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The laws are unenforceable when there are 45,000 homeless.

The problem is not the law but the system. First the mental health system was dismantled, then the lower-middle class got priced out of decent housing. If you have any problems at all, such as mental illness or long term job loss, it's the street for you.

To a smaller extent, there is also the climate as a factor. In New York and most other American cities, if you live in the street in winter, you die. So everyone who has no place to go washes up in SoCal. It's better than Florida for a number of reasons. The process has been in place since the Great Depression. We're coming up on the centennial of that Republican blunder.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:15 am The laws are unenforceable when there are 45,000 homeless.

The problem is not the law but the system. First the mental health system was dismantled, then the lower-middle class got priced out of decent housing. If you have any problems at all, such as mental illness or long term job loss, it's the street for you.

To a smaller extent, there is also the climate as a factor. In New York and most other American cities, if you live in the street in winter, you die. So everyone who has no place to go washes up in SoCal. It's better than Florida for a number of reasons. The process has been in place since the Great Depression. We're coming up on the centennial of that Republican blunder.
Remind me again. Who runs CA?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:42 am Remind me again. Who runs CA?
Wow, if it’s bad, blame the Dems. If Mississippi is a hellhole, DON’T blame the GOP that has ran IT for decades.

California is a victim of its own success. Too many people and real estate is too high to live for those at the bottom.
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Too many people, too little transportation, no profit in lower-middle class housing, very deficient social services, weak leadership, vastly underrepresented neighborhoods, high taxes for low results, and far far too little insight.
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gounion wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:08 pm Wow, if it’s bad, blame the Dems. If Mississippi is a hellhole, DON’T blame the GOP that has ran IT for decades.

California is a victim of its own success. Too many people and real estate is too high to live for those at the bottom.
Here we go again with that bullshit. After I've proven time and again that Mississippi is far better for common folk than California.

Then if course you repeat the company line about California being fucked up because it is so great.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:01 pm Here we go again with that bullshit. After I've proven time and again that Mississippi is far better for common folk than California.

Then if course you repeat the company line about California being fucked up because it is so great.
I’m in MS right now. I’m not the one complaining about CA. That’s a poster who lives in CA. I’m just pointing out the obvious fact that Conservatives don’t run CA nor have they run CA in years. Simple point.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:48 pm I’m in MS right now. I’m not the one complaining about CA. That’s a poster who lives in CA. I’m just pointing out the obvious fact that Conservatives don’t run CA nor have they run CA in years. Simple point.
Just more of your passive/aggressive bullshit. Again, Mississippi is the worst, most poverty-stricken state in the union. Is that the fault of the GOP that’s ran it for years, if not decades? Yes or no?

I know you’ll run away from the question.
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gounion wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:44 pm Just more of your passive/aggressive bullshit. Again, Mississippi is the worst, most poverty-stricken state in the union. Is that the fault of the GOP that’s ran it for years, if not decades? Yes or no?

I know you’ll run away from the question.
I like MS. Don’t agree with your premise at all. And yes, it’s a GOP run state. Zowie is the one who has a problem with CA. Maybe you want to quiz him on who is in charge of that state.
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gounion wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:44 pm Just more of your passive/aggressive bullshit. Again, Mississippi is the worst, most poverty-stricken state in the union. Is that the fault of the GOP that’s ran it for years, if not decades? Yes or no?

I know you’ll run away from the question.
So if you were 35 years old married with two kids making $15 an hour and your wife also was earning $15 an hour where would you be better off
California
Or
Mississippi

Congratulations California on retaining the title of most poverty stricken state


https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/ ... 9D%20rates.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:17 pm So if you were 35 years old married with two kids making $15 an hour and your wife also was earning $15 an hour where would you be better off
California
Or
Mississippi

Congratulations California on retaining the title of most poverty stricken state


https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/ ... 9D%20rates.
Real Estate is cheap in Mississippi because nobody wants to fucking live their because it's a hellhole.

Explain why that's not the GOP's fault.
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gounion wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:04 am Real Estate is cheap in Mississippi because nobody wants to fucking live their because it's a hellhole.

Explain why that's not the GOP's fault.
And yet you made the conscious deliberate decision to move to a red state. You whine about how things run but you ignored all that and moved here anyway. You didn’t move to a liberal utopia. You moved into a reliably conservative state run by conservatives whom you hate and disrespect. You moved to the “hellhole”. You will say that it’s about music and nature, but lots of places have music and nature. Further, you didn’t move into Memphis or Nashville which are Dem cities and moved south of Nashville into a conservative community with an HOA.

So it appears that when the rubber hits the road, you talk the talk but you don’t walk the walk. Zowie complains about CA. He just blames the wrong people. But you have to hand it to him, he lives in the state that shares much of his political beliefs. You on the other hand, talk about how great progressives are at government, but when it comes to you and your money, to do the opposite of what you preach.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:44 am And yet you made the conscious deliberate decision to move to a red state. You whine about how things run but you ignored all that and moved here anyway. You didn’t move to a liberal utopia. You moved into a reliably conservative state run by conservatives whom you hate and disrespect. You moved to the “hellhole”. You will say that it’s about music and nature, but lots of places have music and nature. Further, you didn’t move into Memphis or Nashville which are Dem cities and moved south of Nashville into a conservative community with an HOA.

So it appears that when the rubber hits the road, you talk the talk but you don’t walk the walk. Zowie complains about CA. He just blames the wrong people. But you have to hand it to him, he lives in the state that shares much of his political beliefs. You on the other hand, talk about how great progressives are at government, but when it comes to you and your money, to do the opposite of what you preach.
I don't like to be IN a big city - I was in a DFW Suburb, and was only in the DC metro area because I didn't want a big drive. I like a smaller town, where I don't have to get on a freeway to go anywhere. My suburb is a half an hour from Nashville, and Nashville is a GREAT city, and yes, it's a Democratic stronghold. Go ahead, tell me what a hellhole Nashville is. Go ahead.

And yeah, I like an HOA. It's very close to a union for homeowners, a democratic organization.

But explain why Mississippi is the biggest hellhole in America, when it's been ran by Republicans for years.

Go ahead. If you're going to blame California on Dems, why don't you blame Mississippi on Republicans? Of course, you'll ignore the question.
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gounion wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:33 pm I don't like to be IN a big city - I was in a DFW Suburb, and was only in the DC metro area because I didn't want a big drive. I like a smaller town, where I don't have to get on a freeway to go anywhere. My suburb is a half an hour from Nashville, and Nashville is a GREAT city, and yes, it's a Democratic stronghold. Go ahead, tell me what a hellhole Nashville is. Go ahead.

And yeah, I like an HOA. It's very close to a union for homeowners, a democratic organization.

But explain why Mississippi is the biggest hellhole in America, when it's been ran by Republicans for years.

Go ahead. If you're going to blame California on Dems, why don't you blame Mississippi on Republicans? Of course, you'll ignore the question.
I’m not complaining about Mississippi. I don’t think it’s an”hellhole”. It has its problems. What community doesn’t. But Indont blame those problems on the minority party who hasn’t had much influence in this state.

Therein lies the difference.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:59 pm I’m not complaining about Mississippi. I don’t think it’s an”hellhole”. It has its problems. What community doesn’t. But Indont blame those problems on the minority party who hasn’t had much influence in this state.

Therein lies the difference.
It’s the worst state in the nation on almost every level. But hey, you’re not going to admit it because it’s ran by Republicans, are you?
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gounion wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:47 pm It’s the worst state in the nation on almost every level. But hey, you’re not going to admit it because it’s ran by Republicans, are you?
So you say. Fact is that everywhere I look in North MS I see new houses. Folks moving out of Shelby County. You can buy a nice size house and acreage to go with it. So if you don’t like it. Don’t live here. But then again, you say one thing and do another. I notice you didn’t move to a liberal community despite the fact you crow at how much better they are. No. You invested your dollars in a conservative state and a conservative community surrounded by people you despise. Go figure.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:31 pm So you say. Fact is that everywhere I look in North MS I see new houses. Folks moving out of Shelby County. You can buy a nice size house and acreage to go with it. So if you don’t like it. Don’t live here. But then again, you say one thing and do another. I notice you didn’t move to a liberal community despite the fact you crow at how much better they are. No. You invested your dollars in a conservative state and a conservative community surrounded by people you despise. Go figure.
Actually, I moved to a college town, and they are known for having plenty of liberals, and I know a lot of liberals here.

So you found an affluent portion of Mississippi, so you pretend it’s all like that. Mississippi has the lowest median income of all the states, and nearly 20 percent of the people are below the poverty rate. It has undeniably the WORST education system America.

Again, the GOP has ran the state forever, why haven’t they fixed these problems?

You won’t answer the actual questions. It’s hilarious to watch.
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:36 am Actually, I moved to a college town, and they are known for having plenty of liberals, and I know a lot of liberals here.

So you found an affluent portion of Mississippi, so you pretend it’s all like that. Mississippi has the lowest median income of all the states, and nearly 20 percent of the people are below the poverty rate. It has undeniably the WORST education system America.

Again, the GOP has ran the state forever, why haven’t they fixed these problems?

You won’t answer the actual questions. It’s hilarious to watch.
I’m not saying anyone other than the party in power is responsible. I’m not blaming Democrats for problems in MS. You blame conservatives and republicans for problems everywhere. Even in states as completely dominated by Democrats as MS is dominated by Republicans. It is hilarious to watch. It’s as if you say democrats can do nothing on their own because even a small number of Republicans can dominate them. That’s a piss poor argument when you expect people to vote for Dems. By your own admission they are weak and can’t do anything for themselves or be held responsible for their own policy.
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gounion wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 9:47 pm It’s the worst state in the nation on almost every level. But hey, you’re not going to admit it because it’s ran by Republicans, are you?
So in which state is a family of 4 with the median state income better off
California
Or
Mississippi
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:07 am So in which state is a family of 4 with the median state income better off
California
Or
Mississippi
Again, that’s because people WANT to go to California. California’s problems stem from overpopulation.

Never a problem in Mississippi. Joe can afford a lake house in Mississippi. I be he can’t afford a beachfront home in California.

But again, why hasn’t the GOP fixed the problems in Mississippi?
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:57 am Again, that’s because people WANT to go to California. California’s problems stem from overpopulation.

Never a problem in Mississippi. Joe can afford a lake house in Mississippi. I be he can’t afford a beachfront home in California.

But again, why hasn’t the GOP fixed the problems in Mississippi?
That’s not the point. The question is if there are issues and problems in California, who is responsible? That’s the question you won’t answer. It’s not conservative republicans making policy in CA. So blaming them is nonsense. It’s just avoiding responsibility.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:24 am That’s not the point. The question is if there are issues and problems in California, who is responsible? That’s the question you won’t answer. It’s not conservative republicans making policy in CA. So blaming them is nonsense. It’s just avoiding responsibility.
Okay, if Mississippi is the poorest state in the nation, the most people living below the poverty line and the worst educational system, who is responsible?
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Yeah, yeah, California is a shithole and Mississippi is the last best hope for civilization.

Then why aren't there hundreds of thousands of people going homeless just so they can live in Mississippi?
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gounion wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:42 am Okay, if Mississippi is the poorest state in the nation, the most people living below the poverty line and the worst educational system, who is responsible?
As far as state public policy is concerned, the majority party is responsible. Same as CA.
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:22 am Yeah, yeah, California is a shithole and Mississippi is the last best hope for civilization.

Then why aren't there hundreds of thousands of people going homeless just so they can live in Mississippi?
Nobody said MS is the best hope for civilization. Nobody. It’s not a shithole. But you were complaining about conditions in CA and blaming conservatives. I merely pointed out that conservatives don’t make policy in your state. If you are unhappy with policy perhaps you should look to those folks responsible for making that policy in the first place.

I’m not blaming Dems for MS. I like MS. It’s not perfect. Nowhere is perfect. I’m also not saying MS doesn’t have issues. And yes, conservatives make policy in MS and are responsible for the policy decisions they make.

So who is responsible for policy decisions in CA in your opinion? Who is in charge?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:40 am Nobody said MS is the best hope for civilization. Nobody. It’s not a shithole. But you were complaining about conditions in CA and blaming conservatives. I merely pointed out that conservatives don’t make policy in your state. If you are unhappy with policy perhaps you should look to those folks responsible for making that policy in the first place.

I’m not blaming Dems for MS. I like MS. It’s not perfect. Nowhere is perfect. I’m also not saying MS doesn’t have issues. And yes, conservatives make policy in MS and are responsible for the policy decisions they make.

So who is responsible for policy decisions in CA in your opinion? Who is in charge?
I think in BOTH cases, that problems go beyond the party’s ability to fix.

But the FACT remains that Mississippi has the most poverty, the lowest income, and the worst schools. So if you wanna blame California on the Democratic Party, you need to blame the GOP on making sure that Mississippi is the worst off state in the union - out of fifty, it’s NUMBER fifty.

And yeah, Mississippi is a shithole. I’m sure it’s fine around your lake house, but I’ve been to probably more parts of Mississippi than you know exist.

And California, for all its problems is the center of the universe for many industries, including Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Mississippi can make no such claim. California remains one of the tourist destinations of the world, while the ONLY thing Mississippi has is a few casinos, which are certainly second-rate even among casinos. The only one of any real note is the Beau Rivage.

Let’s be clear: It’s you and Glenn that keep trying to blame all of California’s ills on Democrats, even though there have been several Republican governors through the years that didn’t change anything. So if you want to blame California’s problems on Dems, you have to do the same with the GOP and Mississippi.

And you won’t. That says it all.
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