are basically a family of wealthy white trash.

You defend Trump every damned minute. You attack anyone who says a bad word about him. A US jury found that Trump RAPED E. Jean Carroll, and of course you say they are all wrong, that Donald Trump would never do such a thing, and you attack the woman, just like Trump tells you to.

You say that Trump can't and shouldn't be jailed, no matter WHAT he did. You support him every minute of the day.

Your actions surrounding Trump say it all. You'll say "I don't want Trump to be President" but every OTHER is post is defending Trump, using his own talking points, and attacking everyone else using his talking points, and defending him against all charges, using his talking points.

If you would agree with us on Trump, it might be different. But you don't. You swore you would believe whatever AG Garland decided, and would agree with any charges he brought, but you don't. You are fighting them too. You won't admit Trump did anything wrong.

AG Garland says Jan 6th was an insurrection. You disagree, of course, and say that Trump called for a peaceful protest. So, you won't agree when the charges are filed in the next few days or weeks. I told you a long time ago you wouldn't, and you said you WOULD accept whatever AG Garland put forth. And you don't.

[Glennfs]

You defend Trump every damned minute. You attack anyone who says a bad word about him. A US jury found that Trump RAPED E. Jean Carroll, and of course you say they are all wrong, that Donald Trump would never do such a thing, and you attack the woman, just like Trump tells you to.

You say that Trump can't and shouldn't be jailed, no matter WHAT he did. You support him every minute of the day.

Your actions surrounding Trump say it all. You'll say "I don't want Trump to be President" but every OTHER is post is defending Trump, using his own talking points, and attacking everyone else using his talking points, and defending him against all charges, using his talking points.

If you would agree with us on Trump, it might be different. But you don't. You swore you would believe whatever AG Garland decided, and would agree with any charges he brought, but you don't. You are fighting them too. You won't admit Trump did anything wrong.

AG Garland says Jan 6th was an insurrection. You disagree, of course, and say that Trump called for a peaceful protest. So, you won't agree when the charges are filed in the next few days or weeks. I told you a long time ago you wouldn't, and you said you WOULD accept whatever AG Garland put forth. And you don't.

This thread is about democratic party censorship.

[gounion]

This thread is about democratic party censorship.

Which isn’t a thing.

[ProfX]

Yes you are free to state the opinion that, for instance, the moon is made of cheese. You are arguing for your right to be an idiot.

You can say whatever you want: the Moon is made of green cheese, Hitler has been cloned and is alive in Brazil, birds aren't real , etc. I absolutely agree the government shouldn't normally police misinformation.

Where I disagree is where medical misinformation presents imminent harm. If you post that a life-saving medicine people need in fact will turn them magnetic and all their metal objects will start sticking to them, people will die. Any company that wants to sell snake oil will not post it under its own company name, they will get "testimonials" for their miracle bleach from ordinary "influencers".

Then there's political misinformation. If you post that the election has been moved to Friday when it really is on Tuesday, and target certain groups with these messages to suppress their votes, that is not OK.

[bird]

Why do you lie so much? Are you so insecure that you have some sort of deep seated belief that by constantly lying it makes you feel somehow important.

No I do not want Donald Trump to be president. What is so hard to understand about that statement.

As for the Kennedy's having a fine family name nothing could be further from the truth. They are basically a family of wealthy white trash.

Just like the Bush family and the Reagan family.

You know something? Wealth and/or fame has a tendency to do that. It doesn’t always but a lot of the time it does.

[Glennfs]

Just like the Bush family and the Reagan family.

You know something? Wealth and/or fame has a tendency to do that. It doesn’t always but a lot of the time it does.

Actually not even close to either when it comes to white trash the Kennedy family takes the cake.
Old Joe
2 of the 3 sons
The funny thing is all the females are very decent people. While all the males except for Joe Jr were simply white trash

[gounion]

Actually not even close to either when it comes to white trash the Kennedy family takes the cake.
Old Joe
2 of the 3 sons
The funny thing is all the females are very decent people. While all the males except for Joe Jr were simply white trash

This is the guy with President Trump telling us how bad the Kennedys are.

[bird]

Actually not even close to either when it comes to white trash the Kennedy family takes the cake.
Old Joe
2 of the 3 sons
The funny thing is all the females are very decent people. While all the males except for Joe Jr were simply white trash

The Bush family is damn close. The Walkers and Bushes were shite. Ronnie Jr., iirc, had no use for his divorced old man.

Herein lies the problem, everybody is guilty of judging other people. It seems that pointing out the alleged moral failings of “the other” serves to make those judging feel better about their own moral failings. Was Joe Kennedy a piece of crap? You betcha. So were the Founders to a degree, most politicians, hell, most people. They just are not shitty all the time about everything. Children aren’t until the adults in their lives make them that way.

[Drak]

I’ll say it again. You notice how quickly Glennfs comes to this board to parrot the latest RW talking points? He has no ability to think for himself. He’s programmed.

[ZoWie]

You can say whatever you want: the Moon is made of green cheese, Hitler has been cloned and is alive in Brazil, birds aren't real , etc. I absolutely agree the government shouldn't normally police misinformation.

Where I disagree is where medical misinformation presents imminent harm. If you post that a life-saving medicine people need in fact will turn them magnetic and all their metal objects will start sticking to them, people will die. Any company that wants to sell snake oil will not post it under its own company name, they will get "testimonials" for their miracle bleach from ordinary "influencers".

Then there's political misinformation. If you post that the election has been moved to Friday when it really is on Tuesday, and target certain groups with these messages to suppress their votes, that is not OK.

It's also important to distinguish between misinformation and disinformation. Misinformation can be unintentional, if a person is simply repeating false information that they think is true, and we've all done that at one time or another. It does not necessarily imply an intent to deceive.

Disinformation, however is intentionally crafted to deceive, or at least to muddy situations and confuse people and hopefully to reduce an opponent's voter turnout. There is always an intent to deceive, or at least to "jam" an information channel so nothing of substance gets through at all.

If you say an election is Friday because you don't know any better, that's misinformation. People do slip up, remember things wrong, or make guesses they shouldn't.

Now... if you know the election is Tuesday and you post or advertise that it's Friday because you have an intent to deceive, you are doing disinformation. Or, worse, if you try to link a candidate to some archetypal threat in the popular perception, you are doing disinformation. Russia has whole departments for this, and they go way back with it, and they know just how to do it.

The ads posted on Facebook, slanted to play best in key districts of the 2016 presidential election that had been identified by Cambridge Analytics and the KGB/GRU/SVR, were disinformation. They were very carefully targeted to reach districts which were known to be swing voters. They used a type of propaganda that was also used effectively in WWII, ironically called "black propaganda," where you make people think the other side's doing it. I say "ironically" because in this case they posted fake BLM ads with psychologically calculated content, in order to create racial unrest which affected just enough voters to make a difference.

Misinformation can be fought, at least partially, by making sure everyone's got the real poop. Disinformation is tougher, because people probably want to believe it if it's done up to the usual Russian standards. Not to say that no one else does this stuff. The US for example has a whole psyops department. Russia, though, has been at it longer than most others, and they're good.

Soon, the means of creating deepfakes and black propaganda will be in most consumer software, and here's another reason to educate people on the implications of commercial AI.