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ProfX wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:09 pm Depends on the state, the age, and the gun.



In many countries, and even in some U.S. states, it IS. You are considered liable for your children using weapons you failed to secure from their misuse, let alone the ones bought for them.



We can debate whether or not they should have just "LOL'd" that he was searching for ammo on school time.
They were TOLD, "point blank," THAT DAY, he was doodling about how he couldn't control himself and wanted to spill blood. I think even parents as dumb as that shouldn't have just let him return to school, with the unsecured gun.
To your point, I was hunting at 12. I had access to guns pretty much my whole life. Of course, that was then and this is now. Times and circumstances have changed. I wouldn’t leave weapons unsecured in the house if kids were around. Most of my guns stay locked up. The only one that isn’t locked up is the one I normally carry. But then again, it’s just me and my wife in the house.

As to whether the parents are guilty of manslaughter, that’s going to depend of how the case and the evidence is presented to the jury in court. All it takes is reasonable doubt for a jury to acquit. It’s hard to predict what a jury will do.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:09 pm Yep, the school made mistakes. Doesn't change the facts of the crimes the parents committed.
Once again you have already decided they are guilty.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:12 am Once again you have already decided they are guilty.
If found guilty, you guys will waste no time throwing negro crime chicago parents in jail.

How many decades have you been waiting for it.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:12 am Once again you have already decided they are guilty.
And you have decided they are not guilty.
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i can say this, my Crackerjack legal certificate I got from golfing with lawn gnomes, suggests to me that they fled with $4k and hid in a building suggests "consciousness of guilt".

BTW, I also feel school officials dropped the ball, but I'm not this either/or person that says it was one or the other's fault. More like both. But the school did not buy him the gun.
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ProfX wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 6:14 am i can say this, my Crackerjack legal certificate I got from golfing with lawn gnomes, suggests to me that they fled with $4k and hid in a building suggests "consciousness of guilt".

BTW, I also feel school officials dropped the ball, but I'm not this either/or person that says it was one or the other's fault. More like both. But the school did not buy him the gun.
I agree. Hindsight is 20/20. We don’t know enough about the established processes, whether they were followed, and exactly what information the school administration had at the time decisions were made. I think it goes without saying this is all going to get thoroughly reviewed and I would hope that whatever come from such review will be used to help prevent future incidents. I highly doubt the school administration or the parents would have allowed the shooter to remain in school if they had any inclination that he was armed. To me they should not have assumed that he wasn’t. The cops would have searched him, his backpack, his locker, etc.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:09 am I agree. Hindsight is 20/20. We don’t know enough about the established processes, whether they were followed, and exactly what information the school administration had at the time decisions were made. I think it goes without saying this is all going to get thoroughly reviewed and I would hope that whatever come from such review will be used to help prevent future incidents. I highly doubt the school administration or the parents would have allowed the shooter to remain in school if they had any inclination that he was armed. To me they should not have assumed that he wasn’t. The cops would have searched him, his backpack, his locker, etc.
:lol:

If this kid were Black or Latino, they'd have been shown their new digs in juvie, immediately. Those kids get detained, cops called on them, arrested, put into the system for FAR less.
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This guy is not in jail, and he never will be, either.

No, I did not put this article here by mistake.

Michael Steinhardt, Billionaire, Surrenders $70 Million in Stolen Relics - NYT
The hedge fund pioneer is barred for life from buying more antiquities. He turned over 180 stolen objects that had decorated his homes and office.
Ohh but let Ray-Ray and Lil Loco be suspected of stealing from the Wrigley Field gift shop...they'll rot in juvie.
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Victim in Oxford high school shooting files $100 million lawsuit against district, employees
Two $100 million lawsuits have been filed against the Oxford school district and several employees after the deadly shooting last week.

The lawsuits were filed in federal court in Detroit by Jeffrey and Brandi Franz on behalf of their daughters, Riley, a 17-year-old senior who was shot in the neck, and her sister Bella, a 14-year-old ninth-grader who was next to her at the time. Their attorney is Geoffrey Fieger.

On top of the district, those in the lawsuit include the district superintendent, the Oxford High School principal, dean of students, two counselors, two teachers and a staff member........
Fieger on Oxford lawsuit: Sister saw sibling get shot, 'narrowly escaped the bullets'
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They mention the filibuster here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W5xzVZBFVQ
“Systemwide Failure”: Gun Control Advocates Demand New Regulations After Michigan School Shooting
Michigan Democrats want to limit gun magazines to 10 rounds
State House and Senate Democrats announced legislation Thursday that would restrict the sale and possession of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, saying such a law would save lives in mass shootings such as the recent tragedy at Oxford High School in Oakland County.

"Thoughts and prayers don't go far enough," said Sen. Rosemary Bayer, D-Beverly Hills, whose district includes the high school and who chairs the Firearm Safety and Violence Prevention Caucus.
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They mention the filibuster in this one too

High Noon for Senator Murphy
On the day of the school shooting at Oxford High School last week, Senator Chris Murphy delivered a passionate speech on the Senate floor tying together the dishonest “sanctity of life” rhetoric from conservatives and the culture of guns, violence and death that is plaguing America. Senator Murphy has been a leading voice when it comes to gun violence in America ever since the Sandy Hook massacre on ​​December 14, 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut.

So I asked him to join me on this week’s episode of Rumble with Michael Moore. We discussed how America’s founding violence against slaves made the disregard for human life part of our national ethos and how America’s modern day wars overseas continues to legitimize and promote violence both abroad and at home. Senator Murphy wrote a book last year on these subjects titled, “The Violence Inside Us: A Brief History of an Ongoing American Tragedy.” We also discussed the possibility and the limits of gun legislation, the power of visceral, uncensored images to change history, and the potential compromise on filibuster reform.

I hope you’ll give this a listen and share with friends and family.
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Biden: Nation owes school shooting victims more than prayers
“We will never forget the twenty innocent children and six devoted educators whose lives were taken all too soon that terrible morning,” said Lamont, a Democrat.

Biden said it was one of the “saddest days” he and former President Barack Obama had in office. Biden said he found hope in the strength of the families and felt they could pass meaningful reform, but it came up frustratingly short.

“And it’s still frustrating now, for you and me and so many others,” he said, citing other mass school shootings in Parkland, Florida, and recently in Oxford, Michigan. “In countless communities across the country there’s these horrific shootings and make national headlines and embarrass us as a nation.”

He said such shootings happen all the time, particularly in communities of color, and there is no mention in the news.

“As a nation, we owe all these families more than our prayers, we owe them action,” he said.
Too often the action is about singling people out and condemning them by sight though, A nation that has more mass shootings than days of the year has way deeper ills than can be recognized by some sign or red flag.

A culture of inequality and unequal treatment under the law and an economic system that oppresses the majority of its participants and displaces the fruits of their labors to be used against them to do unspeakable cruelty and to the point of impovershment and homelessness is a culture of despair and hidden suffering and brewing storms, And with storms the greater the inequality the more violent and destructive they are.

Need to heal as a nation and in our hearts from the larger injustices to be able to heal from and prevent and secure us from the ones they give birth to.
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School districts increase security after alleged TikTok videos but officials say the threats aren't credible

Educators and law enforcement officials say they haven't seen credible threats of increased violence at schools, but some have increased security following reports of warnings in TikTok videos.

The apparent social media threats had many educators on edge since they were circulating in the aftermath of a deadly school shooting in Michigan, which has been followed by numerous copycat threats to schools elsewhere.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiktok-vid ... =144674408
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