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ProfX wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:05 am Why Republicans Won’t Confirm This Renowned Holocaust Scholar
https://www.thedailybeast.com/republica ... h-lipstadt

When Deborah Lipstadt was nominated last summer to lead an expanded State Department office as an ambassador to monitor and confront antisemitism abroad, the appointment appeared ready to sail through. Professor Lipstadt is a renowned scholar of the Holocaust, the author of six books, and an expert on contemporary antisemitism in all its shapes and forms.

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Lipstadt is one of hundreds of Biden appointees to Senate-confirmed positions languishing in a GOP-imposed limbo—the worst partisan blockade ever, according to the non-partisan Partnership for Public Service. Republican foot-dragging on Lipstadt is thought to stem from a tweet she sent in March of 2020 countering GOP Senator Ron Johnson’s assertion that if the Jan. 6 rioters had been Antifa or Black Lives Matter backers instead of Trump supporters “who love this country, that truly respect law enforcement,” he would have felt more threatened.
Lipstadt tweeted, “This is white supremacy/nationalism. Pure and simple.”

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Lipstadt, 74, is a recognized authority on antisemitism, its history, rhetoric, language and symbols. Her 1993 book, “Denying the Holocaust,” prompted a lawsuit from author and Holocaust denier David Irving under British libel laws that Lipstadt won after a lengthy trial in London. The 2016 movie, “Denial,” starring Rachel Weisz as Lipstadt, recreates the event.

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Lipstadt was an expert witness at last year’s trial in Charlottesville of the white supremacists who marched with tiki torches in the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally. She testified that she saw “a great deal of overt antisemitism and adulation of the Third Reich in the evidence” presented at the trial. She described at length the “replacement theory” to destroy white national societies that she saw in “an overwhelming fashion” in Charlottesville, where the marchers chanted, “Jews will not replace us.” She described the Charlottesville march as “a call to battle.”

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Senate Republicans are on trial as to whether they can see past one senator’s pique to confirm a scholar who understands history and is not afraid to call out those who dare repeat it. The best you can say about the GOP’s stalling on Lipstadt is that she’s not alone. The Senate has confirmed 355 (out of 644) Biden executive level appointees. At this point in George W. Bush’s term, the number was 505 (out of 677), and for Barack Obama, it was 450 (out of 653). (Trump only nominated 555 in the same time frame, and he had a Republican Senate, so his stats are not comparable.)

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I am a huge fan of how she spanked David Irving in court, hard, and made him cry. It sent a pang of fear into the hearts of the Holocaust deniers, and that gives me joy.
Last time I checked the Republicans do not control the Senate. Democrats have been in charge of the Senate since before Biden took office. The Dems whine when they aren’t in charge and they whine when they are in charge. If all they are going to do is whine either way, why put them in charge of anything?
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:15 pm Last time I checked the Republicans do not control the Senate. Democrats have been in charge of the Senate since before Biden took office. The Dems whine when they aren’t in charge and they whine when they are in charge. If all they are going to do is whine either way, why put them in charge of anything?
White conservatism is destroying this country, and you’re an eager part of it.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:15 pm Last time I checked the Republicans do not control the Senate. Democrats have been in charge of the Senate since before Biden took office. The Dems whine when they aren’t in charge and they whine when they are in charge. If all they are going to do is whine either way, why put them in charge of anything?
Yeah, Joe, we should put Trump back in power, right, because the GOP did such a great job under him?
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Florida could shield whites from ‘discomfort’ of racist past - AP

What's interesting to me is that it's just conservative whites who are dependent on the government to shield their delicate feelings.

Normal so-called whites do not have this issue.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A bill pushed by Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that would prohibit public schools and private businesses from making white people feel “discomfort” when they teach students or train employees about discrimination in the nation’s past received its first approval Tuesday.

The Senate Education Committee approved the bill that takes aim at critical race theory — though it doesn’t mention it explicitly — on party lines, with Republicans in favor and Democrats opposed.

Democrats argued the bill isn’t needed, would lead to frivolous lawsuits and said it would amount to censorship in schools. They asked, without success, for real-life examples of teachers or businesses telling students or employees that they are racist because of their race.

“This bill’s not for Blacks, this bill was not for any other race. This was directed to make whites not feel bad about what happened years ago,” said state Sen. Shevrin Jones, who is Black. “At no point did anyone say white people should be held responsible for what happened, but what I would ask my white counterparts is, are you an enabler of what happened or are you going to say we must talk about history?”
The bill isn't even about students, it's about snowflake conservative whites who don't want their children and grandchildren to know what they did, how they supported it, how they showed up in things like White Citizen Council records and newsletters, for example.

Got some news for them: cat's out of the bag. They think they can book-ban and book-burn and legislate their way out of it, but everybody already knows. This is what archives are for. What they are doing now is also for the archives, and is a perfect example of the systemic racims that critical race and related theories are talking about.
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gounion wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:04 pm Yeah, Joe, we should put Trump back in power, right, because the GOP did such a great job under him?
I didn’t mention Trump. What about Trump? Last I checked Trump isn’t in the Senate and has never been in the Senate. He is an ex President.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:30 pm I didn’t mention Trump. What about Trump? Last I checked Trump isn’t in the Senate and has never been in the Senate. He is an ex President.
And still runs the GOP and the vast majority of the Senate supports him.

But keep pretending.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:30 pm I didn’t mention Trump. What about Trump? Last I checked Trump isn’t in the Senate and has never been in the Senate. He is an ex President.
The senators you vote for ban books and entire religions. They are led by the nose by Donald Trump, and so are you.
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gounion wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:56 pm And still runs the GOP and the vast majority of the Senate supports him.

But keep pretending.
That’s just more whining. Democrats control both houses of Congress and the White House. Republicans and the ex President are officially in the minority. That’s what Democrats wanted. They wanted to be in charge and now that they in charge it’s just more incessant whining.

But keep pretending it has nothing to do with policy. It’s all somebody else’s fault. They are in charge but according to them the buck stops somewhere else.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:28 pm That’s just more whining. Democrats control both houses of Congress and the White House. Republicans and the ex President are officially in the minority. That’s what Democrats wanted. They wanted to be in charge and now that they in charge it’s just more incessant whining.

But keep pretending it has nothing to do with policy. It’s all somebody else’s fault. They are in charge but according to them the buck stops somewhere else.
And you want the dems cast out and Trump's GOP supporters to win this year, and for Trump to win in 2024.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:28 pm That’s just more whining. Democrats control both houses of Congress and the White House. Republicans and the ex President are officially in the minority. That’s what Democrats wanted. They wanted to be in charge and now that they in charge it’s just more incessant whining.

But keep pretending it has nothing to do with policy. It’s all somebody else’s fault. They are in charge but according to them the buck stops somewhere else.
I always love it when you post, JoeMemphis. Your posts are a constant reminder that white intellectual superiority is a verifiable hoax.

Fact is, your party is packed with alt-right and old school antisemites like the Boeberts, Greenes, Cawthorns, Hawleys, Scalises, Emmers, Dan Sullivans, Ron Johnsons, and Steve Kings even though his pointy-hat ass is gone from Congress.

And akin to you buffoons' pointless, race-paranoid freakouts about CRT and 1619, these people are deeply resentful of any person who exposes the history and effects of white conservatism and supremacism. That includes the Holocaust, which is Dr. Lipstadt's field of study. They don't want it talked about, because it exposes THEM for what they are. You guys are banning CRT and 1619 all over the country because it exposes YOU for what you are.

Speaking of that snowflake Ron Johnson (R - Snowflake):

Lipstadt may be asked to apologize before confirmation as antisemitism envoy - ToI
On March 14, 2021, Lipstadt tweeted an article about a statement by Republican Senator Ron Johnson, in which he said he would have been more concerned by the events of January 6, 2021, had the rioters been “Black Lives Matter and antifa protesters” instead of Trump supporters. Lipstadt tweeted the article, saying “This is white supremacy/nationalism. Pure and simple.”

Other Republican lawmakers have faulted her for appearing in an ad during the 2020 presidential race likening former President Donald Trump’s rhetoric to those of the Nazis in the 1930s, before the Holocaust.
Speaking to CNN in December, Senator Bob Menendez, the Democrat who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee which would move Lipstadt’s nomination forward, balked at the notion that Lipstadt’s tweet should be an obstacle to her confirmation.
I balk at it, too. Rightie saw a hashtag, oh my goodness.

Ron Johnson is the one who needs to apologize for his rampant white supremacism. Though I must admit that personally I would never accept such an apology. Conservative whites like him, like you, are not sorry for your destructive ideology or your behavior. You can't be trusted.
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gounion wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:34 pm And you want the dems cast out and Trump's GOP supporters to win this year, and for Trump to win in 2024.
What I want does not involve Trump. Never has. But you already know that. You and your fellow party members are the folks so fixated and distracted by Trump. It would be funny if it wasn’t real. Meanwhile, the world keeps spinning.

I suspect the Republicans will reclaim the majority in 2020. History is on their side and the Dems are making it easy. Biden is making it easy. It doesn’t matter what I want. I don’t control anything.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:55 am What I want does not involve Trump. Never has. But you already know that. You and your fellow party members are the folks so fixated and distracted by Trump. It would be funny if it wasn’t real. Meanwhile, the world keeps spinning.

I suspect the Republicans will reclaim the majority in 2020. History is on their side and the Dems are making it easy. Biden is making it easy. It doesn’t matter what I want. I don’t control anything.
No, it's YOUR side that's fixated on Trump. He runs the party, and destroys anyone who stands against him. Look at Liz Cheney. Everyone you will be voting for next year are all Trump Acolytes, and you're good with that. You don't care if they're promising things like having "Election Police" to make sure only the RIGHT people are voting. Yeah, we did used to have election police. It was the Ku Klux Klan.

In the GOP, everything old is new again.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:09 am No, it's YOUR side that's fixated on Trump. He runs the party, and destroys anyone who stands against him. Look at Liz Cheney. Everyone you will be voting for next year are all Trump Acolytes, and you're good with that. You don't care if they're promising things like having "Election Police" to make sure only the RIGHT people are voting. Yeah, we did used to have election police. It was the Ku Klux Klan.

In the GOP, everything old is new again.
I never mention Trump. You are the one who talks about him all the time. I never bring him up. He means nothing to me. But he evidently spends a whole lot of time in your head and the heads of your party members. I think that’s called an obsession. It’s also the go to excuse when things don’t go your way. Like blaming the refs. It’s never your fault.

The people I will be voting for will certainly be more conservative than the people you will be voting for. You seem to have an issue with people who don’t or won’t do what you want them to do. That doesn’t bother me but it does seem to worry you quite a bit.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:55 am What I want does not involve Trump. Never has. But you already know that. You and your fellow party members are the folks so fixated and distracted by Trump. It would be funny if it wasn’t real. Meanwhile, the world keeps spinning.

I suspect the Republicans will reclaim the majority in 2020. History is on their side and the Dems are making it easy. Biden is making it easy. It doesn’t matter what I want. I don’t control anything.
From 1989 until 2018 everything was Ronald Reagan's fault. Going forward it will be Donald Trump's fault.
Seems liberals can never run honestly on what they support. Instead they try to win be getting people to vote against the opposition by creating a boogeyman
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:09 am From 1989 until 2018 everything was Ronald Reagan's fault. Going forward it will be Donald Trump's fault.
Seems liberals can never run honestly on what they support. Instead they try to win be getting people to vote against the opposition by creating a boogeyman
Ya mean like the Commie boogeyman?
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bradman wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:20 am Ya mean like the Commie boogeyman?
Glenn is silent on the Traitor quoting Stalin. So only certain Communists are boogeymen.
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marindem01 wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:56 am Glenn is silent on the Traitor quoting Stalin. So only certain Communists are boogeymen.
No need to because I am not a trump supporter but I am going to look it up.
Ok looked it up and for trump to call the press the enemy of the people was very stupid.
But I doubt trump knew that phrase was contributed to Stalin.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:09 am From 1989 until 2018 everything was Ronald Reagan's fault. Going forward it will be Donald Trump's fault.
Seems liberals can never run honestly on what they support. Instead they try to win be getting people to vote against the opposition by creating a boogeyman
Liberals, Conservatives- whomever. If you spend all your time and attention fixated on what’s behind you, everything in front of you, good and bad, will come as a surprise. That’s no one’s fault but your own.

Right now Trump is the go to excuse for the sag in the poll numbers. Biden is the President and Democrats control the legislature. They have more control over current events than the minority party and the ex President.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:09 am From 1989 until 2018 everything was Ronald Reagan's fault. Going forward it will be Donald Trump's fault.
Seems liberals can never run honestly on what they support. Instead they try to win be getting people to vote against the opposition by creating a boogeyman
Let's just remember you always bring up Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and the Clintons.

I guess you have your rules for us, and none for you.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:59 am Liberals, Conservatives- whomever. If you spend all your time and attention fixated on what’s behind you, everything in front of you, good and bad, will come as a surprise. That’s no one’s fault but your own.

Right now Trump is the go to excuse for the sag in the poll numbers. Biden is the President and Democrats control the legislature. They have more control over current events than the minority party and the ex President.
What pablum.

And be honest FOR ONCE. They do NOT control the Senate. That's simply the lie. It is a 50/50 split, with ties broken by the VP. But with the filibuster, the GOP has a full veto on every bill.

That's not control. But the truth doesn't work for you, does it?

*Edit to add* And I understand you don't want to look back, because you can't defend what the GOP did for the last four years. Please let us all know how the GOP would change if they got power back. For instance, do you think they should shut down all investigations into the actions on Jan 6th 2021?
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:59 am No need to because I am not a trump supporter but I am going to look it up.
Ok looked it up and for trump to call the press the enemy of the people was very stupid.
But I doubt trump knew that phrase was contributed to Stalin.
He writes love letters to Kim Jong-un, one of the craziest communists, ever.

This, you call "opening up a dialog" and "one of the few good things Trump did." :?
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:09 am No, it's YOUR side that's fixated on Trump. He runs the party, and destroys anyone who stands against him. Look at Liz Cheney. Everyone you will be voting for next year are all Trump Acolytes, and you're good with that. You don't care if they're promising things like having "Election Police" to make sure only the RIGHT people are voting. Yeah, we did used to have election police. It was the Ku Klux Klan.

In the GOP, everything old is new again.
Was just about to post this.

Opinion: Ron DeSantis’s election police squad would poison democracy - WP Editorial Board
On its face, it seems like the sort of thing that would be hard to oppose: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants to create a special agency to police elections in his state. Who but criminals have anything to fear?
Well, this is a poor start to a decent piece. Given the history of white conservatism and their police states, poll tax, literacy tests, and anti-voter violence, it's not hard to oppose this idea, at all. Anyway...
But look at the state’s recent electoral history, and the plan gets more puzzling. Mr. DeSantis, a Republican, won the governor’s mansion in 2018 in a tight election. Donald Trump carried the state handily in 2016 and 2020. Election officials reported results efficiently, enabling networks to call these races on election night. Mr. DeSantis himself declared that the state sets “the gold standard” in election administration. Florida obviously is not rife with the anti-GOP fraud that Mr. Trump alleges cost him 2020 presidential victories in other states.

Mr. DeSantis nevertheless wants state lawmakers to pony up $6 million to hire 52 people for his election police squad —
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which, naturally, would be under the governor’s control and would investigate allegations of election crimes submitted by “government officials or any other person.” Recently, Americans have heard many such allegations from the GOP side. If Mr. Trump had his way, government investigators would no doubt be impounding Dominion Voting Systems election machines and grilling election officials in Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania based on outlandish allegations about the 2020 vote. Whether Florida’s voting cops would field tips from partisans acting in bad faith or dupes who really believe that fraud is ubiquitous in U.S. elections, it is not hard to foresee them harassing election officials or voting rights groups who are simply trying to help people to vote.

This would chill legitimate election work. In this, Mr. DeSantis’s proposal would be similar to an anti-voting law Texas lawmakers passed recently, which would threaten election workers with criminal penalties for transgressions as mild as proactively offering voters mail-in ballot applications. In both cases, the effect is to intimidate people into thinking twice about doing anything they fear state authorities might construe as illegal.

Perhaps that is why right-wing conspiracy theorists not only want Mr. DeSantis to get his election police, but for other states to create their own voting squads, too. Former senator David Perdue, a Georgia Republican running to unseat sitting Gov. Brian Kemp (R), called Thursday for his state to create an “Election Law Enforcement Division.”

Suppressing election activity may be only part of the point. Mr. Perdue is eager to remain in Mr. Trump’s good graces; Mr. DeSantis, trying to rise from the former president’s shadow, looks as though he is trying to out-Trump Mr. Trump. Both seek to cater to a GOP base among whom fake allegations of fraud are not just believed, but considered a critical national crisis.
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OPINION | New Orleans Is a Place Where There Is Violence in the Sweetness, Horror in the Beauty - NYT, Imani Perry
Historically, the ballroom had served as a social center for the extralegal system of plaçage, in which white men entered into domestic unions with women of African, Indigenous or mixed-race descent. Most frequently, women of one-fourth-African ancestry, or less, would meet white gentlemen there. The white gentlemen wouldn’t marry the women — they’d usually have white wives — but they’d put the women of color up in houses, provide for their care and that of their children, including the provision of an inheritance. It was an arrangement that was less violent than plantation rape but wholly predicated on white supremacy and patriarchy.

For the Holy Family nuns, the ballroom was a symbol of domination and sin. In 1881, they bought the building in honor of the women who had been sold in those rooms. Black women for much of U.S. history, particularly in the South, were property who produced property. Their reproduction was a source of wealth. Their love for children, desperately nurturing them under a condition of dispossession and duress, had the perverse effect of sustaining slavery. Care kept the property intact.

Plaçage was a step above slavery, but it was humiliating and unjust, and the Holy Family convent provided an alternative to it, a refuge from the kinds of labor that Black women performed within the structures of white supremacy and patriarchy. They controlled their labor and bodies in a property of their own. The nuns occupied the old Bourbon Orleans Hotel until 1964, when the convent was relocated to Chef Menteur Highway in New Orleans East. Now the hotel is often said to be the home of ghosts who roam the hallways. Sometimes guests report seeing white men and golden-hued women.

Everywhere in New Orleans there are remnants of the trade in human flesh and the transport of unfree Black people. And they are not just architectural. They are also sociological. Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the United States. The prison system is 66 percent Black, twice the state’s Black population overall. It is a harrowing inheritance.
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gounion wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:31 am Let's just remember you always bring up Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and the Clintons.

I guess you have your rules for us, and none for you.
Isn't that what Conservative do, have their own rules that only apply when they want them them to.

Ye Olde Conservative Double Standard.
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