Dies anyone understand this Trump PAC stuff

[Glennfs]

https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/29/60-million ... egal-fees/

The PAC that has been paying Trump's legal bills is asking for a 60mil refund from the Trump super pac.

Would that indicate that Trump is going to use his campaign money to pay bills. Which would mean he would have no money to run a campaign .

Which hopefully would make him bow out. However on the other hand he might be so popular among his supporters that all he needs is his name on the ballot to win the primary.

Which in turn would be a bonanza for Biden. As he ( Biden) could once again run a very limited campaign. As Trump would be forced to due to lack of funds.

One thing for sure is it's going to be a very odd campaign season.

[gounion]

https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/29/60-million ... egal-fees/

The PAC that has been paying Trump's legal bills is asking for a 60mil refund from the Trump super pac.

Would that indicate that Trump is going to use his campaign money to pay bills. Which would mean he would have no money to run a campaign .

Which hopefully would make him bow out. However on the other hand he might be so popular among his supporters that all he needs is his name on the ballot to win the primary.

Which in turn would be a bonanza for Biden. As he ( Biden) could once again run a very limited campaign. As Trump would be forced to due to lack of funds.

One thing for sure is it's going to be a very odd campaign season.

Why? Trump doesn't pay his campaign bills anyway. He's stiffed city after city. And he doesn't need to advertise when conservative and mainstream media give him all the free media he could want.

He won't EVER bow out for any reason. He feels he has to win to stay out of prison. So quit making up scenarios where Trump doesn't matter. Because you know he does.

[Glennfs]

Why? Trump doesn't pay his campaign bills anyway. He's stiffed city after city. And he doesn't need to advertise when conservative and mainstream media give him all the free media he could want.

He won't EVER bow out for any reason. He feels he has to win to stay out of prison. So quit making up scenarios where Trump doesn't matter. Because you know he does.

I was thinking along the lines that he might not have the money to fund a campaign.

[gounion]

I was thinking along the lines that he might not have the money to fund a campaign.

Again, he doesn't pay campaign bills anyway. So what matters if he doesn't have the money?

[Glennfs]

Again, he doesn't pay campaign bills anyway. So what matters if he doesn't have the money?

What a deep thinker you are. No discussion just repeat the talking point

[gounion]

What a deep thinker you are. No discussion just repeat the talking point

You're just making this shit up. It's not talking points. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/0 ... lls-039631

Donald Trump has raised record amounts of money as a presidential candidate. But he’s still left a slew of unpaid bills in his wake.

In city after city, across the nation, Trump has failed to pay local officials who provide thousands of dollars’ worth of security assistance to the president’s campaign during his Make America Great Again rallies.

In total, at least 10 cities have complained that the campaign has not reimbursed them for services provided by local police and fire departments, totaling more than $840,000, according to a study by theCenter for Public Integrity in June.

And you are so deep in Trump's ass, you can't even admit that's what he does. After all, he's a great businessman, right?

[ProfX]

Would that indicate that Trump is going to use his campaign money to pay bills.

That strikes me as a campaign finance violation. Campaign funds are not supposed to go toward your legal expenses.

[Glennfs]

That strikes me as a campaign finance violation. Campaign funds are not supposed to go toward your legal expenses.

I was thinking there must be some sort of loophole allowing him to do that.
Even if he doesn't know he is under a microscope surely his advisors know it.

[Glennfs]

You're just making this shit up. It's not talking points. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/0 ... lls-039631



And you are so deep in Trump's ass, you can't even admit that's what he does. After all, he's a great businessman, right?

Again zero chance of an actual discussion

[gounion]

Again zero chance of an actual discussion

You don't want an actual discussion.

If you did, you'd wonder "Is he breaking the law"?

You just want to pretend you aren't for Trump. If you weren't you'd be asking far different questions.

The truth is, he's bringing in plenty of money. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/0 ... r-00104768

Donald Trump nearly doubled his fundraising during the second quarter of 2023 — an indication that his legal troubles are propelling his campaign financially.

The former president’s joint fundraising committee raked in more than $35 million, according to a campaign official. That figure is about twice the $18.8 million the committee raised during the first quarter of the year. The joint fundraising committee is split between two entities: Trump’s official campaign, and his leadership political action committee, Save America.

The official did not break down how much of the $35 million-plus went to the campaign and how much went to the PAC. But the most recent fundraising solicitations direct 90 percent of each donation to the former and the remaining 10 percent to the latter. The PAC focuses its spending on non-campaign activity, including paying the former president’s legal bills.

The total amount raised is likely to further cement Trump’s status as the frontrunner for the Republican nomination. It also underscores that the twin indictments he’s facing — with the possibility of more to come — are mobilizing his base of online donors. The average donation was $34.20, according to his campaign.

Now you have the facts. Discuss.

[gounion]

Of course, we all know Trump is a crook in all his business dealings, and pays no attention to the law. Luckily, a Grand Jury is looking at it. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... cbef24c283

Time for Glenn and Green Grass to say Trump is innocent as the driven snow and this is just Biden "weaponizing the justice department against Trump".

[Bludogdem]

I’m pretty sure trump knows he can’t win.

But he loves being the attention hog.

So he stays in the race for two distinct reasons. He lives the attention. And he loves that he doesn’t have to pay the cost of his mounting legal woes out of his own pocket. And softens the blow of being a looser.

[gounion]

I’m pretty sure trump knows he can’t win.

But he loves being the attention hog.

So he stays in the race for two distinct reasons. He lives the attention. And he loves that he doesn’t have to pay the cost of his mounting legal woes out of his own pocket. And softens the blow of being a looser.

Yeah, more bullshit.

First, Trump’s ego won’t let him think he can’t win. In 2016, his plan was to lose to Hillary and say that he won and she stole it, and to make lots of money trying to destroy her for the next four years.

But now? Not only does he think he can win, he knows he HAS to win or go to prison.

But I do remember when he first was running in 2015 - he said “I don’t need to take campaign donations. I’l pay for it myself - I’m really rich!”

If he’s so rich, why do everyday working Republicans have to bankroll his legal bills?

He owns you guys, lock, stock and barrel.

[Libertas]

Speaking of trump not actually being rich and idiot cons like those here supporting him financially, since when can a PAC pay legal costs for the candidate being indicted etc?

[JoeMemphis]

https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/29/60-million ... egal-fees/

The PAC that has been paying Trump's legal bills is asking for a 60mil refund from the Trump super pac.

Would that indicate that Trump is going to use his campaign money to pay bills. Which would mean he would have no money to run a campaign .

Which hopefully would make him bow out. However on the other hand he might be so popular among his supporters that all he needs is his name on the ballot to win the primary.

Which in turn would be a bonanza for Biden. As he ( Biden) could once again run a very limited campaign. As Trump would be forced to due to lack of funds.

One thing for sure is it's going to be a very odd campaign season.

Trump has gotten his ass so deep in legal problems he has to run. It isn’t about what is best for the country. It’s about what is best for him.

[Glennfs]

You don't want an actual discussion.

If you did, you'd wonder "Is he breaking the law"?

You just want to pretend you aren't for Trump. If you weren't you'd be asking far different questions.

The truth is, he's bringing in plenty of money. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/0 ... r-00104768



Now you have the facts. Discuss.

So around 1 million people donated money. I still don't get how thar money can be diverted to his legal defense.
There has to be a loophole as there is in just about everything dealing with campaigns and campaign money.

It seems to me if he opened a legal defense fund he would have no problem raising 50 to 100 million.

The amount of legal bills is a staggering amount. I don't know about anyone else but they are way higher than I ever imagined.

I would have guessed 3 to 5 million would have covered it. Looks like 25 to 40 million is what it is going to cost.

It's a shame he just doesn't cut a deal. Plead guilty to something. Promise not to run for office and go away.

He truly is costing our country. Especially considering because of him more democrats are getting elected and more Republicans are going to far to the right.

What our country needs is a charismatic leader like a Obama or Reagan or even a Clinton without the baggage.

[gounion]

Trump has gotten his ass so deep in legal problems he has to run. It isn’t about what is best for the country. It’s about what is best for him.

Donald Trump has NEVER been about what's best for the country. He's always been about Trump. And you've been good with that.

[gounion]

So around 1 million people donated money. I still don't get how thar money can be diverted to his legal defense.
There has to be a loophole as there is in just about everything dealing with campaigns and campaign money.

It seems to me if he opened a legal defense fund he would have no problem raising 50 to 100 million.

The amount of legal bills is a staggering amount. I don't know about anyone else but they are way higher than I ever imagined.

I would have guessed 3 to 5 million would have covered it. Looks like 25 to 40 million is what it is going to cost.

It's a shame he just doesn't cut a deal. Plead guilty to something. Promise not to run for office and go away.

He truly is costing our country. Especially considering because of him more democrats are getting elected and more Republicans are going to far to the right.

What our country needs is a charismatic leader like a Obama or Reagan or even a Clinton without the baggage.

You don't get it - Trump isn't a logical person. He's a narcissist that doesn't care about anything but himself. It's astonishing that he controls the Republican Party, and that you support all the people that support him.

Of course he's breaking the laws concerning campaign money. But the Federal Election Commission is the regulatory agency, and requires the GOP members to agree, and again, Donald Trump owns them.

You know what I find funny, Glenn? You say this about Trump, but then you attack all the attempts by the prosecutors to hold him accountable for his actions. You attack their motives, as if THEY are the criminals and not Donald Trump. Trump led an insurrection upon our nation's Capitol, and sat and watched it on TV and didn't raise a hand against it. He then tried to strongarm elected state officials to overturn the results of the election, yet you attack the prosecutor that seeks to hold him to account.

What you need to do, Glenn, is admit to yourself that Trump committed crimes and is responsible for his actions, and those seeking to hold him to account are actually people that believe in the rule of law, and they are the ones that should be respected.

[Bludogdem]

So around 1 million people donated money. I still don't get how thar money can be diverted to his legal defense.
There has to be a loophole as there is in just about everything dealing with campaigns and campaign money.

It seems to me if he opened a legal defense fund he would have no problem raising 50 to 100 million.

The amount of legal bills is a staggering amount. I don't know about anyone else but they are way higher than I ever imagined.

I would have guessed 3 to 5 million would have covered it. Looks like 25 to 40 million is what it is going to cost.

It's a shame he just doesn't cut a deal. Plead guilty to something. Promise not to run for office and go away.

He truly is costing our country. Especially considering because of him more democrats are getting elected and more Republicans are going to far to the right.

What our country needs is a charismatic leader like a Obama or Reagan or even a Clinton without the baggage.

Oh, the legality of the use of PAC funds for his legal bills will eventually be challenged. I’m sure the rules of PAC funds are a myriad of confusing and contradictory texts. It’ll take years and years to sort it out.

[gounion]

Oh, the legality of the use of PAC funds for his legal bills will eventually be challenged. I’m sure the rules of PAC funds are a myriad of confusing and contradictory texts. It’ll take years and years to sort it out.

I doubt it. First, most experts thinks it’s legal. Second, Trump’s fans don’t care. A guy on Social Security will go without food just to give a really rich guy his last dollar. He agrees that Trump shouldn’t have to pay out of HIS pocket.

Plus, the FEC has no teeth. They all do what they want.

[Glennfs]

I doubt it. First, most experts thinks it’s legal. Second, Trump’s fans don’t care. A guy on Social Security will go without food just to give a really rich guy his last dollar. He agrees that Trump shouldn’t have to pay out of HIS pocket.

Plus, the FEC has no teeth. They all do what they want.

Sadly both you and blue are probably both partially correct.
I am guessing thar a person with 50 million can tie up the legal system for quite some time

[gounion]

Sadly both you and blue are probably both partially correct.
I am guessing thar a person with 50 million can tie up the legal system for quite some time

Green, not blue. And you know that.

Trouble is, Trump wouldn't ever use his own money to do it. But then, the GOP will give him all the money he wants.

He's started a defense fund now, and that'll grow quickly, because his voters will give him all the money he wants. Gullibility, thy name is "Republican".

[Toonces]

Personally, I think they should be honest and just have the RubePAC as his overall PAC.

[gounion]

Personally, I think they should be honest and just have the RubePAC as his overall PAC.

ChumpPAC?

[gounion]

Glenn, I've been thinking about this all day, and you may have a point.

First, although it's what you're most scared of, but Trump won't stop his campaign. It's his last hope of staying out of prison, and he'll do appearances, and all that. It doesn't matter if he spends money, he didn't spend money in 2016.

But one thing might change. Most of his donations are small-dollar, middle-class marks who will go without food to support their Donald.

But.

They'll give their hard-earned wages to elect Trump. They'll give their hard-earned wages to "Stop the Steal" - supposedly money to fund the court fights to overturn the supposedly stolen election.

And so far, those are the things they THOUGHT they were paying for. Up until the other day, when we found out what the PAC money was REALLY being used for.

Now they may continue to be complete rubes, and they may believe Trump when he says THEY are the ones being indicted, that Trump is just in the way.

But I wonder if, at some point, they're going to say "you know, this son-of-a-bitch is supposed to be RICH. Why the fuck should I and my family do without to pay for HIS lawyers?"

They'll still support him, they'll still vote for him, but this might be a bridge too far for even them.

I dunno. I might be hoping against hope they have some humanity left. So far, that's a bad bet. We'll see.