Conservatives just don’t think things through…

[gounion]

It has been long-standing cultural practice in the western world to refer to manufactured vehicles as “she”. Boats, ships, aircraft, and yes, cars and trucks as “she”.

So you idiots that puts “truck nuts” on your vehicle just made them transgender….

[ZoWie]

You're right, but you're on the wrong side of history. Most males in this culture have adopted light trucks and SUVs as male symbols, and essentially a defense against the cultural push toward gender equality and inclusion of alternate sexuality. It was always the first manifestation of our current failure of nerve and resulting invocation of the most basic traditions of past European cultural delusion. As always, the people doing it don't want to know that, and in fact they will call me some kind of wuss, faggot, or worse just for saying so.

[gounion]

Yeah, it's about their dick size, but they never call the Truck "Larry". They see them as a she. Believe me, I was raised redneck, and most of my rowdy friends were rednecks too.

[Number6]

It has been long-standing cultural practice in the western world to refer to manufactured vehicles as “she”. Boats, ships, aircraft, and yes, cars and trucks as “she”.

So you idiots that puts “truck nuts” on your vehicle just made them transgender….

[Number6]

You're right, but you're on the wrong side of history. Most males in this culture have adopted light trucks and SUVs as male symbols, and essentially a defense against the cultural push toward gender equality and inclusion of alternate sexuality. It was always the first manifestation of our current failure of nerve and resulting invocation of the most basic traditions of past European cultural delusion. As always, the people doing it don't want to know that, and in fact they will call me some kind of wuss, faggot, or worse just for saying so.

I'm going to disagree to a certain point. Many people who own a pickup do so because that's the type of vehicle their parent owned and needed. In rural areas, a pickup truck is a necessity rather than a choice. I'll agree that in cities and suburbs, a pickup truck isn't necessary, unless the owner is in a business that needs it, and it is a reflection on the masculinity of the owner.

As for SUVs, I've seen a lot of people who own a SUV because they don't want the now nearly extinct station wagon, a mini-van, or a pickup truck. They want something that will have enough room to hold cargo, people, easy to drive, and is stylish. I, myself, own a CR-V SUV because of those reasons. I always owned a sedan and since buying my CR-V in 2007 I don't ever want to own a sedan again. My CR-V has been in the shop for about two weeks while they try to fix the air conditioner and I'm driving a loner car, a Honda Accord sedan. The car is nice but getting into a car that's lower than the CR-V is harder for me at 72. Just a note here, when I was looking for a new car I was looking at a sedan but my friend showed me her new 2007 CR-V and I was impressed with it. I took a test drive from the dealer and I decided that's the car for me. BTW, I've driven pickups but I never did like them and I couldn't see having one as my primary vehicle.

[JoeMemphis]

I'm going to disagree to a certain point. Many people who own a pickup do so because that's the type of vehicle their parent owned and needed. In rural areas, a pickup truck is a necessity rather than a choice. I'll agree that in cities and suburbs, a pickup truck isn't necessary, unless the owner is in a business that needs it, and it is a reflection on the masculinity of the owner.

As for SUVs, I've seen a lot of people who own a SUV because they don't want the now nearly extinct station wagon, a mini-van, or a pickup truck. They want something that will have enough room to hold cargo, people, easy to drive, and is stylish. I, myself, own a CR-V SUV because of those reasons. I always owned a sedan and since buying my CR-V in 2007 I don't ever want to own a sedan again. My CR-V has been in the shop for about two weeks while they try to fix the air conditioner and I'm driving a loner car, a Honda Accord sedan. The car is nice but getting into a car that's lower than the CR-V is harder for me at 72. Just a note here, when I was looking for a new car I was looking at a sedan but my friend showed me her new 2007 CR-V and I was impressed with it. I took a test drive from the dealer and I decided that's the car for me. BTW, I've driven pickups but I never did like them and I couldn't see having one as my primary vehicle.

I dunno about all the supposed psychology about men and trucks. All I can say is that I have driven trucks all my life. My first was a 64 Chevy that my grandfather bought brand new off the line, passed along to my father and then to me at 16. I had that truck up until about 7 or 8 years ago when I gave it to my cousin who wanted it to restore. So it’s still in the family. We drove trucks on the farm. IMO no other vehicle is as useful as a truck so driving anything else, to me, is just a poor substitute. Especially today, modern trucks drive almost as well as a car. I would not want to own anything else.

[Number6]

I dunno about all the supposed psychology about men and trucks. All I can say is that I have driven trucks all my life. My first was a 64 Chevy that my grandfather bought brand new off the line, passed along to my father and then to me at 16. I had that truck up until about 7 or 8 years ago when I gave it to my cousin who wanted it to restore. So it’s still in the family. We drove trucks on the farm. IMO no other vehicle is as useful as a truck so driving anything else, to me, is just a poor substitute. Especially today, modern trucks drive almost as well as a car. I would not want to own anything else.

It sounds like you grew up with trucks and that was part of my point. Trucks are ingrained into you as the vehicle of choice because that's what your parents drove and that's what you're used to. I was used to driving sedans because that's what my parents drove. One year, when I came back from overseas and looking for a car, my father suggested I buy a pickup truck. I asked why and he said so I could haul a lot of stuff. I told him I didn't have a lot of stuff to haul. I ended up buying a sedan.

A lot of the decision as to what type of car to buy comes down to what a person grew up with.

[bradman]

Dad came from the farm. We always had a 3/4 - 1 ton truck. It was a work truck that wasn't meant to be used to drive to work or to get groceries. Doings so would have been a waste of fuel. Worse still, you'd be putting un-necessary hours on a valuable piece of equipment that was meant for a specific purpose. Hauling shit. And if it's not doing that it should be parked in it's proper place over by the machine shed.

Mine sits along side the shop. It's now more of a family hauler since i retired. The keys hang in the shop and if anyone needs a heavy hauler they're more than welcome to it. Before retirement my last work vehicle was a 4 cyl. Chevy cavalier. Before that, Saturn's. Nowadays we are down to the truck and my wife's Rav4. i can schedule my errands around her use and we save even more money.

[Glennfs]

First you are assuming that people who do that are conservatives. When in fact I doubt that even 1 out of 100 have ever voted.

Also there are so few of those I can't remember the last time I've seen one.

[gounion]

First you are assuming that people who do that are conservatives. When in fact I doubt that even 1 out of 100 have ever voted.

Also there are so few of those I can't remember the last time I've seen one.

Fuck it’s just a joke! I thought you had a sense of humor1

[bradman]

Fuck it’s just a joke! I thought you had a sense of humor1

[Glennfs]

Fuck it’s just a joke! I thought you had a sense of humor1

I just didn't think it through

Or how to set up a joke 101

[JoeMemphis]

Dad came from the farm. We always had a 3/4 - 1 ton truck. It was a work truck that wasn't meant to be used to drive to work or to get groceries. Doings so would have been a waste of fuel. Worse still, you'd be putting un-necessary hours on a valuable piece of equipment that was meant for a specific purpose. Hauling shit. And if it's not doing that it should be parked in it's proper place over by the machine shed.

Mine sits along side the shop. It's now more of a family hauler since i retired. The keys hang in the shop and if anyone needs a heavy hauler they're more than welcome to it. Before retirement my last work vehicle was a 4 cyl. Chevy cavalier. Before that, Saturn's. Nowadays we are down to the truck and my wife's Rav4. i can schedule my errands around her use and we save even more money.

That ole white Chevy truck was the only choice I had at the time. It was that or a bike. Most of my friends had cars. What I learned is that if you drive a car, you are one of thousands but people noticed trucks. Folks I knew saw me coming and they waved. It was a three speed on the column. You don’t see those anymore. But I drove that thru high school and college. Took it to the prom. Last I checked it was still running.

[gounion]

I just didn't think it through

Or how to set up a joke 101

You just have a chip on your shoulder. Especially about trans people.

[ZoWie]

I have no problem getting noticed, but then my ride wouldn't be very practical as a family car. It was designed for sustained high speeds on the Autobahn. That's kind of an LA thing. It's overkill for pooting around town, but at least it's still fun to hear "nice car" three times a day.

If I need a pickup or a box truck, I rent one.

I haven't needed one in years. I don't schlep movie gear around any more, and still photo gear fits nicely in a couple of bags.

SUV's became the mainstream, for whatever reason. I never really gave it much thought. They became standard issue for families schlepping kids and sports gear and groceries around, then it all kind of converged on hatchbacks. The choice seems to be a midsize one or an old-school big one. Cops drive around in them. GM stopped making anything else. We're a long way from the Cadillacs of yore to the watered-down utility vehicles with that name now. Might as well get a Chevy Tahoe.

I don't even want to understand the reasons for the switch. I don't care what you ride around in.

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I do realize that it's a matter of upbringing, culture, and personal needs.

I'm not going to force any kind of car on anyone because:

1. It depends on the individual's situation,

2. It depends on the individual's taste,

3. It depends on the individual's values,

and

4. All too often it reflects life choices that guys tend to defend with their raised fists.

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What I will say is that stylists are off on some kind of tangent that looks more like the art direction of Transformers flicks than anything dictated by the use of the vehicle. Right now the cutting edge looks a bit too much like a dagger for me to ever drop a ton of money on it. Too trendy, too showy, too electronic. It only reminds me of a culture that I don't really care to participate in.

[gounion]

When we were young, a pickup was never a family vehicle. No back seats in trucks. My dad liked old Chevy pickups, he had three 55 chevys, bought them all cheap and we usually had at least one running. Though my old cousin lived with us, I was the only one besides dad that could correctly use the choke and the foot pedal starter to start it without flooding it. It helped me discover my affinity for running machinery.

And anyone who champions trucks as good for families doesn’t remember how REAL trucks ran back then, and they beat you to death on the road. Only thing worse was a jeep. Girls in my day were FAR more impressed with a Camaro. Now, my ‘99 Quad Cab Dodge Ram was a great truck, rode well, and was very nice inside. But you needed to bring a fat wallet if you wanted to drive it.

[ZoWie]

Real trucks are a whole nutter thing.

Lots of those on movie shoots. Of course, if it's union, you have to be a Teamster to get on a transportation crew and drive one to locations. That really is the best job in the movie business.
Pickups with back seats used to be called crew cabs. Couldn't make a movie without them.

What I remember mostly is those little Japanese pickups that everyone had to have at one time, before it became standard for rich kids to drive off to college in full size pickups or expensive GMCs. The people I knew in Big Sur where they had a lot of dirt roads drove 4WD Land Rovers for the most part. Not Range Rovers, the real thing, with the winch on the front. Choice of 9 out of 10 professional weed growers.

Something to be said for real trucks, actually. The good ones can be maintained forever.

[Number6]

I have no problem getting noticed, but then my ride wouldn't be very practical as a family car. It was designed for sustained high speeds on the Autobahn. That's kind of an LA thing. It's overkill for pooting around town, but at least it's still fun to hear "nice car" three times a day.

I owned a used early 80s Volvo 264GL in the 80s in Germany and England and then in the 90s I owned a used 80s-something Mercedes in both countries. Both cars were European spec and looked great for their times. I made sure I had high-speed rated tires for the Autobahn because I did like driving over 100 mph and hour. Both cars would easily be considered "family cars." The thing that got me laughing was in Germany it wasn't uncommon to see most of the taxis were Mercedes that in the U.S. would have been considered a luxury car.

[Number6]

Fuck it’s just a joke! I thought you had a sense of humor1

Kind of hard for anyone not to recognize it as a joke.

[gounion]

Kind of hard for anyone not to recognize it as a joke.

Plus the laughing smilies are usually a dead giveaway.

Glenn can't take a joke.

[Glennfs]

Plus the laughing smilies are usually a dead giveaway.

Glenn can't take a joke.

I guess my set up went over your head.

[gounion]

I guess my set up went over your head.

Oh bullshit. You're trying to pretend your way out. You proved you have a chip on your shoulder.