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Three retired U.S. generals warned in a chilling column Friday that another coup attempt in America in 2024 could divide the military and plunge an unprepared nation into civil war.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-ele ... d2193f3d72

With the country still as divided as ever, we must take steps to prepare for the worst,” wrote former Army Major Gen. Paul Eaton, former Brigadier Gen. Steven Anderson and former Army Major Gen. Antonio Taguba.

And every Con on this forum will support it. They want Dictatorship.
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Dammit...wanted to be wrong about this but looks like....anyway.

Here is what is important now, this warning will STILL not get a board con to speak out and do the right thing, not one of them! Or the pretend democrat.

What is it MD and any other actual patriot here who wants to chime in? What is it that makes the cons out there and on this board unwilling to support law and order, democracy, rule of law? Because they are not.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:26 pm Dammit...wanted to be wrong about this but looks like....anyway.

Here is what is important now, this warning will STILL not get a board con to speak out and do the right thing, not one of them! Or the pretend democrat.
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Cons no longer believe principals of American Democracy Or simple human decency. They embrace authoritarianism and hate. One forum famously he did not one party rule. But that is exactly what he wants. As long as it is the party he is a member of.
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My stepdad was Antifa. I'm proud that he was.
I am Proud and Loud about Antifa. I am Patriot. Like I wrote in another thread, Battle Lines Are Being Drawn.
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gounion wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:53 pm Image

My stepdad was Antifa. I'm proud that he was.
Now with the Generals warning that a big part of the military will support the 2nd coup, which is coming if rump isnt indicted, my question is when will Garland start an investigation let alone indictment?

From what I heard today from someone on MSNBC, the House dems dont think there is even an investigation by the DOJ...
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Well the first thing we need to do then is cut the military budget in half right now, and each year after cut it in half again and as we are doing that increase spending at the same rate on the public on the persistent problems that plague families and individuals being happy and healthy and free.

We can melt down all the militarized vehicles and weapons and use the resources for infrastructure and cancel all the tax cuts and subsidies to corporations and taxpayer giveaways so the public can have its treasury back to work out issues that make people so unhappy in the first place.
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Motor City wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:46 pm Well the first thing we need to do then is cut the military budget in half right now, and each year after cut it in half again and as we are doing that increase spending at the same rate on the public on the persistent problems that plague families and individuals being happy and healthy and free.

We can melt down all the militarized vehicles and weapons and use the resources for infrastructure and cancel all the tax cuts and subsidies to corporations and taxpayer giveaways so the public can have its treasury back to work out issues that make people so unhappy in the first place.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:10 pm Swords to plowshares
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most of you have "the military" all incorrect.

i was trained to get my soldiers home alive. protect my mates. protect keep alive my soldiers.
i was trained to shoot use weapons and be ready to fight for my troops.

we were not taught in any fashion to.."coup".
we were trained to bring our mates our soldiers our troops safely..home.
i was trained to protect my soldiers. not to kill others as first mission.
..despite what you may have read or heard over your years.

so. whatever shit you read about "coup"s and military is mostly bullshit.
you would know this had you been trained...military.

what these "citizens" decide on their own is not relative to the military training.
citizens are not trained they are fed bullshit by pols.
Who are these..flag-sucking halfwits fleeced fooled by stupid little rich kids They speak for all that is cruel stupid They are racists hate mongers I piss down the throats of these Nazis Im too old to worry whether they like it. Fuck them.
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rainwater wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:45 pm most of you have "the military" all incorrect.

i was trained to get my soldiers home alive. protect my mates. protect keep alive my soldiers.
i was trained to shoot use weapons and be ready to fight for my troops.

we were not taught in any fashion to.."coup".
we were trained to bring our mates our soldiers our troops safely..home.
i was trained to protect my soldiers. not to kill others as first mission.
..despite what you may have read or heard over your years.

so. whatever shit you read about "coup"s and military is mostly bullshit.
you would know this had you been trained...military.

what these "citizens" decide on their own is not relative to the military training.
citizens are not trained they are fed bullshit by pols.
Thank You Rain.

Ours is a professional military. Training and Discipline take over. To many Americans have the idea that "Seven Days In May" could happen. It won't. There is no James Mattoon Scott in the wings, waiting with baited breath to steal American Democracy.

The Oath I took was to of the Support, Protect and Defend The Constitution United of America. You do NOT take an Oath to a Man (ala Adolf Hitler). Which is what probably pisses off the Traitor, if only the soldiers would a Loyalty Oath him. But his brand of Loyalty is very one sided and to him only, he on the hand will fuck you over in a heart beat.

Yes, I am sure there a misguided few who want to install the Traitor as Fuhrer, but they are few and far in between. Nor they would last in a military who has sworn allegiance to the Traitor, such an Oath is very misguided and result in a military incapable of independent action. Which in combat is essential to winning. Remember that Hitler wanted his Army to fight to the last man, never to concede an inch of "Our Sacred German Soil". Totally stupid.

General Mark Milley, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff is on record opposing use of Military Force against Civilians. Firing Generals and Admirals until you one officer who would obey your orders would only serve to create even more problems because the officers issuing such an order find their subordinates doubting the legality of an order. Illegal Orders or Indirect Orders are very hard enforce.

I trust our military and wish that those who see a military coup in offing would stop their hysteria. It won't happen.
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I would say like most institutions, the military has good and bad people in it. Like General Michael Flynn. For example. Or the people who were military veterans who were present in the 1/6 assault on the Capitol.

This is my perspective, as a civilian who never served (though family members have). P.S. take this however you wish, but I do not GAF (to use a phrase) if that means I can't hold an opinion on military subjects. I can and do. The Armed Forces are supposed to answer to civilians in Congress, and the C-i-C, even if a former military general (see: Eisenhower), is not supposed to wear or display any military rank or insignia while holding office.

BTW, I definitely agree this government does a shit job of respecting its veterans, particularly the last C-i-C who seemed to enjoy scamming them and their charities. Item one on that list is the VA. Maybe things are better than how they are shown in "Born on the 4th of July" where the VA hospitals looked like ... well, shitholes. I would hope so.
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For there to be a next coup there would have to be a first coup.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:41 am For there to be a next coup there would have to be a first coup.
Go ahead pretend Trump didn’t form a conspiracy to overthrow the duly elected government.

Then tell us how you don’t support Trump.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:41 am For there to be a next coup there would have to be a first coup.
This person is complicit in the attack on democracy.
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gounion wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:42 am Go ahead pretend Trump didn’t form a conspiracy to overthrow the duly elected government.

Then tell us how you don’t support Trump.
Glenn is doing what he always does, support and defend the Traitor. There clearly an organized attempt to overthrow the Duly, Democratically Elected Government of the United States. The Traitor was in communication with his Lieutenants at the Willard Hotel. The Traitor withheld the DCNG for over 3-Hours. Published reports show that the Traitor was the DCNG to protect the MAGA assholes who wanted the Hang VP Pence, Speaker Pelosi and AOC (among others).

Over 140-Police Officers were injured by Make America Crazy Again ass hats. One those tin foil idiots just received a 5-Prison sentence for attack police officers with a fire extinguisher. MACA shit heads brought firearms and homemade bombs into the Capitol Building.

Yes Glenn we know, you support and you defend the Traitor. You want RW Fascist Dictatorship.

True Patriots, True Believer in American Democracy do not defend what happened on January 6. We know where you stand Glenn. IF you loved this country as much as you claim, you would NOT be supporting or defending the Traitor or his armed subversives.

I love my country. I stand for and I have defended my country. You Glenn. You defend and you support an individual who wants to be dictator. You are truly disgusting.
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Motor City wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:46 pm Well the first thing we need to do then is cut the military budget in half right now, and each year after cut it in half again and as we are doing that increase spending at the same rate on the public on the persistent problems that plague families and individuals being happy and healthy and free.

We can melt down all the militarized vehicles and weapons and use the resources for infrastructure and cancel all the tax cuts and subsidies to corporations and taxpayer giveaways so the public can have its treasury back to work out issues that make people so unhappy in the first place.
The idea that the budget to defense will accomplish something is wrong. We still Men and Women in uniform who by their honor and their sacrifice deserve our respect. They have done nothing to warrant such disrespect. I'm the first to admit that defense budget is way to large, but just cut defense puts our country jeopardy. We should our Armed Forces a pay increase of 25% at least and increase it again next year with same amount. Lower Ranking Service Families live Food Stamps and that is unacceptable.
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I believe soldiers working for their country in its defense should be well paid, as with any other workers, and maybe more than other workers, as when other workers die in their line of duty, it's usually due to poor labor conditions.

That said, if ONLY veterans benefits and soldier salaries were why the Pentagon has such a massive budget each year. In fact, a lot of it is going to a lot of planes that won't fly and will never be used, toilet seats that cost an arm and a leg, and other boondoggles that it boggles the mind the Pentagon can get away with such wasteful spending. Most of our bloated military budget goes to:

a. WAY overbudget hardware that often doesn't work properly
b. military bases and aircraft carrier fleets we maintain all over the world as if "Team America: World Police" wasn't a satire. Seriously? Do we REALLY need all those carrier fleets?
c. nuclear weapons and their maintenance. Ahem.
d. outright scams by companies like Dick Cheney's old pals Halliburton that charged soldiers 40X the normal costs to do their laundry.

and stuff like that. I wish that all this was going to soldier salaries and veteran care. It isn't.

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Glennfs wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:41 am For there to be a next coup there would have to be a first coup.
Drak wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:50 am This person is complicit in the attack on democracy.
Trump is on camera, many times, going after Pence about overthrowing the election. He's also sent out tweets and press releases saying the same thing. Here's video from Jan 6

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1346868619595153408

Here's video from last week where he's talking about Pence not having the courage to overthrow the election.

https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status ... 2567328768

Here's one of his tweets

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Here's another


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THERE IS NO LEGAL PROCESS TO OVERTURN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION OR DECERTIFY IT. THAT'S NOT HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS! THERE IS NO LEGAL PROCESS FOR THE VP TO THROW OUT CERTIFIED VOTES AND CHANGE AN ELECTION. ATTEMPTING TO DO SO IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A COUP. STOP LYING. THERE'S A REASON FOR THE STOP THE STEAL RALLY AND THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITAL, AND TRUMP KEEPS TELLING YOU SO.

And this is just a small slice of evidence.
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ProfX wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:18 pm I believe soldiers working for their country in its defense should be well paid, as with any other workers, and maybe more than other workers, as when other workers die in their line of duty, it's usually due to poor labor conditions.

That said, if ONLY veterans benefits and soldier salaries were why the Pentagon has such a massive budget each year. In fact, a lot of it is going to a lot of planes that won't fly and will never be used, toilet seats that cost an arm and a leg, and other boondoggles that it boggles the mind the Pentagon can get away with such wasteful spending. Most of our bloated military budget goes to:

a. WAY overbudget hardware that often doesn't work properly
b. military bases and aircraft carrier fleets we maintain all over the world as if "Team America: World Police" wasn't a satire. Seriously? Do we REALLY need all those carrier fleets?
c. nuclear weapons and their maintenance. Ahem.
d. outright scams by companies like Dick Cheney's old pals Halliburton that charged soldiers 40X the normal costs to do their laundry.

and stuff like that. I wish that all this was going to soldier salaries and veteran care. It isn't.

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yea thats right and also the size of the money to contractors translates into political speech enough to drown out most of the country and that is to all the people in a democracy's detriment.
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The idea that the budget to defense will accomplish something is wrong. We still Men and Women in uniform who by their honor and their sacrifice deserve our respect. They have done nothing to warrant such disrespect. I'm the first to admit that defense budget is way to large, but just cut defense puts our country jeopardy. We should our Armed Forces a pay increase of 25% at least and increase it again next year with same amount. Lower Ranking Service Families live Food Stamps and that is unacceptable.
Well they warn things like this to get people frightened and to feel a necessity to overfund the military even more than it is now. For all we know they could bring in a blackwater type group and have them pose as US military and give the appearance of a divided military fighting against itself to kick off a civil war. Cutting off extra money the military doesnt even need or have any intention of spending on our veterans or soldiers will help guard against that and in contractors having all of the say in our democracy. But yea I do support taking care of our vets and soldiers as well and I take your and rains points. We need to spend on public things so they have work and homes and health care that they need.
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ProfX wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:28 amThis is my perspective, as a civilian who never served (though family members have). P.S. take this however you wish, but I do not GAF (to use a phrase) if that means I can't hold an opinion on military subjects. I can and do. The Armed Forces are supposed to answer to civilians in Congress, and the C-i-C, even if a former military general (see: Eisenhower), is not supposed to wear or display any military rank or insignia while holding office.
The claim that you can't question the military is classic authoritarianism and the basis of juntas and tinpot military dictatorships. They sound like this clown, mayor-elect of NYC.

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rainwater wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:45 pmso. whatever shit you read about "coup"s and military is mostly bullshit.
you would know this had you been trained...military.

what these "citizens" decide on their own is not relative to the military training.
citizens are not trained they are fed bullshit by pols.
^this is what is knonw as literally pulling rank.

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Drak wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:50 am This person is complicit in the attack on democracy.
100%

If you or a family member are harmed by maga or the new fascist government, this board con is to blame. If board con doesnt want blame, board con has to call it what it was and speak out about it.

And I have no doubt there are many in the military who adore trump, not saying the majority, but if I am forced to throw out a number % I would say around 35-40 rank and file, and while I dont have a guess how many officers and Pentagon types do, the guys who wrote the oped have a guess and theirs is this is very possible.

To ignore this warning after everything we have been thru is unbelievable. What maga has shown us is NOTHING is off limits, what stone/trump/flynn and the rest have shown us is the ONLY reason they aren't running this country now as fascists is they couldn't get it done, that time. THAT time.
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