Bludogdem wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:55 am
CNN article said the batch found in the office were in a folder marked “personal”. And the batch found at his house were shipped with personal items from the end of his term.
Presidential Records Act affords the Vice President with the same rights as the President The act stipulates that the declaration of personal items is at their sole discretion. Courts have ruled that declaration of personal items is at their sole discretion.
Nothing to investigate. Simply take the classified material back.
Tell that to JoeMemphis and Glennfs, who are calling for massive investigations.
And tell that to Lindsey Graham, who is demanding a Special Counsel to investigate this.
Thought I'd chime in here with a few points then leave it at that.
First. This is a pretty big fuck up by the Biden administration. It's aggravating.
If Trump wasn't under investigation, this wouldn't really be a thing. But because Trump is under investigation for a pile of classified documents, this unfortunately creates a fueled "both sides" issue with public perception and does nothing but help Trump and his legal team.
However, I'm going to assume this is a pretty common occurrence. It's not a crime, though it's frowned upon. High up officials probably often have documents in their possession that they were privy to when they worked in government, that they still have in their possession or that their admin staff haven't handed back. I don't think anyone should have government documents in their possession when they leave office. No, Biden wasn't "hiding" documents. That's just straight up fabricated bullshit I see being delivered by at least one of the local conservatives on this board.
And conservatives feigning outrage over this need to sit down. None of the conservatives in government, like Lindsey Graham, or any of the local conservatives on here gave a shit with the Trump classified documents issue. But all of a sudden they're animated over this. Just another example of how ridiculous they are.
And here's the apples and oranges difference. Biden's team is handing these over and is open to this being investigated.
Whereas Trump lied that he had documents. He kept the huge pile of classified documents in an unsecure location, which is a massive national security risk. He refused to hand the documents over when he was asked then he continued to lie and hide documents when a warrant was issued. Documents are still missing and it could very likely be he's given or sold documents to foreign adversaries. With the Trump case, we're looking at Obstruction of Justice and potential espionage.
If Trump had handed this stuff back over when he was asked, if the documents were secure and stuff wasn't missing, it really wouldn't have been much an issue, either.
I think these document findings were requested by Jack Smith and the DOJ to get this out of the way because of their investigation with Trump, so that it doesn't come up later and cause more problems. Just a guess though.
And on a side regarding the National Archives. This is pretty bad on them, too, because they should have a better records system about what should be in their possession.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"
Well you guys got your wish, a Special Counsel has been appointed, so when Biden is given a clean bill, you can start screaming that it was just a cover-up.
gounion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:35 pm
Well you guys got your wish, a Special Counsel has been appointed, so when Biden is given a clean bill, you can start screaming that it was just a cover-up.
This is a good thing under the circumstances, IMO. It just proves the DOJ is being run properly and isn’t partisan and destroys their stupid arguments about DOJ weaponization, which is really about obstruction of justice with complicit seditionists trying to evade justice.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"
You see how stupid these people are? Why would there be a raid with pictures when these documents were handed over voluntarily? There IS a special council.
And the local republicans think this lying pro Trump idiot who is himself under investigation for J6 is fit to be on investigative committees? You don’t place a burglar in charge of investigating the investigators. That’s obstruction.
The level of stupid is beyond comprehension.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"
A second set of classified documents discovered by aides to President Joe Biden were recovered in the garage of his Wilmington, Delaware, home, the White House confirmed Thursday.
The records were recovered after Biden's lawyers conducted searches of the president's two Delaware residences following an initial discovery of classified records at a former Biden office in Washington, D.C., in November.
“During the review, the lawyers discovered among personal and political papers a small number of additional Obama-Biden administration records with classified markings,” said Richard Sauber, a special counsel to the president. “All but one of these documents were found in storage space in the President’s Wilmington residence garage. One document consisting of one page was discovered among stored materials in an adjacent room."......
....House Speaker Kevin McCarthy reiterated that demand Thursday, suggesting that Garland should apply the same standard in the Biden case for a special counsel appointment.
Drak wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:22 pm
You see how stupid these people are? Why would there be a raid with pictures when these documents were handed over voluntarily? There IS a special council.
And the local republicans think this lying pro Trump idiot who is himself under investigation for J6 is fit to be on investigative committees? You don’t place a burglar in charge of investigating the investigators. That’s obstruction.
The level of stupid is beyond comprehension.
Glad you are back I was worried you left us.
So are you going to accept the special council findings?
gounion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:35 pm
Well you guys got your wish, a Special Counsel has been appointed, so when Biden is given a clean bill, you can start screaming that it was just a cover-up.
Are you going to announce here and now that you are going to accept the special council findings
Glennfs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:09 pm
Are you going to announce here and now that you are going to accept the special council findings
HA! You’re the one that said you’d accept anything that Garland did or decided, but you’ve done nothing but attack him ever since.
What exactly do you think he’s going to find? I mean, they found these documents stored away, and as soon as they found them they called the Archives and turned them over. What did they do wrong?
I mean, is it like when Biden molested a 14-year-old babysitter?
I honestly don't care if the special counsel clears Biden or not. How stupid do you have to be not to have ordered a sweep six months ago to make sure your own house, not to mention your garage and your Corvette, are in order when your party has made a big stink over an admittedly far worse, but still superficially similar, infraction by TFG?
I watched about 5 minutes of the presser today, and they are in a feeding frenzy. It's as scary as anything in Jaws. These people are going to have a field day with this, and it was all so unnecessary.
Really now, Joe, you have massively disappointed me. Maybe I've been around showbiz too long, but I mean really. These bad-PR lapses can kill your career, and they are SO unnecessary. After such a goof, it's game over on that issue.
In general, the Democrats need to be trying a lot harder than this.
"We must remember that we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation." --Liz Cheney, Republican, 7/21/22
Glennfs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:08 pm
Glad you are back I was worried you left us.
So are you going to accept the special council findings?
Dumb question. I already said a few up I think this is a good idea. The difference here is that Biden is turning these documents over. There is no crime. This stuff is frowned upon, but it's not a crime. The only reason there's a special council here is because of the attacks on the DOJ by the GOP. Trump wouldn't even have a special council for all the documents he had/has in his possession if he didn't attempt to hide, obstruct and lie about the documents, then refuse to return them. There's a HUGE difference here. But you're in here hyper focused on Biden because that's what you've been told to do.
And it's not a surprise that you ignore dumb Gym Jordan's comments.
"Some of those that work forces,
Are the same that burn crosses"
gounion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:18 pm
HA! You’re the one that said you’d accept anything that Garland did or decided, but you’ve done nothing but attack him ever since.
What exactly do you think he’s going to find? I mean, they found these documents stored away, and as soon as they found them they called the Archives and turned them over. What did they do wrong?
I mean, is it like when Biden molested a 14-year-old babysitter?
The answer Glen is no.
I dunno if there is a crime in either case. I will let these special counsel’s decide. I do know that folks are serving time for mishandling classified material so under certain circumstances it is serious and some prosecutors, judges and juries in the past have treated it as such.
JoeMemphis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:02 pm
The answer Glen is no.
I dunno if there is a crime in either case. I will let these special counsel’s decide. I do know that folks are serving time for mishandling classified material so under certain circumstances it is serious and some prosecutors, judges and juries in the past have treated it as such.
You serious dumbass. You don't think refusing to answer a subpoena might be a crime?
And this is where we point out you idiots are supporting Trump by trying to pretend what happened to Biden is the same.
gounion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:20 pm
You serious dumbass. You don't think refusing to answer a subpoena might be a crime?
And this is where we point out you idiots are supporting Trump by trying to pretend what happened to Biden is the same.
Ask Hillary if failing to answer a subpoena is a crime. Ask Eric Holder if failing to answer a subpoena is a crime. Ask Lois Lerner if failing to answer a subpoena is a crime. Since when have you been worried about subpoenas?
There are people in jail for mishandling classified materials. So some folks do take this kind of thing seriously. They are mostly concerned with National Security and put that above party politics.
ZoWie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:25 pm
I honestly don't care if the special counsel clears Biden or not. How stupid do you have to be not to have ordered a sweep six months ago to make sure your own house, not to mention your garage and your Corvette, are in order when your party has made a big stink over an admittedly far worse, but still superficially similar, infraction by TFG?
I watched about 5 minutes of the presser today, and they are in a feeding frenzy. It's as scary as anything in Jaws. These people are going to have a field day with this, and it was all so unnecessary.
Really now, Joe, you have massively disappointed me. Maybe I've been around showbiz too long, but I mean really. These bad-PR lapses can kill your career, and they are SO unnecessary. After such a goof, it's game over on that issue.
In general, the Democrats need to be trying a lot harder than this.
Best part is Biden on 60 minutes talking about how irresponsible it is to miss handle documents
gounion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:35 pm
Well you guys got your wish, a Special Counsel has been appointed, so when Biden is given a clean bill, you can start screaming that it was just a cover-up.
And the MAGATS are already attacking him as being a member of the "deep state" even though he was appointed by FORMER PRESIDENT 666!
In general, the cases are different. Biden did not refuse to cooperate. He himself offered to return these documents once he knew he had them.
So no, it wasn't necessary to raid him.
Yeah, I know, he has handed the Qcumbers of the House something to play with for the next 2 years. First they'll expunge Donald's two impeachments, then impeach Biden.
They don't need much to run their circus, but he just handed their ringmasters a nice gift.
Yes, I accept whatever the Special Counsel finds.
"Don't believe every quote attributed to people on the Internet" -- Abraham Lincoln
gounion wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:32 pm
You are pretending what Trump did was just the same, aren’t you?
Don’t tell me you don’t support him.
For the third time and this time I will type even slower and maybe hire a moron to explain it to you.
The Biden mishandling of documents is a different case and has nothing to do with Trump.
They are two separate incidents. How many different times and ways does that have to be said.
Glennfs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:04 am
For the third time and this time I will type even slower and maybe hire a moron to explain it to you.
The Biden mishandling of documents is a different case and has nothing to do with Trump.
They are two separate incidents. How many different times and ways does that have to be said.
Except that you're hoping that it gets Trump off the hook, because you don't want anything to happen to him. Biden, on the other hand, you want to see in prison.
The document discovery was November 2. So for two months it was kept secret. A pretty tight bit of control. Now given how benign the whole thing was, the cooperation, small number of documents. They could have kept it quiet forever. Just quietly tell the small contingent of people who knew “no harm no foul”.
Then Merrick Garland did a rather odd thing. He asked John Lausch, the U.S. Attorney in Northern Illinois to review the documents. Very peculiar. Especially given that John Lausch was one of two remaining Trump appointed U.S. Attorneys still in service. Now who would you pick if you wanted this unknown situation leaked to the press?
Looks like the Democratic Party does not want Joe Biden to run for President again.
Bludogdem wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:44 am
There are a few peculiar features here.
The document discovery was November 2. So for two months it was kept secret. A pretty tight bit of control. Now given how benign the whole thing was, the cooperation, small number of documents. They could have kept it quiet forever. Just quietly tell the small contingent of people who knew “no harm no foul”.
Then Merrick Garland did a rather odd thing. He asked John Lausch, the U.S. Attorney in Northern Illinois to review the documents. Very peculiar. Especially given that John Lausch was one of two remaining Trump appointed U.S. Attorneys still in service. Now who would you pick if you wanted this unknown situation leaked to the press?
Looks like the Democratic Party does not want Joe Biden to run for President again.
No, here's what they COULD have done. Closed up the boxes, pretended it never happened, and not said a word at all, instead if IMMEDIATELY calling the Archives.
It's hilarious how you guys try to re-write history.
