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ap215 wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:59 am Pres Biden gives update on $1.75T spending bill, infrastructure plan | WATCH LIVE

https://abc7chicago.com/biden-spending- ... /11176217/
Hot dog, Biden got a little bit extra in that bill over what the framework was talked about in the news just two days ago.

:D

The same amount over what my estimate of what was possible as of four months ago. I remember saying a long time ago that I thought it was possible to get Manchin to vote for 1.5 trillion and not a bit more.

:)

I expect Manchin like pork for his state as well as anyone.
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Get it done. Progressives need to accept this and attempt wins at the midterms to attempt more. Not all or nothing now. Going all or nothing now, like I’m hearing from some, is not going to help with the upcoming elections.
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Drak wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:46 pm Get it done. Progressives need to accept this and attempt wins at the midterms to attempt more. Not all or nothing now. Going all or nothing now, like I’m hearing from some, is not going to help with the upcoming elections.
If progs do that
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

But while they threaten a tantrum, lets not forget who is to blame for all of this...the ENTIRE GOP has refused to help Americans with safer roads and air and more jobs and on and on. All cons are fascist killers who need to leave the country TODAY!
I sigh in your general direction.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:48 pm If progs do that
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

But while they threaten a tantrum, lets not forget who is to blame for all of this...the ENTIRE GOP has refused to help Americans with safer roads and air and more jobs and on and on. All cons are fascist killers who need to leave the country TODAY!
19 repub senators voted yes on the infrastructure bill. So you’re wrong.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:48 pm If progs do that
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

But while they threaten a tantrum, lets not forget who is to blame for all of this...the ENTIRE GOP has refused to help Americans with safer roads and air and more jobs and on and on. All cons are fascist killers who need to leave the country TODAY!
I would change the word blame to thank
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:33 pm I would change the word blame to thank
You going to blame the left when you retire and draw Social Security and Medicare?

Or the GOP who tried to destroy it?
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Sinema is still saying no. She spent the morning making dumb skit videos with Mitt.
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Drak wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:47 pm Sinema is still saying no. She spent the morning making dumb skit videos with Mitt.
Her con owners have a plan for us. Make it look like dems are to blame, when they are not, so we lose the House and Senate and so on.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:48 pm Her con owners have a plan for us. Make it look like dems are to blame, when they are not, so we lose the House and Senate and so on.
Yes.
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All jokes aside I believe the tax plan they came up is fair and just. My only worry is that it won't raise enough revenue. But, on the other hand it might raise more than we need.

None of us will know until the revenue starts coming in. But, at the end of the day the tax plan turned out fine and in a manner that shouldn't hurt our economy or effect those high income folks who have to pay it.
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gounion wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:43 pm You going to blame the left when you retire and draw Social Security and Medicare?

Or the GOP who tried to destroy it?
Those are insurance plans that I spent 50 years paying into...
.remember.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 pm Those are insurance plans that I spent 50 years paying into...
.remember.
And if it was up to the people you vote for, you'd have nothing for those years putting in.

And it's closer to 40 years, unless you started working somewhere at 12...
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gounion wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:40 pm And if it was up to the people you vote for, you'd have nothing for those years putting in.

And it's closer to 40 years, unless you started working somewhere at 12...
Age 15 won't start collecting ssi until between 65 and 70
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:36 pm Those are insurance plans that I spent 50 years paying into...
.remember.
They are entitlement programs the government calls insurance. You don’t own anything.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:44 pm They are entitlement programs the government calls insurance. You don’t own anything.
And they WORK. I guarantee YOU'LL be drawing on both of them!

But they ARE social insurance. For instance, if you are disabled, it pays benefits for the rest of your life. If you die, your children receives benefits until they are 21.

As much as the people YOU VOTE FOR hate them and want to end them, they WORK.
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gounion wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:48 pm And they WORK. I guarantee YOU'LL be drawing on both of them!

But they ARE social insurance. For instance, if you are disabled, it pays benefits for the rest of your life. If you die, your children receives benefits until they are 21.

As much as the people YOU VOTE FOR hate them and want to end them, they WORK.
You can call them anything you like. But within the government they are entitlement program funds by taxes. The trust funds don’t really mean anything. If they run out the government will monetize all this to pay benefits. Nobody is going to cut them. They may make minor reforms. One day they may actually means test them.

The are safety net programs. At least that was the thought.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:47 pm You can call them anything you like. But within the government they are entitlement program funds by taxes. The trust funds don’t really mean anything. If they run out the government will monetize all this to pay benefits. Nobody is going to cut them. They may make minor reforms. One day they may actually means test them.

The are safety net programs. At least that was the thought.
And they are. There is no way at all to fund health care for seniors except this way. It's where conservatism and capitalism fails.

Our problem is, to keep the people you vote for from having full power, because they WILL end these programs.

OR, if they get enough right-wing nuts on the Supreme Court, they will declare them unconstitutional, Which IS what the far right says they are.
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Drak wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:47 pm Sinema is still saying no. She spent the morning making dumb skit videos with Mitt.
I don't know what you're talking about. You didn't give a link or quote a source.

This is what Kyrsten Sinema said at 8:45 this morning:
After months of productive, good-faith negotiations with @POTUS and the White House, we have made significant progress on the proposed budget reconciliation package. I look forward to getting this done, expanding economic opportunities and helping everyday families get ahead.
https://twitter.com/SenatorSinema/statu ... gr%5Etweet
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From my experience being involved in DC, I've always felt at the very end, both would be on board. In the Bob Woodward book Peril, when they were working on the first infrastructure bill, Manchin told Biden he would NEVER block Biden's legacy - which is Build Back Better. He said he would be there at the end.

So I figured the same here. And Sinema - I'm here to tell you I'm so disappointed in her. But it's the same thing there. If she blocked Biden's signature bill, she'd be toast. So I think she's there in the end too.

But they wanted to heavily shape the bill. I understand that Big Pharma gave her a TON of money. And... (here's the final provisions) the provision to allow Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices is gone. Congrats, Joe, your gravy train will continue unabated!

It looks like the money pharma puts into buying these lawmakers sure pays off! And the American people will pay the price.

But it also says that Glenn will be saving about $600 a year in ObamaCare health insurance prices. I'm sure you'll pretend it's not happening, Glenn.
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gounion wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:55 pm And they are. There is no way at all to fund health care for seniors except this way. It's where conservatism and capitalism fails.

Our problem is, to keep the people you vote for from having full power, because they WILL end these programs.

OR, if they get enough right-wing nuts on the Supreme Court, they will declare them unconstitutional, Which IS what the far right says they are.
You are entitled to your opinion. IMO nobody seriously expects any politician to end those programs. Way too many seniors who vote. It’s just a talking point to frighten seniors.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:13 pm You are entitled to your opinion. IMO nobody seriously expects any politician to end those programs. Way too many seniors who vote. It’s just a talking point to frighten seniors.
That’s why they’d love to have the Supreme Court kill it. That way they could deny they ever planned it, and it would be done and nothing could be done about it, short of a Constitutional amendment.
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sam lefthand wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:56 pm I don't know what you're talking about. You didn't give a link or quote a source.

This is what Kyrsten Sinema said at 8:45 this morning:



https://twitter.com/SenatorSinema/statu ... gr%5Etweet
Sorry I was flying around today. Here are some links from the time of my posts.

Lauren Fox Verified
@FoxReports
After meeting with Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, Rep. Pramila Jayapal says she is still unchanged and would vote against The infrastructure bill if it came to the floor today. The congresswoman said it was a great conversation with Sinema, but declined to say if she got any assurances.
1:35 PM · Oct 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:35 pm All jokes aside I believe the tax plan they came up is fair and just. My only worry is that it won't raise enough revenue. But, on the other hand it might raise more than we need.

None of us will know until the revenue starts coming in. But, at the end of the day the tax plan turned out fine and in a manner that shouldn't hurt our economy or effect those high income folks who have to pay it.
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Drak wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:34 pm Sorry I was flying around today. Here are some links from the time of my posts.

Lauren Fox Verified
@FoxReports
After meeting with Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, Rep. Pramila Jayapal says she is still unchanged and would vote against The infrastructure bill if it came to the floor today. The congresswoman said it was a great conversation with Sinema, but declined to say if she got any assurances.
1:35 PM · Oct 28, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

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https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1 ... 1868438533
That explains it Drak, it fits in with what Rep. Pramila Jayapal has been reported today as having said elsewhere, not what Sinema has said.

It's Jaypal who's still unchanged and would still vote against the highway infrastructure bill if it came to the house floor today as a stand alone bill like they were trying to do about a month ago.

Jaypal doesn't trust the Senators, and for good reason, they are not trust worthy.

She's going to continue to block the bipartisan highway infrastructure bill until the Senate votes for and passes the budget resolution human infrastructure bill as package along with the highway infrastructure bill.

Sinema is on board.

Jaypal will be on board in the House when the time comes, assuming that the Senator's perform and pass the budget resolution. I would imagine Jaypal is doing exactly what Pelosi wants her to do while Pelosi pretends that she's irritated by it.

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