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Democrats' initial offer was to vote on a standalone currency manipulation bill, and a package that included Trade Promotion Authority, as fast track is known, assistance for workers displaced by trade and the customs enforcement bill. It was turned down by Republicans earlier Wednesday.

After nearly 24 hours of negotiation following Tuesday's failed vote, Democrats ultimately accepted the counteroffer crafted by Republicans.


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Yeah, we had this same assistance for NAFTA. So, they do expect workers to lose more jobs. So what do they do? The compromise.

Now we can all sit back and watch our retirement savings dwindle as the republicans work to take everything else from us and give it to their billionaire donors.

We're fucking done as a nation. We're done.

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really, the only thing--so far--theyre not shipping overseas for sale are the humans.
...who indeed may be next...in the form of some pancake type food product?....
im sure come teck outfit is working on that...

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http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott ... pesticides
Monsanto Bets $45 Billion on a Pesticide-Soaked Future--
Syngenta is the main US supplier of the herbicide atrazine, which has come under heavy suspicion as an endocrine-disrupting chemical that messes with frogs' genitalia and seeps into people's drinking water. Syngenta is also one of two dominant purveyors of neonicotinoids—blockbuster insecticides (annual global sales: $2.6 billion) that have been substantially implicated in declining health of honeybees and other pollinators, birds, and water-borne animals. Both atrazine and neonics are currently banned in Europe, and widely, albeit controversially, used in the US.

All of which would make it ironic if, as some observers have speculated, Monsanto hopes to use the deal as an excuse to move its corporate HQ to Syngenta's home base in Europe, in order to avoid paying US taxes.

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http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2015/05/monsanto-syngenta-merger-45-billion-pesticides
Monsanto Bets $45 Billion on a Pesticide-Soaked Future--
Syngenta is the main US supplier of the herbicide atrazine, which has come under heavy suspicion as an endocrine-disrupting chemical that messes with frogs' genitalia and seeps into people's drinking water. Syngenta is also one of two dominant purveyors of neonicotinoids—blockbuster insecticides (annual global sales: $2.6 billion) that have been substantially implicated in declining health of honeybees and other pollinators, birds, and water-borne animals. Both atrazine and neonics are currently banned in Europe, and widely, albeit controversially, used in the US.

All of which would make it ironic if, as some observers have speculated, Monsanto hopes to use the deal as an excuse to move its corporate HQ to Syngenta's home base in Europe, in order to avoid paying US taxes.


And they'll sue anyone that tries to stop them.

Sen. Sanders gives examples of how international corporations can and do sue states and countries and their governments, with any laws they pass, that may cut into their profits. The TPP trade deal will give absolute authority to corporations to override any laws passed to protect the environment or health and well being of of citizens within a country.

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The TPP will pass and it will be way worse than NAFTA and ten years after it passes Progressives will be forgetting that it was signed and heavily lobbied for by President Obama and blame it on the GOP.
The same way they do now with NAFTA.

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The TPP will pass and it will be way worse than NAFTA and ten years after it passes Progressives will be forgetting that it was signed and heavily lobbied for by President Obama and blame it on the GOP.
The same way they do now with NAFTA.


The ones that aren't that informed about free trades deals maybe, but not this progressive. I know and remember who signed NAFTA, me who was personally effected by it. Sadly, if this piece of shit passes, it will be Obama's legacy.

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The TPP will pass and it will be way worse than NAFTA and ten years after it passes Progressives will be forgetting that it was signed and heavily lobbied for by President Obama and blame it on the GOP.
The same way they do now with NAFTA.

yes well becuz it was rayguns baby-daddy deal. it was raygun wallst goons who began
setting up these extraction stripping trade deals during the same decade the raygun wallst
goons began the Intense stripping of the conifer forests.
what was left to the next jackass prez were the details and then he signed it.
which made everybody on wallst happy to have heroin dealers on every corner.

oh the good ole days..

so basically this stupid 'deal'...the TPP..was birthed in 2005...aka TPSEP.
you know dick had to be involved in the origin of this. HB and all.

so yeh ill blame the gop and ill blame the dems and ill mostly Blame Mafioso Wallst Fuckers.

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What a Secretly-Negotiated Free Trade Agreement Could Mean for Fracking in the U.S.
A trade agreement being secretly negotiated by the Obama administration could allow an end run by the oil and gas industry around local opposition to natural gas exports. This agreement, called the Trans-Pacific Partnership, is being crafted right now – and the stakes for fracking and shale gas are high.

While the vast majority of the opposition to fracking in the US has focused on domestic concerns – its impact on air and water, local land rights, misleading information about its finances – less attention has been paid to a topic of colossal consequence: natural gas exports.

At least 15 companies have filed applications with the federal Department of Energy to export liquified natural gas (LNG). The shale gas rush has caused a glut in the American market thanks to fracking, and now the race is on among industry giants to ship the liquefied fuel by tanker to export markets worldwide, where prices run far higher than in the U.S.
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What a Secretly-Negotiated Free Trade Agreement Could Mean for Fracking in the U.S.
A trade agreement being secretly negotiated by the Obama administration could allow an end run by the oil and gas industry around local opposition to natural gas exports. This agreement, called the Trans-Pacific Partnership, is being crafted right now – and the stakes for fracking and shale gas are high.

While the vast majority of the opposition to fracking in the US has focused on domestic concerns – its impact on air and water, local land rights, misleading information about its finances – less attention has been paid to a topic of colossal consequence: natural gas exports.

At least 15 companies have filed applications with the federal Department of Energy to export liquified natural gas (LNG). The shale gas rush has caused a glut in the American market thanks to fracking, and now the race is on among industry giants to ship the liquefied fuel by tanker to export markets worldwide, where prices run far higher than in the U.S.
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poor CoosBayOR. poor SOR.

whats worse is this. they force other countries to take this shit in the form of "Aid".
we have this shit and we export it to you while we build you the infra you need to BUY
this shit from US. whether you really want or need it or not.
next natgas prices for the US will skyrocket for those forced to accept and/or use it.

all this to keep 'industry' busy doing the same filthy degrading nonsustaining shit theyve
been doing for 150years.

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santaBarbara oil spill. prolly should have its own thread since the company has a list
of prior incidents logged.

corroding pipes.
this mess will prolly head to the channelIslands.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html
Santa Barbara oil spill: Pipeline operator has long record of problems

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Found this interesting.

Secular Talk's Kyle Kulinski featured a clip of Alex Jones discussing the TPP. I was pleasantly surprised to hear Jones is against it, since lately he's been a Rand Paul supporter who supports the trade deal.

"We are seeing the Republican party sacrifice this country's freedom and its sovereignty on the alter of globalism. And we see some of the more legitimate left criticizing Obama and saying this is a corporate global takeover. We see the tea party coming out against it. It's the grass roots left and the tea party that are under establishment attack. Because when it comes down to it, it's just common sense to not have secret treaties written by foreign corporations that circumvent congress..."

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this goon first made his name, imo, after that day when he was one of Many who did
not swallow the pandering story being put out.
sadly, it didnt take too long before all his quirks took over and he fell in line with
gbeck types etc.

paranoia is fine but he takes it way too far. claims he has 1000pages showing how the gov
is gonna kill all the veterans.
he is that special...that he is the only one who has found allllll these docs....

su-re. pal.

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The TPP will pass and it will be way worse than NAFTA and ten years after it passes Progressives will be forgetting that it was signed and heavily lobbied for by President Obama and blame it on the GOP.
The same way they do now with NAFTA.


Glen I haven't seen anyone here who's been niggling with you over Bill Clinton having lobbied for NAFTA, I even remember Hillary having some role in bringing it though. And it was something the GOP brought forward and wanted too. That's why it went through, it was about the only thing at that time which could go through. So that's when it happened.

This time, it's about the same stage in the current Presidential term as it was in the last, this time it is as much the GOP of the Rhino wing, who's bringing TPP forward as it had been the time before.

It's that time in the current Presidency when about the only things which will happen out side of wars and crisis management are things which the GOP is willing to talk about and compromise about. So when we look back in time on it, it is what we'll see.



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A must see

http://www.msnbc.com/the-ed-show/watch/ ... 6742467871

Ed Schultz lays it on the line of what will happen when this dangerous trade deal passes.

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wiki offered a reward for TPP docs. they got some.
TPP is only the tip.
its been another keystoneXL type dog and pony show...look at TPP but dont look at anything else.
wiki will be getting more of these docs.


http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas ... 46554.html
WikiLeaks exposes secret trade deal
Critics argue new deal would further consolidate corporate power in the hands of a few companies.
Just days before some of the world's most powerful countries converge in Germany for the G7 summit, a new WikiLeaks document dump exposes secret negotiations that could further hamper US efforts to get its Congress on board with a pending trade deal.

The (link)17-pages outline the so-called Trade In Services Agreement or TISA. According to the documents, TISA covers air traffic, e-commerce and maritime trade among other things and involves the European Union, the United States as well as other countries like Canada, Australia, Pakistan and Israel.


https://wikileaks.org/tisa/
Trade in Services Agreement

WikiLeaks releases today 17 secret documents from the ongoing TISA (Trade In Services Agreement) negotiations which cover the United States, the European Union and 23 other countries including Turkey, Mexico, Canada, Australia, Pakistan, Taiwan & Israel -- which together comprise two-thirds of global GDP. "Services" now account for nearly 80 per cent of the US and EU economies and even in developing countries like Pakistan account for 53 per cent of the economy. While the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) has become well known in recent months in the United States, the TISA is the larger component of the strategic TPP-TISA-TTIP 'T-treaty trinity'. All parts of the trinity notably exclude the 'BRICS' countries of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
Read the full press release here.

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Good!

Sad we have to depend on the biggest hacking organization to get this information.

tonight on Ed's show he showed a clip of Obama saying that China is putting out feelers about getting in on the TPP. It's been revealed that China is manipulating the currency and dumping goods on our shores and flooding the markets, hence not playing by the rules.

And Obama says "we" are writing the rules. No one is enforcing them now, why should we trust anyone to enforce them in the future?

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In my email today
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Rita -

One of the biggest mistakes President Obama made once he was in office was, after mobilizing millions of Americans during his brilliant 2008 campaign, to basically tell those supporters, 'Thank you, I’m going to sit down with John Boehner and Mitch McConnell and take it from here.’

I will not make that mistake.

What we’re building together as part of this campaign is not just about electing a president. No one person, not me or the best president you could imagine, can make the changes we need by him or herself.

What's necessary to make change happen is a mobilized grassroots movement. That’s especially true when a few wealthy billionaires and corporations have their sights set on buying our elections.

If we’re going to accomplish what we want for this country, it won’t happen by negotiating with Mitch McConnell — it will only happen when millions of Americans get out and make their voices heard.

We have a chance to do that today.

Last week, the House of Representatives stopped a bad trade deal that would have continued the approach that forces American workers to compete against workers in nations that have near non-existent minimum wages, where independent labor unions are banned, and where people are thrown in jail for expressing their political beliefs.

But make no mistake, Wall Street, corporate America and their representatives in Congress will try again to pass this bad trade deal … as soon as tomorrow.

This is our chance to make our voices heard. Click here to enter your information and be automatically connected to your member of Congress. Urge your member of Congress to hold fast and vote against any legislation that would allow the president to “fast track” the disastrous Trans-Pacific Partnership.


The TPP follows in the footsteps of other unfettered free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA that have been supported by corporate America and that cost America millions of decent-paying jobs.

Since 2001, nearly 60,000 manufacturing plants in this country have been shut down, and we have lost almost 5 million decent-paid manufacturing jobs. NAFTA alone led to the loss of almost three-quarters of a million jobs — the Permanent Normalized Trade Agreement with China cost America four times that number: almost 3 million jobs. These agreements are not the only reason why manufacturing in the United States has declined, but they are important factors.

The TPP would also give multinational corporations the ability to challenge laws passed in the United States that could negatively impact their “expected future profits.” Take, for example, Phillip Morris, a company using this process to sue Australia and Uruguay for passing legislation designed to prevent children in those countries from smoking. Or a French waste management firm suing Egypt for over $100 million for increasing the minimum wage and improving labor laws.

Virtually every major union and environmental organization in the United States is against the deal that Congress could vote on again tomorrow. Major religious groups are as well because they know what it could mean for some of the poorest people on the planet.

Click here to be automatically connected to your member of Congress and urge her or him to vote against legislation that would enable the implementation of the TPP.

Not a lot of presidential candidates would use their campaigns to influence legislation being considered in Congress. Some candidates haven’t even expressed an opinion on this critical issue, which, frankly, I don’t really understand.

But as I’ve said before, this campaign is not about Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, or Jeb Bush -- it’s about the needs of the American people.

And we need a new approach to trade in this country — one that benefits working families and not just the CEOs of multinational corporations.

Make your voice heard,

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Bad news.

The house passed fast track authority, even without the TAA training provision. So, will the president sign on it regardless?

How come no one is asking the big question?---Why does a trade bill that's supposed to create jobs have a provision in it like this? I went on the governments dime to community college after my job went to Mexico because of NAFTA.

Given how many jobs left, what is there left for jobs to move overseas? :evil:

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More bad news. The Senate passes fast-track.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow ... story.html

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President Obama's fast-track trade bill cleared a key procedural hurdle Tuesday in the Senate, all but ensuring it will win final passage this week and be sent to the White House for his signature.

Despite deep reservations from many in the president's party, enough Democratic senators appear ready to join most Republicans to finish the legislation, which has sputtered in Congress but is a top White House priority.

A last-minute flip-flop from Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who announced Tuesday morning he would now oppose the bill because it had become tangled in Washington “deal-making,” did not upend the vote. Senators agreed 60-37 to advance the measure.


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well, so much for representative government.
the people didnt want this.

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well, so much for representative government.
the people didnt want this.


As I've been saying all along--our elected representatives don't represent us.

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More bad news. The Senate passes fast-track.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow ... story.html



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Got a note from KOS. Signed it and told both Senators that I'll vote third party before I ever vote for them again.

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Rep. Tim Ryan was on Ed's show and he's pissed that we (the democrats) didn't get a damned thing out of this deal---nothing on immigration, human trafficing, and campaign finance reform. He was there with Maxine Waters who talked about how the republicans out-maneuvered them by giving Obama fast-track authority.

WTF difference does it make if we end up with a republican or democrat in the White House if big money has taken over our political system. I'm supporting Bernie. I'll write his name in if some other corporate democrat gets the nominee.

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Got a note from KOS. Signed it and told both Senators that I'll vote third party before I ever vote for them again.


Sad thing is, the democrats are so stupid they'd think that the majority of Americans side with republican policies and move further right.

But yeah, all these assholes of both parties need to be primaried out.

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and here it all goes whether the people want it or not. fuckallyalls.
see the TAA is about "assistance" if you lose your job to these bullshit rip off 'deals'
which are more like "treaties" every day: they broke everyone one of them too.
this seems more about welfare for the looming newly displaced from their jobs.
..the jobs they insist wont be lost....

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/trans ... alks-2014/
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Senate approves Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA), which helps workers who may be hurt by trade, in a voice vote; now goes to House, where it's expected to pass - @geewaxnpr
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Editor's note: The U.S. senate is scheduled to start votes on Trade Adjustment Assistance, which was previously packaged with the 'fast-track' or trade promotion authority (TPA) bill. The Senate and House have passed TPA after a months-long struggle, sending it to President Obama. Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says the House will consider TAA once it passes the Senate. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi had previously led an effort to derail TAA but signaled Wednesday that Democrats will accept the bill this time around, The Hill reports. Passage of these bills is seen as a win for the Obama administration and GOP congressional leaders. -

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