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House of Representatives Condemns Socialism

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Who says the House doesn't do anything?
Even a bipartisan consensus!
Glenn will approve.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3841 ... democrats/
The House on Thursday approved a resolution denouncing socialism in a bipartisan vote that fractured the Democratic caucus.

The resolution overwhelmingly cleared the chamber in a 328-86-14 vote. The majority of Democrats — 109 of them — voted with all Republicans for the resolution, while 86 voted against it and 14 voted “present.”

The measure, which runs three pages, says “socialist ideology necessitates a concentration of power that has time and time again collapsed into Communist regimes, totalitarian rule, and brutal dictatorships.”
(See why we need a 4-quadrant model? Norway is a socialist country, and it's a monarchy. It always scores near the top on those happiness surveys, so they're doing something right. Socialism and concentration of power are two separate issues.)
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Think of all the other things the House of Representatives can vote against in the next two years.

Nobody likes climate change. The House can vote that it is bad. That will save us!

Dandruff. Blech. Nobody likes that. The House can declare that it is un-American. Maybe even a House Anti-Dandruff Committee.

Moose turds. Now THAT is worthy of a resolution any day. The House should definitely go on record with a resounding vote that moose turds actually make lousy pie, Utah Phillips notwithstanding.

How about declaring our independence from the British Crown? I know, been done, but look how popular it was. Time to do it again. That'll keep them busy for a year right there.

Maybe the House could hold an elementary school essay contest on what they should vote against next. Winner gets to watch the vote from the floor.
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About half of the democrats voted pro socialist sounds about right.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:09 am About half of the democrats voted pro socialist sounds about right.
Says the man on ObamaCare signing up for Social Security and Medicare.

Something hilarious happened during the debate. First, it's the right that loves the Soviet Union and China. Glenn loves all those Chinese-made products at Walmart.

But the Republican says "what does Putin, Xi and Kim have in common?"

Maxine Waters drops the mic. "Trump!"

Which was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aKtRZcKo3c
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:14 am Says the man on ObamaCare signing up for Social Security and Medicare.

Something hilarious happened during the debate. First, it's the right that loves the Soviet Union and China. Glenn loves all those Chinese-made products at Walmart.

But the Republican says "what does Putin, Xi and Kim have in common?"

Maxine Waters drops the mic. "Trump!"

Which was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aKtRZcKo3c
Following the law. Btw you just admitted to being a socialist by proclaiming if a person supports any social program they have to support all social programs.
Also I learned from you years ago that SSI and Medicare are insurance programs
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:48 am Following the law. Btw you just admitted to being a socialist by proclaiming if a person supports any social program they have to support all social programs.
Also I learned from you years ago that SSI and Medicare are insurance programs
Ronald Reagan called them socialist. Who do you believe, Reagan or me?
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:48 am Following the law. Btw you just admitted to being a socialist by proclaiming if a person supports any social program they have to support all social programs.
Also I learned from you years ago that SSI and Medicare are insurance programs
SSI and Medicare are entitlement programs under the law. They have always been entitlement programs. You can call them whatever you want but entitlement programs is what they are. The Federal Gov cannot force you to buy insurance. They CAN establish entitlement programs they fund via taxation.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:43 am SSI and Medicare are entitlement programs under the law. They have always been entitlement programs. You can call them whatever you want but entitlement programs is what they are. The Federal Gov cannot force you to buy insurance. They CAN establish entitlement programs they fund via taxation.
Your side calls them socialism. But you’re fine with that socialism aren’t you? You will sign up for both those programs if you haven’t already.
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Dumb performance art bullshit. Waste of time and money. Back to McCarthyism, I see.

Where are the promised bills on the economy? You know, the stuff they ran on? What a clown show.
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:48 am Your side calls them socialism. But you’re fine with that socialism aren’t you? You will sign up for both those programs if you haven’t already.
I call them what they are. Entitlement programs. I always have.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:51 am I call them what they are. Entitlement programs. I always have.
And you sure are entitled, aren’t you? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:03 am And you sure are entitled, aren’t you? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Anyone who qualifies for these programs is entitled to the benefits. Isn’t that what you want? Isn’t that what you advocate?
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So, i'm confused. Is Social Security Socialism or not?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:09 am Anyone who qualifies for these programs is entitled to the benefits. Isn’t that what you want? Isn’t that what you advocate?
I do. I think both plans should be expanded. We have the Democratic Party to thank for them. You’re the one that votes for the party that wants to end them. You’re the one that votes for the party that calls them socialism and has hearings to denounce “socialism”.
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bradman wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:11 am So, i'm confused. Is Social Security Socialism or not?
It is an entitlement program. Nothing more.
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:12 am I do. I think both plans should be expanded. We have the Democratic Party to thank for them. You’re the one that votes for the party that wants to end them. You’re the one that votes for the party that calls them socialism and has hearings to denounce “socialism”.
Well then you should speak to folks who call them socialism. You should speak to folks you claim want to end them. That would not be me. You are barking up the wrong tree.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:14 am It is an entitlement program. Nothing more.
So, it's not a form of Socialism?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:16 am Well then you should speak to folks who call them socialism. You should speak to folks you claim want to end them. That would not be me. You are barking up the wrong tree.
No, YOU vote for them. You defend what they are saying and doing.
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bradman wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:17 am So, it's not a form of Socialism?
I guess that depends on your definition of socialism. The program as designed was to be a safety net for the working poor. Medicare and Medicaid do comprise a sizable share of the health insurance market but they do not control 100%. SSI doesn’t control 100% of retirement and pensions. So to me, they are just safety net programs. I don’t think they need to expand beyond their current mandate and I do think we need to have a realistic conversation on how they are to be funded. They are projected to outrun their funding within the next 10 years.
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:25 am No, YOU vote for them. You defend what they are saying and doing.
No. That’s not a requirement for voting in this country. So show me the polling that says everyone in your party agrees 100 percent on everything. I’m anxious to see that.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:29 am No. That’s not a requirement for voting in this country. So show me the polling that says everyone in your party agrees 100 percent on everything. I’m anxious to see that.
what DO you agree with them on? I mean, right now they want to allow the nation to default on it’s debts. You used to say that business doesn’t like uncertainty. Wouldn’t defaulting on debt cause uncertainty?

And let’s be clear: This is what they campaigned on. This is what you voted for.
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:33 am what DO you agree with them on? I mean, right now they want to allow the nation to default on it’s debts. You used to say that business doesn’t like uncertainty. Wouldn’t defaulting on debt cause uncertainty?

And let’s be clear: This is what they campaigned on. This is what you voted for.
We are discussing social security and Medicare. Not all conservative or Republicans or democrats or liberal progressives are in complete agreement with each other or amongst themselves on these issues. Again, show me polling to support your assertion that voting means 100 percent agreement on every issue. That seems to be your assertion. Correct me if Inam wrong or back up your assertion.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:37 am We are discussing social security and Medicare. Not all conservative or Republicans or democrats or liberal progressives are in complete agreement with each other or amongst themselves on these issues. Again, show me polling to support your assertion that voting means 100 percent agreement on every issue. That seems to be your assertion. Correct me if Inam wrong or back up your assertion.
oh, yes, you like to run away, don’t you? Your Senator wants to have a vote whether to keep or end all federal spending, including on Social Security and Medicare, every three years (I think it’s three years. Might be four). Is that uncertainty? Is that what you agree with?

And why does the right demand Dems cut Social Security and Medicare spending to decrease the Debt? I mean, it’s not funded with the income tax, it’s funded with FICA and right now both programs have surpluses. So why such demands? And yes, they were going to hold the debt ceiling hostage, before Donald Trump told them not to.

Is this reasonable and intelligent governance?

I mean, is there ANYTHING the Republican House is doing right now that you would call “reasonable and intelligent”?
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gounion wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:51 am oh, yes, you like to run away, don’t you? Your Senator wants to have a vote whether to keep or end all federal spending, including on Social Security and Medicare, every three years (I think it’s three years. Might be four). Is that uncertainty? Is that what you agree with?

And why does the right demand Dems cut Social Security and Medicare spending to decrease the Debt? I mean, it’s not funded with the income tax, it’s funded with FICA and right now both programs have surpluses. So why such demands? And yes, they were going to hold the debt ceiling hostage, before Donald Trump told them not to.

Is this reasonable and intelligent governance?

I mean, is there ANYTHING the Republican House is doing right now that you would call “reasonable and intelligent”?
You lie and mischaracterize what I post on a regular basis. You have a well deserved reputation for dishonesty. So why would I believe what you claim other people do or do not believe? Most of what you say is not truthful or accurate.

Again, show me polling that says voting is dependent on 100 complete agreement. Show me where members of your party are in 100 percent agreement on this issue. Otherwise you can’t make your point.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:27 am I guess that depends on your definition of socialism. The program as designed was to be a safety net for the working poor. Medicare and Medicaid do comprise a sizable share of the health insurance market but they do not control 100%. SSI doesn’t control 100% of retirement and pensions. So to me, they are just safety net programs. I don’t think they need to expand beyond their current mandate and I do think we need to have a realistic conversation on how they are to be funded. They are projected to outrun their funding within the next 10 years.
No, it doesn’t “depend on your definition of socialism.” Socialism has a specific definition. Conservatives don’t even know what that is, and use the word “socialism” as a dirty word, like communism and Marxism, to scare their low information, uneducated base, who partake in programs they label “socialism.”
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