NYT: Ford betting the farm on electric F-150

[gounion]

Look, Glenn, there's a lot to like about electrics. You're far better off stuck in one in the cold for 12 hours on I-95, that's for sure.

[Glennfs]

Look, Glenn, there's a lot to like about electrics. You're far better off stuck in one in the cold for 12 hours on I-95, that's for sure.

According to corporate America.

[Number6]

According to corporate America.

Car and Driver has a story on this fact checking an opinion piece. From reading the article, it appears there's not much difference between a gas car and an electric car to keep warm if you're stuck in the cold like it happened in Virginia in January.

No such luck. In fact, when you do the math, it turns out EVs may be able to heat their occupants just as long as a car with a combustion engine, depending on your assumptions about the cars, recharging, and refueling.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3888 ... act-check/

[gounion]

According to corporate America.

You can run the heater in an electric car without running the engine like you have to in a IC auto. You can survive LONGER in an electric.

And gee, Glenn, YOU'RE the one that worships corporate America. Another example of how you change your principles at will just to own the libs.

[Ted]

You can run the heater in an electric car without running the engine like you have to in a IC auto. You can survive LONGER in an electric.

And gee, Glenn, YOU'RE the one that worships corporate America. Another example of how you change your principles at will just to own the libs.

Are you sure about that one?

I have no idea how much battery power is used running the heat in EV.

[Drak]

Are you sure about that one?

I have no idea how much battery power is used running the heat in EV.

On a full charge there's this about the Bolt

The 2021 Bolt has a 65 kWh battery, so you may get up to 65 hours of heat on a full charge.

These numbers are for if you’re running the heater constantly – but you wouldn’t need to do that.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/m ... yer%20said.

Tesla

The weather conditions for Dirty Tesla’s experiment were even harsher than those in Virginia. The air temperature was 15 degrees Fahrenheit (-9.5 degrees Celsius) at the start of the experiment and dropped to 12F (-11C) after two hours. This is colder than the low 20s (below -5C) of Virginia at the time of the traffic jam. For good measure, the temperature inside the cars was set to 70F (21C).

After 12 hours of sitting in the cold with a warm cabin, The Model Y battery went from 91% down to 58%, using 26.5 kWh. This means a full battery will last around 36 hours. The Model X battery dropped from 90% to 47% and used 43 kWh, with the full battery expected to last 28 hours. It sure pays to have a heat pump when stuck in the cold. Remember, this is with the climate control system set to 70F, but many are content with less in the winter.

The Ford Lightning claims it can run a full house on a full charge for 3 days. So there wouldn't be a problem with just running the heat.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/19/ford- ... %20battery.

Severe winter storms in February caused a massive power outage in Texas, with more than 4.5 million homes and businesses left without power for days. 151 people were killed as a result. The F-150 Lightning’s 9.6 kW of Intelligent Backup Power can provide full-home power for up to three days on a full charge of battery.

[Number6]

Are you sure about that one?

I have no idea how much battery power is used running the heat in EV.

I posted this link, yesterday, from Car and Driver comparing an electric vehicle and a gas vehicle for keeping warm if you're struck on the road when it's cold.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3888 ... act-check/

[Motor City]

I posted this link, yesterday, from Car and Driver comparing an electric vehicle and a gas vehicle for keeping warm if you're struck on the road when it's cold.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3888 ... act-check/

Wonder what the difference would be in the Steven King movie "Trucks" if those vehicles were electric rather than gas powered, instead of the guy pumping gas for the killer autonomus trucks he would have had to plug them in and they would have had to wait several hours to charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW5NF3eS_Jg

unless they could plug themselves in but still the wait would have been in their favor.

[ProfX]

I think the movie you're thinking of, Motor, was Maximum Overdrive.

In that movie, a lot of machines suddenly become sentient and evil, including vending machines. They start trying to kill people by shooting coke cans at them.

But the "big bad" of the movie is a big giant rig with a Green Goblin head on the front, but which also starts becoming autonomous and running people down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Overdrive

[Motor City]

I think the movie you're thinking of, Motor, was Maximum Overdrive.

In that movie, a lot of machines suddenly become sentient and evil, including vending machines. They start trying to kill people by shooting coke cans at them.

But the "big bad" of the movie is a big giant rig with a Green Goblin head on the front, but which also starts becoming autonomous and running people down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Overdrive

Yea thats another one, its funny how the meaning changes in time, the idea of cars talking to one another or operating by themselves back then seemed pretty terrifying, a reminder that what we are currently entering into needs to be grounded in care and caution.

[Number6]

Wonder what the difference would be in the Steven King movie "Trucks" if those vehicles were electric rather than gas powered, instead of the guy pumping gas for the killer autonomus trucks he would have had to plug them in and they would have had to wait several hours to charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW5NF3eS_Jg

unless they could plug themselves in but still the wait would have been in their favor.

That sounds like a topic for Dr. Sheldon Cooper, Dr. Leonard Hofstadter, Dr. Raj Koothrappali, and engineer/astronaut Howard Wolowitz to discuss.

On the other hand, if the Zombie Apocalypse were to happen, which vehicle would you prefer; a gas/diesel powered or an electric vehicle?

IMHO, an electric vehicle would make sense. A gas/diesel powered vehicle would need gasoline/diesel and gasoline/diesel has a shelf life of two to three months before it starts to go bad. Bad gasoline will degrade power as well as damaging engine parts. An electric vehicle could be recharged using solar panels and/or with a solar charged battery backup.

[Libertas]

Sheldon never did learn now to drive...

https://youtu.be/lS-n-HhmMZo

[Motor City]

That sounds like a topic for Dr. Sheldon Cooper, Dr. Leonard Hofstadter, Dr. Raj Koothrappali, and engineer/astronaut Howard Wolowitz to discuss.

On the other hand, if the Zombie Apocalypse were to happen, which vehicle would you prefer; a gas/diesel powered or an electric vehicle?

IMHO, an electric vehicle would make sense. A gas/diesel powered vehicle would need gasoline/diesel and gasoline/diesel has a shelf life of two to three months before it starts to go bad. Bad gasoline will degrade power as well as damaging engine parts. An electric vehicle could be recharged using solar panels and/or with a solar charged battery backup.

well you could always hook up a water wheel to a generator to recharge it so that would be good, a hybrid would give you mobil charging as long as the gas stations were still functionable but would be heavier and might have trouble when parts fail and need to be replaced.

[Number6]

well you could always hook up a water wheel to a generator to recharge it so that would be good, a hybrid would give you mobil charging as long as the gas stations were still functionable but would be heavier and might have trouble when parts fail and need to be replaced.

One alternative to gas/diesel or electric vehicles is to buy a Fred Flintstone car.

[ProfX]

So, one thing I always loved about that show ... since Flintstones cars are basically being powered by their feet (and they don't wear shoes), why doesn't Fred and the rest just run from place to place? Having to push the entire car is just extra weight.

[Drak]

So, one thing I always loved about that show ... since Flintstones cars are basically being powered by their feet (and they don't wear shoes), why doesn't Fred and the rest just run from place to place? Having to push the entire car is just extra weight.

Sometimes they’d show their feet constantly powering the cars. Other times they’d just use their feet to push off then they’d coast forever.

[Ted]

So, one thing I always loved about that show ... since Flintstones cars are basically being powered by their feet (and they don't wear shoes), why doesn't Fred and the rest just run from place to place? Having to push the entire car is just extra weight.

Or, why does Fred need to operate the dinosaur? Couldn't someone just train the dinosaur how to do the job?

[gounion]

All the new electric pickups coming out soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9fcVTCO1Xk

[Motor City]

One alternative to gas/diesel or electric vehicles is to buy a Fred Flintstone car.

would be nice to have one of those cars that fold up into a briefcase like on the jetsons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSCvsW-z2LE

https://www.jetsonaero.com/

[Motor City]

Ford needs to do a screening of 1982s Poltergeist

Human burial remains found at site of future Ford battery plant project in Kentucky

Nineteen unmarked burial sites were discovered earlier this spring at the spot of Ford Motor Co.'s planned electric vehicle battery plants in Kentucky's Hardin County, the Army Corps of Engineers confirmed Monday.

The discovery occurred in March after the corps required Ford to contract with an archaeologist "to examine a possible cemetery location" within the proposed site of the automaker's twin battery plants by Interstate 65, Army Corps of Engineers.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-9j8xfr7w

....."A previous burial relocation occurred at the site pursuant to Kentucky state law in 2003; however the Corps had no involvement with that relocation," Newton wrote in an email.

"The Corps is currently coordinating with the Kentucky Heritage Council/Kentucky State Historic Preservation Office and family descendants regarding the unmarked burials. A plan for the relocation of the cemetery is under review and the relocation must occur in accordance with Kentucky state law."

Newton added it is "not anticipated" the cemetery relocation plan review will delay the permit decision for the project.

More details on the discovery of human remains were not immediately available Monday evening......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN30QHVm4-0