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My wife and I have survived so far, but things aren’t looking good with the new variant. So we’re going back into the lockdown mode we were in this time last year, with a few additions.

Now because of the increased transmittability of the new variant, I’ve ordered NIOSH N95 masks that I will wear out in public. No eating out, I will shop for groceries early in the morning when crowds are light. We may get carry-out or delivery, but I’m back to being a full-time cook which is fine.

Nice thing about shopping early is everyone else is worried too and wearing masks. It’s funny - here in Tennessee the only ones wearing masks are the ones already vaxxed.

Until further notice. I hope it’s better by spring, as I have some music festivals I plan to go to next year. We’ll see.

Only problem is my wife is out of state, seeing her father. Planned to fly back Friday. At this moment, she’s going to wear a NIOSH mask. But if it worsens, I may drive down to get her. We’ll see.
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Even the LA Times had to run a typically LA take on it all... "Not the Christmas we wanted." Awwwwwwwwwwww. Yeah, you can't even go to the beach. Poor boobies.

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I had a couple of real industrial N95s from art making that were unused, and now one is in the car, ready for action. People in LA were pretty good at scheduling lunches etc outside, but now it's the rainiest December in decades. This does not bode well for public health.

We also have a box of KN95s of the sort that Fauci says work better than the omnipresent polyproplyene masks that always fog up your glasses or slip down around your nose. The KN95s were being saved for airport/airplane use, but now they'll have to be broken out too.

I'm noticing a lot more of these out in the street, though yes, they're typically on people who you can just tell by looking have gotten their shots and avoided crowded bar scenes. The people who really need to mask up are, of course, still proud of the fact that they don't.

They'll learn. My advice is not to go anywhere in January. The weather will probably suck anyway.
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ZoWie wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:12 pm Even the LA Times had to run a typically LA take on it all... "Not the Christmas we wanted." Awwwwwwwwwwww. Yeah, you can't even go to the beach. Poor boobies.

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I had a couple of real industrial N95s from art making that were unused, and now one is in the car, ready for action. People in LA were pretty good at scheduling lunches etc outside, but now it's the rainiest December in decades. This does not bode well for public health.

We also have a box of KN95s of the sort that Fauci says work better than the omnipresent polyproplyene masks that always fog up your glasses or slip down around your nose. The KN95s were being saved for airport/airplane use, but now they'll have to be broken out too.

I'm noticing a lot more of these out in the street, though yes, they're typically on people who you can just tell by looking have gotten their shots and avoided crowded bar scenes. The people who really need to mask up are, of course, still proud of the fact that they don't.

They'll learn. My advice is not to go anywhere in January. The weather will probably suck anyway.
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gounion wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:56 am My wife and I have survived so far, but things aren’t looking good with the new variant. So we’re going back into the lockdown mode we were in this time last year, with a few additions.

Now because of the increased transmittability of the new variant, I’ve ordered NIOSH N95 masks that I will wear out in public. No eating out, I will shop for groceries early in the morning when crowds are light. We may get carry-out or delivery, but I’m back to being a full-time cook which is fine.

Nice thing about shopping early is everyone else is worried too and wearing masks. It’s funny - here in Tennessee the only ones wearing masks are the ones already vaxxed.

Until further notice. I hope it’s better by spring, as I have some music festivals I plan to go to next year. We’ll see.

Only problem is my wife is out of state, seeing her father. Planned to fly back Friday. At this moment, she’s going to wear a NIOSH mask. But if it worsens, I may drive down to get her. We’ll see.
See my post to Zowie, can you share with us what exactly masks you have and why you got them, what advice or from where were you following?

There are so many N95 out there...head swimming. I have used nothing else since day one, I have never used the ear loops or surgical or cloth etc.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:00 pm See my post to Zowie, can you share with us what exactly masks you have and why you got them, what advice or from where were you following?

There are so many N95 out there...head swimming. I have used nothing else since day one, I have never used the ear loops or surgical or cloth etc.
Yes, it's tough. I did a bunch of research. Here's the list of CDC recommended NIOSH N95 masks. But there's a ton of them on there.

Here's what I settled on, from Amazon: Honeywell Surgical N95 Respirator, Safety NIOSH-Approved, 20-pack (DC365N95HC)
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gounion wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:15 pm Yes, it's tough. I did a bunch of research. Here's the list of CDC recommended NIOSH N95 masks. But there's a ton of them on there.

Here's what I settled on, from Amazon: Honeywell Surgical N95 Respirator, Safety NIOSH-Approved, 20-pack (DC365N95HC)
Way too many as you say.

Those are cheap, I dont mean quality but half the price of what I bought. I have been known to wear the one I show here and one of these AT THE SAME TIME that I bought Costco

https://www.costco.com/niosh-n95-round- ... 07773.html

I went thru all 100 of them by wearing them for a few days each. I could have made them last longer but they get out of shape a little bit so I toss em.

And of course I assume everyone knows how to put an N95 or KN95 on, how the two straps go.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+ ... aQ1peABQ43

If you are not doing this, the mask isn't working.

ps Gounion, I bought more of those that I linked to at Costco and they seemed to fit too tight compared to the first box, so I returned them. Are yours touching the nose at all and uncomfortable at all?
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Two things I want to note:

1. Omicron seems less likely than Delta to wind you up in the hospital or morgue because it doesn't seem to go as deep into the lungs. Especially if you are vaccinated and boosted.
1a. I'm not saying it isn't something to worry about -- long COVID has happened in breakthrough cases, and you can still spread it to others.
1b, The people in the deepest doodoo are the unvaccinated and those relying on so-called natural or "herd" immunity from previous Alpha infections.
2. The reason it seems way more infectious is while less deadly, it staying mostly in the upper respiratory tract means you expel and spread more of it.

The data from South Africa suggests their Omicron wave was fast, intense, and might have possibly already peaked. This tends to happen with really fast spreading viruses. They kinda "burn" themselves out.

Finally, the CDC continues to recommend that while N95 masks are best, lower quality ones are still somewhat effective as long as they are worn properly and have the right materials/layers. It is MORE important the infected wear them than the uninfected, but the best benefit is from both sides wearing them.

A message from your friendly neighborhood social scientists who occasionally dabbles in public health.

Hunker down. This one could be over soon. Caution until it does is definitely warranted.
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ProfX wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:32 pm Two things I want to note:

1. Omicron seems less likely than Delta to wind you up in the hospital or morgue because it doesn't seem to go as deep into the lungs. Especially if you are vaccinated and boosted.
1a. I'm not saying it isn't something to worry about -- long COVID has happened in breakthrough cases, and you can still spread it to others.
1b, The people in the deepest doodoo are the unvaccinated and those relying on so-called natural or "herd" immunity from previous Alpha infections.
2. The reason it seems way more infectious is while less deadly, it staying mostly in the upper respiratory tract means you expel and spread more of it.

The data from South Africa suggests their Omicron wave was fast, intense, and might have possibly already peaked. This tends to happen with really fast spreading viruses. They kinda "burn" themselves out.

Finally, the CDC continues to recommend that while N95 masks are best, lower quality ones are still somewhat effective as long as they are worn properly and have the right materials/layers. It is MORE important the infected wear them than the uninfected, but the best benefit is from both sides wearing them.

A message from your friendly neighborhood social scientists who occasionally dabbles in public health.

Hunker down. This one could be over soon. Caution until it does is definitely warranted.
Yep, all of that is good and while I have heard all that I am still concerned mostly because of my other conditions. But thank you for that, because there is reason to be less worried if vaxxed and boosted!

ALThOUGH having said that I was having chest pains again, after getting my 3rd stent last June so my cardiologist set me up with a nuclear stress test, and the running part of that I decided to train for it by doing long walks for several weeks even in the rain (I walk anyway but these were longer) to make sure I could do the full 6 to 8 minutes to get the heart rate up to 130 and keep it there for a full minute which I managed to do successfully, good for me yay yay.

Just got the results, most of you hear if those results applied to you you'd have a problem and want to see your doctor right away, good news for me is most of what they found I already had and they knew about it and I don't have any new issues so I'm OK for now.

On the flip side many years of not drinking enough water I have some kidney numbers that aren't good so we will see what happens there. Fuck

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gounion wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:15 pm Yes, it's tough. I did a bunch of research. Here's the list of CDC recommended NIOSH N95 masks. But there's a ton of them on there.

Here's what I settled on, from Amazon: Honeywell Surgical N95 Respirator, Safety NIOSH-Approved, 20-pack (DC365N95HC)
I ordered a box of 50 of Honeywell DF300 H910P N95 masks from Amazon yesterday. I'm going to Las Vegas for a bowling tournament in the third week of January so I wanted something more protective than just the reusable cloth and the disposable masks. These masks are on you CDC link so that gives me raises my comfort level. I'll wear these masks while I'm in the bowling center and in the casino.

I'll continue using my regular cloth masks for normal activities like shopping and going to the library and the disposable masks for bowling.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:05 pm I ordered a box of 50 of Honeywell DF300 H910P N95 masks from Amazon yesterday. I'm going to Las Vegas for a bowling tournament in the third week of January so I wanted something more protective than just the reusable cloth and the disposable masks. These masks are on you CDC link so that gives me raises my comfort level. I'll wear these masks while I'm in the bowling center and in the casino.

I'll continue using my regular cloth masks for normal activities like shopping and going to the library and the disposable masks for bowling.
Like I said, everybody here knows how the 2 strap system works I assume. I get a kick out of people on Amazon who complain about the two straps and then they say why cant they just fit around the ears like the others. Then that wouldnt be an N95 mask, idiot.

These look good, for sure.

$40 is cheap too. For 50. Just looked em up on Amazon.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:30 pm Like I said, everybody here knows how the 2 strap system works I assume. I get a kick out of people on Amazon who complain about the two straps and then they say why cant they just fit around the ears like the others. Then that wouldnt be an N95 mask, idiot.
I think the problem those people have with the straps is the mask has too many moving parts. :lol:
These look good, for sure.

$40 is cheap too. For 50. Just looked em up on Amazon.
Last year N95 masks were hard to come by because most of them were reserved for medical personnel, first responders, and other essential personnel. As the world began to reopen and manufacturing resumed the supply of N95 masks became readily available causing prices to drop. The main point of the mask I chose is it's a CDC approved N95 mask meaning it will filter out particles that are .3 micron or larger.
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The cheesy surgical masks you see are effective as long as they seal properly around the nose, which most don't. You want the ones made of a certain type of layered polypropylene. The ads will tell you when it's the right kind. This material is effective at keeping enough of the virus either out or in, depending, to make a difference.

People who wear glasses have learned how to work the mask up under the glasses, and then as long as they're not fogging up you have a good enough seal for just venturing out into public. I don't know if they'd do much good in the gym.

We were keeping a box of real industrial grade N95s for the plane, but now if things get much worse there will be no plane in our future, and we broke them out.

I suspect that right now there's a run on these and they could be pretty hard to score for a while, or be offered by 3rd party vendors online for black market prices.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:53 pm The cheesy surgical masks you see are effective as long as they seal properly around the nose, which most don't. You want the ones made of a certain type of layered polypropylene. The ads will tell you when it's the right kind. This material is effective at keeping enough of the virus either out or in, depending, to make a difference.

People who wear glasses have learned how to work the mask up under the glasses, and then as long as they're not fogging up you have a good enough seal for just venturing out into public. I don't know if they'd do much good in the gym.

We were keeping a box of real industrial grade N95s for the plane, but now if things get much worse there will be no plane in our future, and we broke them out.

I suspect that right now there's a run on these and they could be pretty hard to score for a while, or be offered by 3rd party vendors online for black market prices.
I wear glasses and it's hard to keep them from fogging up indoors. Outside, not problem because there's usually a light breeze that keeps them clear. The nose clips on my masks are useless. I've tried a couple of different methods to prevent my glasses from fogging up like using an anti-fogging product on the glasses but that didn't work. I've tried twisting the ear straps to tighten the mask and that somewhat helps. I mostly have to position my glasses a little lower on my nose bridge using the weight of the glasses to help seal the mask. Not the best solution. I'm looking at getting some double-sided sticky tape and taping the mask just under my eyes.
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Update. My wife decided not to fly home Friday. I'm going to go down Wednesday to get her. Safer.
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The new variant isn't much more than a bad cold. While I am not going to go.out of my way to catch it. I am also not going to hide under my bed in fear.
Being fully vaccinated the risk/reward factor tells me the risk is worth the reward as opposed of living in fear

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On planet earth, the new variant may be combining with delta for what is an unknown future. Could be much more death on the way, we dont know.

We do know cons continue to pretend there is nothing to see here.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:31 pm The new variant isn't much more than a bad cold. While I am not going to go.out of my way to catch it. I am also not going to hide under my bed in fear.
Being fully vaccinated the risk/reward factor tells me the risk is worth the reward as opposed of living in fear

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/21/well ... covid.html
I don't think anyone is stupid enough, except for those who throw COVID-19 parties for the purpose of catching it (yes, this is a real thing) to go out of their way to catch it but that doesn't mean we take any of its variants lightly. I'll still continue to wear a mask in stores and places where there are a lot of people. I'll continue doing social distancing. I also wash my hands whenever I come home even if it's just to take the garbage to our complex's bin. COVID-19 has changed our way of living and the drastic measures we took since the beginning of the pandemic have lessened.

I'm fully vaccinated with two shots of Moderna and the Moderna booster and while I don't live in fear of COVID-19 I do respect the fact there are many people who won't get vaccinated and/or wear masks around others. Because of these assholes, the number of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations is rising.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:31 pm The new variant isn't much more than a bad cold. While I am not going to go.out of my way to catch it. I am also not going to hide under my bed in fear.
Being fully vaccinated the risk/reward factor tells me the risk is worth the reward as opposed of living in fear

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/21/well ... covid.html
That's NOT what the article says. While that quote is in there - the rest of the article says different.

But that's what you said about the original COVID to.

People are dying from the new variant. We DO NOT KNOW YET how severe it really is.

And I'm not "hiding under my bed in fear". Fuck off. I'm retired, so that I don't have to go out and work. I'm not going to chance catching this thing and dying, or have my wife die, because YOU think it won't be any more than "a bad cold".

Show me your medical degree, I'll listen to you. Until then, I'll listen to experts.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:31 pm The new variant isn't much more than a bad cold. While I am not going to go.out of my way to catch it. I am also not going to hide under my bed in fear.
Being fully vaccinated the risk/reward factor tells me the risk is worth the reward as opposed of living in fear

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/21/well ... covid.html
Not a matter of living in fear. It's a matter of avoiding denial. One of the most contagious viruses ever discovered is abroad in the world, and it will affect every living thing on the planet. This has happened before, and we will survive it, but I wish people would take it more seriously and consider it an emergency. We do that for hurricanes, floods, etc, why not for this?

That Don't Look Up movie is about precisely this, and it's number one on Netflix. I think my view is catching on. Just common sense, really. If you see a truck hurtling toward you, the choice between jumping out of the street vs. blaming Joe Biden for not being God becomes a very clear and present one deserving one's full attention.
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This article is over one week old. A lot has happened in a week.

COVID is once again spiking thanks to disease-spreading colonizer mentalities like yours.

Who is spreading COVID-19? CU Boulder did a study to find out. - 9 News
Positivity rates in Summit County have county officials warning all to be cautious. The seven-day average went from roughly 7.5% to about 24% in just a week. Boulder County's seven-day average also increased by 160% in one week.
COVID spread on 89 ‘petri dish’ cruise ships, prompting CDC investigations - Seattle Times

Coronavirus Can Spread to Heart, Brain Days After Infection - WebMD

Tennessee facing rapid increase in COVID community spread, doctors say - WKRN

Omicron variant is spiking in Florida. This free tool compares the spread of COVID-19 in your area - Palm Beach Post

Child COVID hospitalizations are increasing as omicron continues to spread - KCRA/CNN
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ZoWie wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:32 pm Not a matter of living in fear. It's a matter of avoiding denial. One of the most contagious viruses ever discovered is abroad in the world, and it will affect every living thing on the planet. This has happened before, and we will survive it, but I wish people would take it more seriously and consider it an emergency. We do that for hurricanes, floods, etc, why not for this?

That Don't Look Up movie is about precisely this, and it's number one on Netflix. I think my view is catching on. Just common sense, really. If you see a truck hurtling toward you, the choice between jumping out of the street vs. blaming Joe Biden for not being God becomes a very clear and present one deserving one's full attention.
Thanks, Z. As one of the articles from Carmen points out, there can be serious complications from COVID far beyond the "bad cold". if i weren't retired, and had to work, I would. I would just wear an N95 mask at all times.

I have a lot of plans for when this thing DOES pass, and I don't want to contract a debilitating chronic condition if I don't have to.

And Glenn has Netflix. I wonder if he'll watch this movie. I doubt it. He doesn't want to hear what he doesn't want to hear.
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So ... generally if you don't have high risk pre-existing conditions, are vaxed & boosted, Omicron seems unlikely to land you in the hospital. "Unlikely" does not mean impossible. BTW, "just a cold" is kinda underestimating what some folks are reporting.

... breakthrough cases leading to what's known as "Long COVID" where conditions might last a year or more are being reported. How frequently? Still being studied.

... but ya know, it's not all about you, and there are people who come in contact with you, and might not be vax'd at all, and some not by choice (very young children, people with immunosuppression, etc.). As for the ones by choice ... well, I might not agree with their choice, but do you really want to be the one responsible for adding them to the death counter? Cuz those folks are still going to the hospital, and dying.

... and finally by participating in being among the infected, you're still allowing the virus another chance to mutate ... possibly into something worse.

All in all, you should still be trying to avoid infection, and more importantly, spreading to others.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:24 am Thanks, Z. As one of the articles from Carmen points out, there can be serious complications from COVID far beyond the "bad cold". if i weren't retired, and had to work, I would. I would just wear an N95 mask at all times.

I have a lot of plans for when this thing DOES pass, and I don't want to contract a debilitating chronic condition if I don't have to.

And Glenn has Netflix. I wonder if he'll watch this movie. I doubt it. He doesn't want to hear what he doesn't want to hear.
As I already said I didn't care for the movie but 2 of my daughters loved it
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:31 pm The new variant isn't much more than a bad cold.
You guys are shoveling yourselves to early graves with this propaganda.
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