Storming The Capital 2: A Counter Storm is Coming

[marindem01]

This was posted on the other forum, but here's part of the Eastman Memo.



Eastman is now making denials, and is pretending he doesn't know who told him to come up with this. This is treason.

Clear Treason and Insurrection. This was no logistics confab. This was about destroying American Democracy.

[Drak]

Plenty of advance warning to have T shirts made up that said "Civil War," with the date of the insurrection on them. More evidence it was planned.

[Number6]

The key in finding out what happened is just like Watergate, follow the money. Who paid for the hotels, buses, air fares, etc.., for the insurrectionists to get to the Capitol. Look at who came in combat gear, how they got there, and who arranged and paid for their travel. Once you know who paid for what you can begin to connect the dots from the insurrectionists to the moneymen to the organizers to those who led the insurrection.

[marindem01]

Eastman is lying out his Insurrectionist Ass. He knows that he is now facing heavy jail time.

[Libertas]

The key in finding out what happened is just like Watergate, follow the money. Who paid for the hotels, buses, air fares, etc.., for the insurrectionists to get to the Capitol. Look at who came in combat gear, how they got there, and who arranged and paid for their travel. Once you know who paid for what you can begin to connect the dots from the insurrectionists to the moneymen to the organizers to those who led the insurrection.

Good point.

Here is what I believe, even if they could directly link the payment for all those things to TFG, the treasonous braindead asshole himself, it would not matter because they would say it was part of a demonstration, not an insurrection, etc.

Because it was not successful, just like they couldnt prove working with the Russians accomplished anything, etc.

We have a completely different set of rules for left and right, so does the media. If Garland were to indict ANY of them, i.e. MTG or Boebert or the others the MEDIA would say it was political and 45% of the nation, most who have guns, would react violently. Or some would be violent and the rest would make it clear that it is political, even though it isnt. And Garland and Biden know this is what would happen.

I hope i am wrong, because if we dont indict them, those elections the cons lose in red states next year wont be certified and the courts wont be able to do anything about it if half the country wants a MAGA government.

[Number6]

Insurrectionist's lawyer said his client didn't take part in the violence at the Capitol yet he was wearing tactical gear and a gas mask.

An attorney representing alleged MAGA rioter Jeff McKellop is arguing that their client did not plan to take part in violence at the United States Capitol building even though he wore tactical fear to the riot that included a gas mask.

As reported by NBC 4 Washington's Scott MacFarlane, McKellop's lawyer is claiming that "there is no evidence of prior planning, and although Mr. McKellop wore tactical gear, which he otherwise used in the performance of his job as a security contractor, he did not bring a firearm, bladed weapons."
Raw Story

So I guess Mckellop was wearing the usual clothes tourists wear everyday when they visit the Capitol.

[marindem01]

Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar Reportedly Promised "Blanket Pardons" to "Stop The Steal" Planners.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/paul-gos ... 73573f132e.

A shocking new report suggests that various Republican members of Congress were actively involved in organizing the Jan. 6 rallies in Washington, D.C., that culminated in the storming of the U.S. Capitol.

Two of the people who organized the pro-Donald Trump “Stop the Steal” rallies told Rolling Stone magazine that Republican Reps. Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Madison Cawthorn (N.C.), Andy Biggs (Ariz.) and Louie Gohmert (Texas) were involved in planning both the former president’s strategy to overturn his 2020 election loss and the Jan. 6 riot by Trump supporters at the U.S. Capitol.

Gosar, however, stuck out to the unidentified organizers because he reportedly encouraged them to plan the election result protests by suggesting Trump would offer a “blanket pardon” to participants.

[Drak]

We have a completely different set of rules for left and right, so does the media. If Garland were to indict ANY of them, i.e. MTG or Boebert or the others the MEDIA would say it was political and 45% of the nation, most who have guns, would react violently. Or some would be violent and the rest would make it clear that it is political, even though it isnt. And Garland and Biden know this is what would happen.

I hope i am wrong, because if we dont indict them, those elections the cons lose in red states next year wont be certified and the courts wont be able to do anything about it if half the country wants a MAGA government.

I’m starting to lose optimism that any consequences will apply to the higher ups. Between Garland stating he wants to look foreword, not backward (which makes no sense, all crimes happen in the past) and Adam Schiff’s recent comments hinting that the DOJ and Garland don’t seem to be doing anything. This plot implicates almost an entire political party. But an attempted coup that goes unpunished is just a training exercise for another to succeed. They will not stop until they do. Donald Trump has NO business walking around free. In other countries if you attempt a coup and fail, you’re dealt with pretty quickly.

[Libertas]

I’m starting to lose optimism that any consequences will apply to the higher ups. Between Garland stating he wants to look foreword, not backward (which makes no sense, all crimes happen in the past) and Adam Schiff’s recent comments hinting that the DOJ and Garland don’t seem to be doing anything. This plot implicates almost an entire political party. But an attempted coup that goes unpunished is just a training exercise for another to succeed. They will not stop until they do. Donald Trump has NO business walking around free. In other countries if you attempt a coup and fail, you’re dealt with pretty quickly.

And the problem is if Garland indicted all these felons, these traitors, these insurrectionists, the media would as usual take the side of the red-headed step child, the GOP, and they would say "is this political?" and they would frame it as a question but the emphasis would be on that it is political, and of course no it isnt but that is what they would say. 50 million rightwingers would raise hell or more and some would do violence. We painted ourselves into this corner and the result I am afraid is gonna be very bad.

If this was all in reverse the media would not handle it the same way because the GOP are given far more leeway than the DNC. The media expects the DNC to act like responsible adults and knows the GOP never does.

Personally I think Garland has to risk nationwide civil unrest, and arrest these felons.

[marindem01]

WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden has rejected another request from his predecessor Donald Trump to cover up Trump’s role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol designed to keep him in power despite losing the 2020 election.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-t ... de4f668c8c.

Biden had already rejected a request by Trump earlier this month to assert “executive privilege” over 47 documents that the House committee investigating the Capitol attack had requested from the National Archives. On Monday, White House general counsel Dana Remus wrote archives director David Ferriero that Biden had not changed his view in the intervening days regarding a second batch of documents.

“President Biden has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interests of the United States,” Remus wrote. “Accordingly, President Biden does not uphold the former president’s assertion of privilege.”

[carmenjonze]

Plotting to overthrow an election isn’t standard political activity.

It is, to confederates.

These same types literally sold their own children down the river. There’s no limit to the depths of their ruthlessness.

[Glennfs]

Did you even read the Rollingstone article?

Doesn’t seem like it. Pardons were offered. Pardons aren’t offered unless there’s illegal activity going on.

As to the war room, the election was over. The players at the war room were designing a coup. See the Eastman memo and all the other available evidence such as comments from Bannon, video and social media posts that have been laid out over the last year as well as all the other articles you seem to ignore.

Pardons were not offered in a manner that would be criminal. The guy who offered them did infer that there would be pardons. But at the same time he gave himself plausible deniability.
This reminds me of listening to 8 years of Rush Limbaugh claiming we got them this time. I will be amazed if any high ranking member of the trump organization get convicted. There will probably be a few low to medium level convicted with those indictments coming out just in time for the midterms

[sam lefthand]

There will probably be a few low to medium level convicted with those indictments coming out just in time for the midterms

Yeah, I hope so. I hope the convictions of those scoundrels stuff the legislated Republicans in the gunny sack of woe just in time for the elections.



Before I forget again, Good morning Glenn.

[marindem01]

Pardons were not offered in a manner that would be criminal. The guy who offered them did infer that there would be pardons. But at the same time he gave himself plausible deniability.
This reminds me of listening to 8 years of Rush Limbaugh claiming we got them this time. I will be amazed if any high ranking member of the trump organization get convicted. There will probably be a few low to medium level convicted with those indictments coming out just in time for the midterms

You're dodging the question Glenn, did you read the Rolling Stone Article? Apparently not.

[Libertas]

Sigh, if Barack Obama was president, urging people to do what trump did, if Obama had lawyers and cohorts organizing an attack on the capital. A war room where they said the kind of shit Bannon and others said...this is where I need a head banging emoji.

SMH, the reaction by righty and the media would be NIGHT and day to what we see now.

Cons can do this shit but if Dems do it the world comes to an end, and why? Because the media knows the dems are the adults and the cons are the red-headed step children who are far less intelligent and far less mature and therefore must be given special considerations.

Hillary answers questions for 13 hours exposing NOT ONE SINGLE thing she did wrong, conversely a con is subpoenaed and they dont even have to show up let along answer questions, and the INTERNET CONS defend it.

[marindem01]

President Biden, for the Second Time has refused to grant Executive Immunity to the Traitor.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-t ... de4f668c8c.

WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden has rejected another request from his predecessor Donald Trump to cover up Trump’s role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol designed to keep him in power despite losing the 2020 election.

Biden had already rejected a request by Trump earlier this month to assert “executive privilege” over 47 documents that the House committee investigating the Capitol attack had requested from the National Archives. On Monday, White House general counsel Dana Remus wrote archives director David Ferriero that Biden had not changed his view in the intervening days regarding a second batch of documents.

“President Biden has determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the best interests of the United States,” Remus wrote. “Accordingly, President Biden does not uphold the former president’s assertion of privilege.”

[Glennfs]

You're dodging the question Glenn, did you read the Rolling Stone Article? Apparently not.

Yes I read the article before it was posted here. Unless I missed something the guy did not promise pardons. But, he did infer pardons. When he said he had just come from a meeting about pardons.
Which as any reasonable person would know is tantamount to promising.
But, legally probably not, which is why I believe legally he has deniability.

[gounion]

Yes I read the article before it was posted here. Unless I missed something the guy did not promise pardons. But, he did infer pardons. When he said he had just come from a meeting about pardons.
Which as any reasonable person would know is tantamount to promising.
But, legally probably not, which is why I believe legally he has deniability.

Actually, quid pro quo isn't something you can do, and that's what this was.

[Glennfs]

Actually, quid pro quo isn't something you can do, and that's what this was.

You understand that I agree with you except the manner in which it was described in the article would not be something you could prosecute a person on
I just came from a pardon meeting, chuckling and tapping his notebook. Or words to that effect are how I believe it was worded.
Nothing criminal on those words.

[gounion]

You understand that I agree with you except the manner in which it was described in the article would not be something you could prosecute a person on
I just came from a pardon meeting, chuckling and tapping his notebook. Or words to that effect are how I believe it was worded.
Nothing criminal on those words.

From the Rolling Stone article:

And Gosar, who has been one of the most prominent defenders of the Jan. 6 rioters, allegedly took things a step further. Both sources say he dangled the possibility of a “blanket pardon” in an unrelated ongoing investigation to encourage them to plan the protests.

“Our impression was that it was a done deal,” the organizer says, “that he’d spoken to the president about it in the Oval … in a meeting about pardons and that our names came up. They were working on submitting the paperwork and getting members of the House Freedom Caucus to sign on as a show of support.”

The organizer claims the pair received “several assurances” about the “blanket pardon” from Gosar.

“I was just going over the list of pardons and we just wanted to tell you guys how much we appreciate all the hard work you’ve been doing,” Gosar said, according to the organizer.

The rally planner describes the pardon as being offered while “encouraging” the staging of protests against the election. While the organizer says they did not get involved in planning the rallies solely due to the pardon, they were upset that it ultimately did not materialize.

“I would have done it either way with or without the pardon,” the organizer says. “I do truly believe in this country, but to use something like that and put that out on the table when someone is so desperate, it’s really not good business.”

Sounds like it was more than that. If the people are telling the truth about what Gosar said, that WOULD be a quid pro quo - do whatever you want, the President will give everyone a blanket pardon.

Which Trump DID want to do, but his aides talked him out of it. So, I think it's obvious a quid pro quo was on the table.

[Glennfs]

From the Rolling Stone article:



Sounds like it was more than that. If the people are telling the truth about what Gosar said, that WOULD be a quid pro quo - do whatever you want, the President will give everyone a blanket pardon.

Which Trump DID want to do, but his aides talked him out of it. So, I think it's obvious a quid pro quo was on the table.

We will know the truth about that very soon. In fact I predict just about the same time as the midterms.

[gounion]

We will know the truth about that very soon. In fact I predict just about the same time as the midterms.

I know, you think they didn't do anything wrong. Just a protest gone bad.

[Glennfs]

I know, you think they didn't do anything wrong. Just a protest gone bad.

It was a protest that turned into a riot. But, again try to step back and instead of looking at it with your emotions look at it as a legal question.
Then ask yourself what can be legally proven and what can't. So far we have seen very little that can be legally proven.
Again I keep thinking back to the 80s and all the times Limbaugh would claim we got them this time.
Well trump is far worse than anything that went on back then and way more slippery. I will be amazed if any indictments go beyond low level people.

[gounion]

It was a protest that turned into a riot. But, again try to step back and instead of looking at it with your emotions look at it as a legal question.
Then ask yourself what can be legally proven and what can't. So far we have seen very little that can be legally proven.
Again I keep thinking back to the 80s and all the times Limbaugh would claim we got them this time.
Well trump is far worse than anything that went on back then and way more slippery. I will be amazed if any indictments go beyond low level people.

No, it was a planned event. We knew it then, we know it now.

That's why Trump is trying to keep the paper trail from the investigation committee. If he had nothing to do with it, he would happily release it all.

It wasn't a protest or a riot. It was an attempted insurrection.

[Drak]

It was a protest that turned into a riot. But, again try to step back and instead of looking at it with your emotions look at it as a legal question.
Then ask yourself what can be legally proven and what can't. So far we have seen very little that can be legally proven.
Again I keep thinking back to the 80s and all the times Limbaugh would claim we got them this time.
Well trump is far worse than anything that went on back then and way more slippery. I will be amazed if any indictments go beyond low level people.

It was a preplanned insurrection and attempted coup. If you're not going to follow along, I don't understand why you feel the need to comment. I mean, sure you can do what you want. But you don't even read the articles posted. Your only point is to defend and protect your party.