What to do about Kevin McCarthy?

[gounion]

A VERY good question.

Well, an IMPORTANT question. One I won’t even PRETEND to have an answer for.

The GOP House is furious with Kevin, because he kept the government open. He passed a continuing resolution with Democratic votes. 90 Republicans voted AGAINST keeping the government open. That tells you how fucking crazy they all are.

So we’ve learned a few things: First, McCarthy knows that shutting down the government is probably a death knell for the GOP’s hopes of winning anything in 2024. This is twice now he’s decided that the one thing he shouldn’t do is shut down the government.

Now, of course, that makes 90 Republicans, including Matt Gaetz, mad as hell and would love the execute McCarthy, but they’ll settle for ousting him as speaker.

McCarthy doesn’t have a majority of Congress to keep his job. Now, once they file the motion, no other business can be done, which is what they want. If they replace him with a GOP Speaker they like, that probably means that Speaker will refuse to fund the government and cause a shutdown, with not much way to end it.

And normally, no one on the Dems will vote for a GOP Speaker, in order to keep him from being ousted. But could some vote to keep McCarthy, as the devil we know? That certainly wouldn’t bode well for those Dems that voted for him in a campaign.

And McCarthy is a TERRIBLE Speaker, but we all know that any replacement would be crazier and worse for our nation, even if they could find one that would get enough votes.

There’s a chance that McCarthy would cut a deal to share power with the Dems, but that’d have to be quite a deal. That would be up to Dem Leader Hakeem Jeffries. I dunno.

All the choices are bad.

Anyone with any good ideas?

[Toonces]

Is McCarthy speaker until they vote for someone else, or is he ousted than a replacement voted upon?

If it's the former than Jeffries is probably the only alternative.

Democrats would be foolish to let them replace McCarthy with someone else because they can actually do some things with him as recent events suggest.

If your opponents are busy shooting themselves in the foot, why take away the gun?

Republicans did this to themselves. It's their monkey and their zoo.

[gounion]

Is McCarthy speaker until they vote for someone else, or is he ousted than a replacement voted upon?

If it's the former than Jeffries is probably the only alternative.

Democrats would be foolish to let them replace McCarthy with someone else because they can actually do some things with him as recent events suggest.

If your opponents are busy shooting themselves in the foot, why take away the gun?

Republicans did this to themselves. It's their monkey and their zoo.

It’s crazy. So, as I understand, if a vote is called, nothing else can happen until it’s done. But, if a vote fails, then they could just make a new call for a vote, every day, and nothing can happen. But then, say McCarthy IS ousted - then nothing can happen until a new Speaker is elected.

[Toonces]

They could speed up a vote for a replacement significantly if there is a threat that Lara Trump's Won't Back Down will be played on repeat until a solution is reached

[Number6]

I say sit back, grab the popcorn, and watch the shit show the republic party will make of itself in the House. Unless McCarthy decides to include the Democrats in getting bills passed not much will be get accomplished with the MAGAT faction fighting for control of the House Speaker.

[Glennfs]

What should happen but won't is behind closed doors in a caucus meeting the extreme right members should be told in no uncertain terms to get in line.

If they don't start cooperating and vote to remove McCarthy the gop members not among those 90 will vote to make the democrat speaker.

My Congressman doesn't show me hus Facebook posts anymore unless I look them up.
Because a couple of times I politely disagreed with him snd let him know what a disappointment he is.

Sad thing is when he won the open primary he defeated Tommy Pope a really good guy. Who has since become my state rep.

[gounion]

What should happen but won't is behind closed doors in a caucus meeting the extreme right members should be told in no uncertain terms to get in line.

If they don't start cooperating and vote to remove McCarthy the gop members not among those 90 will vote to make the democrat speaker.

My Congressman doesn't show me hus Facebook posts anymore unless I look them up.
Because a couple of times I politely disagreed with him snd let him know what a disappointment he is.

Sad thing is when he won the open primary he defeated Tommy Pope a really good guy. Who has since become my state rep.

You voted for him every time he's ran. You bragged about him on this board.

Your congressman called for the military takeover of our democracy. You call for a Congressman to be jailed for pulling a fire alarm. What should happen to your Congressman for treason?

[Glennfs]

You voted for him every time he's ran. You bragged about him on this board.

Your congressman called for the military takeover of our democracy. You call for a Congressman to be jailed for pulling a fire alarm. What should happen to your Congressman for treason?

I opposed him in the open primary.
In his first term he was a rock solid conservative and did a good job.

After he won reelection and became cemented into the seat he became the asshole we all now know and love.

As for voting for him.the choice is him or a liberal extremist who will vote for the leftist agenda of the progressive congressional caucus.

Quite the Sophie's choice.

Finally the difference between us is I will badmouth a republican and a conservative.

While you would never do the same to a liberal. Because in your limited mindset opposing a democrat means you are supporting a republican.

Which of course it isn't. But, because you believe that to be true you will defend AOC and the squad. While never opposing anything that comes from the progressive caucus. No matter how bad it is for the country

[gounion]

No Sophie’s choice at all. The difference between our Constitutional democracy and a military coup by a dictator President.

[bradman]

What are the chances the moderate Republicans say fuck it and work with the Democrats? Get rid of Gaetz and tell the rest of them to shut the fuck up and sit down.

[gounion]

What are the chances the moderate Republicans say fuck it and work with the Democrats? Get rid of Gaetz and tell the rest of them to shut the fuck up and sit down.

Zero. Sorry.

Here’s why. Trump would denounce them and they would be primaried. And that’s if the Trumpers didn’t hound them out of office first.

I mean, there’s Republicans who wouldn’t vote for his impeachment because they feared for the lives of their families.

[gounion]

I opposed him in the open primary.
In his first term he was a rock solid conservative and did a good job.

After he won reelection and became cemented into the seat he became the asshole we all now know and love.

As for voting for him.the choice is him or a liberal extremist who will vote for the leftist agenda of the progressive congressional caucus.

Quite the Sophie's choice.

Finally the difference between us is I will badmouth a republican and a conservative.

While you would never do the same to a liberal. Because in your limited mindset opposing a democrat means you are supporting a republican.

Which of course it isn't. But, because you believe that to be true you will defend AOC and the squad. While never opposing anything that comes from the progressive caucus. No matter how bad it is for the country

Glenn, if you aren't a Trumper, as you say you aren't, here's what you should do. Honestly.

You shouldn't support ANYONE who supports Trump. That includes your Congressman and both your Senators, and your former Governor. In the primary, you should vote for Chris Christie or Asa Hutchinson. In the general, you should vote for the Dem, until your party get rid of the Trump insanity. You shouldn't vote for ANY supporter of Donald Trump.

Because you are enabling Trump by voting for these people. The GOP MUST LOSE and jettison the Trumpers before they can once again become a sane choice as a true opposition party that can be trusted with the reigns of government. Otherwise, you're just another Trump sycophant that supports him and the party that he owns now.

[Glennfs]

Glenn, if you aren't a Trumper, as you say you aren't, here's what you should do. Honestly.

You shouldn't support ANYONE who supports Trump. That includes your Congressman and both your Senators, and your former Governor. In the primary, you should vote for Chris Christie or Asa Hutchinson. In the general, you should vote for the Dem, until your party get rid of the Trump insanity. You shouldn't vote for ANY supporter of Donald Trump.

Because you are enabling Trump by voting for these people. The GOP MUST LOSE and jettison the Trumpers before they can once again become a sane choice as a true opposition party that can be trusted with the reigns of government. Otherwise, you're just another Trump sycophant that supports him and the party that he owns now.

Apply that standard to yourself and socialism

[gounion]

Apply that standard to yourself and socialism

Pretty easy. I’m no socialist. You just try to re-define the word to mean anyone who isn’t a conservative. But that’s what Trump TELLS you to do - red-bait all the time.

[Glennfs]

Pretty easy. I’m no socialist. You just try to re-define the word to mean anyone who isn’t a conservative. But that’s what Trump TELLS you to do - red-bait all the time.

So because I support some politicians who do not oppose Trump and some who do support him that makes me Trump supporter by proxy.
But that same standard does not apply to you and socialist or socialism.
It appears you have a double standard.

[gounion]

So because I support some politicians who do not oppose Trump and some who do support him that makes me Trump supporter by proxy.
But that same standard does not apply to you and socialist or socialism.
It appears you have a double standard.

Bullshit. Again you red-bait saying all liberals are communists and socialists. You can dish it out but you can’t take it.

And yes, any elected official that condone’s Trump’s attacks on our military and soldiers is not suited to office.

But you don’t care do you?

[Glennfs]

Bullshit. Again you red-bait saying all liberals are communists and socialists. You can dish it out but you can’t take it.

And yes, any elected official that condone’s Trump’s attacks on our military and soldiers is not suited to office.

But you don’t care do you?

I wonder if you are missing the point or choosing to ignore the point.

With the point being if supporting politicians who support or do not oppose Trump makes a person a Trump supporter by proxy.

Then supporting politicians who support or do not oppose socialist in the democratic party would make that person a socialist by proxy.

If you were applying one standard to all.

[ap215]

Most dysfunctional party ever.

[gounion]

I wonder if you are missing the point or choosing to ignore the point.

With the point being if supporting politicians who support or do not oppose Trump makes a person a Trump supporter by proxy.

Then supporting politicians who support or do not oppose socialist in the democratic party would make that person a socialist by proxy.

If you were applying one standard to all.

When Trump is attempting to overthrow our government, then, yes, supporting him is supporting the overthrow of our nation.

A point YOU want to ignore.

[Glennfs]

When Trump is attempting to overthrow our government, then, yes, supporting him is supporting the overthrow of our nation.

A point YOU want to ignore.

Apply that same standard to people who support socialist.
Knowing that socialist want to radically change our country and government.
Yes, including democratic socialist.

You have a double standard.

[gounion]

Apply that same standard to people who support socialist.
Knowing that socialist want to radically change our country and government.
Yes, including democratic socialist.

You have a double standard.

No, they don’t - and any changes they do want they only want to do through the actual Democratic process under the Constitution. Your side wants to end the constitution and give it over to Trump.

[Glennfs]

No, they don’t - and any changes they do want they only want to do through the actual Democratic process under the Constitution. Your side wants to end the constitution and give it over to Trump.

You are kind of correct. The socialist do want to use our constitution and laws to destroy our country legally.
Of course if or once your group achieves power. They will simply change rules and laws in ways that make it very difficult for those you support to ever lose power.

Election finance reform that cripples the opposition
Take away the voices of the minority through eliminating the filibuster.
Stack 4 more extremist on SCOTUS

Basically making it so if your fellow socialist have 50pct plus 1 they can pass any laws they want without opposition.

All while folks like you in your holier-than-thou method claiming it is democracy in action.
Changing our country from a representative republic into the socialist mecca you desire.

[gounion]

You are kind of correct. The socialist do want to use our constitution and laws to destroy our country legally.
Of course if or once your group achieves power. They will simply change rules and laws in ways that make it very difficult for those you support to ever lose power.

Election finance reform that cripples the opposition
Take away the voices of the minority through eliminating the filibuster.
Stack 4 more extremist on SCOTUS

Basically making it so if your fellow socialist have 50pct plus 1 they can pass any laws they want without opposition.

All while folks like you in your holier-than-thou method claiming it is democracy in action.
Changing our country from a representative republic into the socialist mecca you desire.

Bullshit. And let's be clear - anything they want to do, they want to do so in a democratic manner with the American people behind them. They just want things like rights on the job, and a real social safety net for everyone, and universal health care.

Remember that the Scandinavian "socialist" countries are still market capitalist constitutional democracies.

But you're fine with Trump stacking the courts and the Justices taking away our rights - and making Trump the king, shutting down the Constitution.