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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:46 am 
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Cut them. Just cut them. If you have no team, at least make an example of them. "If you are drunk driving with a gun and drugs on Christmas, there is no second chance on this team."

Then at least Cleveland could say it made progress in ONE way this season.

I'd note that Eddie Lacy missed curfew with a rookie running back, while in the lobby. The Packers cut the rookie and benched Lacy...who was coming of his best game. You have to start drawing lines and deciding what kind of franchise you want to be. If you are a dumpster fire, striving for good character, at least, is a good start.

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won't argue the point, jdogg. i am unsure who is running this team. one minute it appears haslam is jerry jones 2.0, the next it seems that no one is at the helm. yesterday's game was awful. although the defense played fairly well the offense continued to extinguish themselves. the plain dealer/cleveland .com noted that manziel broke out johnny football as he ran for over 100 yards. big, effin' deal. he was awful, 13 for 32, passing. he had passes that were overthrown, underthrown and off target ahead and behind. until this guy realizes and understands and implements pass first, run second he will not be a credible nfl starter. and i also heard that there were comments about not being able to see over the line when he is in the pocket.

dumpster fire for certain. they will not win again this year. i had them anywhere from 3-13 to 6-10.

btw, what the heck happened to the pack yesterday?

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I think Pettine tried to make an example earlier in the season with JF. He was benched in favor of a late season add because he was proven to be a liar and unable to keep his word. Someone higher then Pettine decided that truth and accountability do no not matter and that JF will start.

I would think there is a fair chance Saunders will get cut. I would think they will wait to see the charges against Armonty, if any, before he gets cut. He may, but he may not. With this FO, who knows.

The Pack got smacked pretty well. So did the Steelers, the Pats, and Carolina. Any given Sunday.


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won't argue the point, jdogg. i am unsure who is running this team. one minute it appears haslam is jerry jones 2.0, the next it seems that no one is at the helm. yesterday's game was awful. although the defense played fairly well the offense continued to extinguish themselves. the plain dealer/cleveland .com noted that manziel broke out johnny football as he ran for over 100 yards. big, effin' deal. he was awful, 13 for 32, passing. he had passes that were overthrown, underthrown and off target ahead and behind. until this guy realizes and understands and implements pass first, run second he will not be a credible nfl starter. and i also heard that there were comments about not being able to see over the line when he is in the pocket.

dumpster fire for certain. they will not win again this year. i had them anywhere from 3-13 to 6-10.

btw, what the heck happened to the pack yesterday?

I think the Packers were weighed, measured, and found wanting.

You could put a lot of it on the offensive line, that had Rodgers hit 15 of his first 30 dropbacks. There were several drives where the pass rush was not slowed at all. Injuries played a role.

However, the Packers have been exposed for a lack of speed. They were playing the fastest team in the league. The Packers have built their strategy around bigger, slower receivers with good hands. The idea is that Rodgers can throw them open...but there is no chemistry this year, and the receivers aren't getting open. Obviously, with the offensive line getting beat, the running game was bad yesterday too. The rushing game has been the savior.

On the one hand, the Packers record was worse than it could have been, in that they lost three of their four games on the last play. On the other hand, they haven't looked good in any of their games since week 6 or so.

I don't think that the Packers this year can compete with the elite teams. They are going to need to get faster next year, and gain some depth on our O-line. That's a tall order for a draft and develop team. Luckily, the NL Central continues to be pretty weak.

The Packers have apparently used an opposite strategy than Arizona, and they've allowed themselves to become too slow with the loss of Jordy Nelson. Nobody can take the top off this defense, and even our rookie corners are slower.
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Glendale, Ariz. — Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Clements and everyone else associated with the Green Bay Packers' passing game through 14 games have failed.

Ted Thompson and his personnel people have failed, too.

Even without Jordy Nelson, the head coach, his quarterback and the others should have created openings and made enough great plays to avoid this descent to the first-in-a-generation realm of 27th in passing yards per attempt.

Even with Nelson, the Packers still had a deficiency of speed at wide receiver, not to mention tight end and running back, that some personnel men were pointing out as early as mid-August.

Sunday afternoon, the Packers will come face-to-face with the Arizona Cardinals, a team that has placed a much higher premium on acquiring speed at the skill positions.

It's a chance for McCarthy and Thompson to demonstrate that their formula on offense — brute force at running back, size at wide receiver, athletes at tight end — is more effective than the Cardinals' team-building practices espoused by the third-year tandem of general manager Steve Keim and coach Bruce Arians.

Of the 13 skill-position players on the Arizona roster, everyone except wide receivers Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd were acquired by Keim-Arians.

"I like speed," Arians said in November. "I like speed that comes in any kind of package. I have always liked fast little guys that are quick and can take the top off of the coverage.

"It goes back to when I played quarterback (at Virginia Tech, 1972-'74). We had a guy named Ricky Scales, and nobody could run with him.

"As I got into the NFL, you saw more and more guys like him. In Kansas City, we had J.J. Birden, a little guy (5 feet 9½ inches, 157 pounds, 4.47-second 40-yard dash) that could fly and take off the top.

"I've always been intrigued by guys who had speed."

When Arians coached wide receivers for the Pittsburgh Steelers from 2004-'06, the Steelers drafted wide receiver Santonio Holmes (5-10½, 182, 4.44) in the '06 first round.

After he began a five-year stint as offensive coordinator from 2007-'11, the Steelers selected Mike Wallace (6-0½, 196, 4.31) in the third round of the '09 draft and then Emmanuel Sanders (5-11, 183, 4.43) and Antonio Brown (5-10, 183, 4.53) in the third and sixth rounds, respectively, of the '10 draft.

When Arians served as coordinator and interim head coach at Indianapolis in 2012, the Colts drafted T.Y. Hilton (5-9½, 181, 4.36) in the third round.

Given Arians' track record for spotting and developing wide receivers, there's no doubt that Keim listened long and hard to the coach the past two years when it came time to reinforce a corps of wide receivers that had Fitzgerald, Floyd and little else.

In 2014, the Cardinals chose John Brown (5-10, 175, 4.37) of Division II Pittsburg (Kan.) State in the third round (91st pick). In 2015, they took J.J. Nelson (5-10, 156, 4.24) of Alabama-Birmingham in the fifth round (159th pick).

After reporting the annual draft series, Brown and Nelson were to me the most unexpected selections in each of those two wide-receiver groups.

In each case, a source said Arizona basically decided at the time to take the fastest wide receiver left on its draft board.

Nicknamed "Smoke," Brown set an NFL rookie record with game-winning touchdown receptions measuring 13, 21, 75 and 48 yards. He has followed up his spectacular first season (48 catches, 696 yards, 14.5 average, five TDs) with a strong second season (58-933-16.1-six).

"I think he's the fastest player in the league," Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer said in October. "He's a great 50-50 ball guy. We all know that. He runs very decisive routes. He catches the ball well."

Nicknamed "Fire," Nelson was the fastest player at the combine. He caught 106 passes and had a big average (19.6) in four seasons at UAB, but several teams viewed him as more of a return specialist.

Then Nelson caught a 59-yard touchdown pass and averaged 29.4 in the exhibition season to make the team. In nine games, he has 11 catches for 299 (27.2) and two TDs.

Fitzgerald (6-3, 218) has slowed down but remains invaluable from the slot. Floyd (6-3, 220), a first-round pick in '12, starts outside with Brown. Many of Nelson's 129 snaps come outside the numbers on vertical shots.

"They fit with the other two big guys," said an NFC West personnel man. "They go screaming down there and (Palmer) finds them."

The No. 5 wide receiver, Jaron Brown (6-2½, 204, 4.41), was signed as a rookie free agent from Clemson after the 2013 draft. A height-weight-speed prospect, he has been active for all 46 games of his career (44 catches).

Brittan Golden (5-11, 186, 4.49), a free agent from West Texas A&M, found a home in Arizona last year and made it as the No. 6 again this year. He plays much faster than he timed and contributes substantially on special teams.

Arians' three tight ends average a whopping 13.4 yards on their 38 receptions. Their main function, however, is to block.

Perhaps as aggressive a play-caller as the NFL has seen in a few years, Arians mixes and matches receivers, uses a lot of deep-drop passing and relies on his line to protect Palmer as he goes through the progression.
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"We know Arizona's going to take six to eights shots a game," Billy Davis, Philadelphia's defensive coordinator, said before playing the Cardinals a week ago. "That's part of the reason they are the No. 1 offense in the NFL.

"They're not a selfish group. They all run their routes with discipline and let Carson just pick them. But as soon as you give help to one, the ball goes to someone else."

The Cardinals entered the season hoping that Andre Ellington (5-9½, 196, 4.45) could bounce back and resurrect their 31st-ranked running game. They drafted Northern Iowa's David Johnson (6-0½, 224, 4.46) in the third round, but problems pass blocking limited his playing time.

When the plan didn't appear promising, they signed former Titan Chris Johnson on Aug. 17. He had been unsigned since March.

In 2008, Johnson had run the fastest 40 ever at the combine. He contributed mightily (872 yards from scrimmage) before landing on temporary injured reserve on Dec. 1.

At that point, the Cardinals unleashed David Johnson. He finished ninth in a Journal Sentinel poll of 20 scouts before the draft, but Arians saw another Matt Forte and made him the seventh running back taken.

Not only does Johnson have top speed but he also catches the ball effortlessly down the field. Kerwynn Williams (5-8, 198, 4.45), the current backup, is another excellent receiver.

What do the best teams in football have in common this season? Big-play capability.

Arizona leads the NFL in average yards per completion at 13.7. Carolina, with rifle-armed Cam Newton firing to speedster Ted Ginn and others, is next at 13.1.

Cincinnati is fourth at 12.7. Pittsburgh and Seattle are tied for fifth at 12.4. New England sits ninth at 12.0.

The Packers rank 23rd at 11.1, which if it stands up for 16 games would be their worst average since the 10.3 of their 4-12 squad in 2005.

Other than Randall Cobb occasionally from the slot, their wide receivers can't separate from press coverage, at least from the static three-wide formations the coaches have stationed them in most of the season.

The keenest disappointment has been Davante Adams, but Thompson knew he wasn't drafting speed with the 53rd pick in the great receiver draft of 2014 and did so anyway. Adams' 40 of 4.55 was the second-slowest of the top 10 receivers, and his 39½-inch vertical jump and supposedly top intangibles haven't compensated.

Three rounds later, Thompson added another possession receiver in oft-injured Jared Abbrederis, who ran 4.54. In the seventh round, he took Jeff Janis, a big blazer (4.42) with straight-line speed, suspect hands and unrefined routes.

Besides Jordy Nelson (6-2½, 218, 4.54) and Cobb, the Packers entered 2014 with Jarrett Boykin (6-2½, 212, 4.66) entrenched as McCarthy's choice to be No. 3.

Ty Montgomery (6-0, 215, 4.51) arrived in the third round this year, but almost no scout saw him as a player capable of giving the Packers their much-needed vertical stretch on the perimeter.

James Jones might be running in the low 4.7s these days, but he has done more than his fair share as the post-Nelson injury re-signing.

Losing tight end Jermichael Finley in 2013 was a crushing blow. Richard Rodgers runs 4.87. Thompson swung and missed, at least in 2015, on some speed at tight end on UAB's Kennard Backman (4.65) in the sixth round.

The emphasis on size rather than speed has continue

d at running back. Eddie Lacy and James Starks were a much-admired pair entering the season, but it made almost no sense to keep another heavy-duty runner, Alonzo Harris (6-1, 235, 4.65) as the No. 3.

His successor, John Crockett (6-0, 218, 4.57), basically is cut from the same cloth.

Beginning 20 years ago with Ron Wolf, the Packers have lined up with hammer-type backs. Wolf was building his team for cold weather, which often meant mud and bad footing on the old Kentucky bluegrass surface at Lambeau Field.

Those days are gone. Not only has the game changed, so have the weather patterns in the Midwest and the footing in Green Bay.

The DD GrassMaster field at Lambeau that was installed in 2008 provides an outstanding surface in temperate conditions and an average-to-good field even in rain and snow.

It's time for the Packers to recognize this and find themselves a third-down back capable of forcing underneath defenders to play a yard or two closer to the line as protection against check-downs. In turn, it would open up the field for receivers running behind them.

The Chargers' Danny Woodhead, the Patriots' Deon Lewis, the Giants' Shane Vereen and the Lions' Theo Riddick are examples of non-starting undersized backs that actually can run an effective wheel route against a linebacker and make tacklers miss.

There are other major contributors just like them sprinkled across the league.

The urgency to add speed at wide receiver and tight end goes without saying. McCarthy has shown little inclination to add a dangerous, smaller third-down back, but Thompson needs to step in and get that done.

The Packers are what they are at this point. As McCarthy once was fond of saying, they'll take their brand on the road Sunday and take their shot.

As the Cardinals have demonstrated, speed makes everything on offense run so much smoother.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ ... 68171.html

Incidentally, Atlanta beat Carolina with its pass rush too. That seems to be the formula against top QBs, as always.

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Johnny Football is out for the season finale. Came into practice yesterday complaining about concussion like symptoms. He is now on the protocol and will miss the last game.
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Johnny Football is out for the season finale. Came into practice yesterday complaining about concussion like symptoms. He is now on the protocol and will miss the last game.
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Cleveland.com has been flooded with comments that jf was hungover. One guy posted symptoms of hangover and concussion. This whole thing is just a sad mess.

During the afternoon show on the fan the host asked some expert they we're talking to which qb the Browns might draft. The host said Goff? Lynch? And the expert answered Connor Cook.

Looking forward to another year of 3-13 to 6-10. Until they actually start to build a team including the lines we will not see progress.

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This is the best thing that could have happened for him. Now he gets a whole off season of people talking about how great he was in the loss last week.

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Yes. He is out the last game. He was out the last game last year as well. In his defense, I would not want to face the Steelers in a game with playoff implications. They put near killed Colt McCoy. But then again I am not trying to be a starting QB and the face of a franchise. I think the older pros , Thomas, Mack notice this kind of effort. I believe even Peyton Hillis removed a lot of good will with the fans and his team mates when he sat out due to a sore throat. If Johnny was hung over, the pros will know, and will police their team.

I would venture anyone who can will leave this off season. That may actually be best for all parties. If you are a pro and tired of being in the 'topes endless cycle of ineptitude, then go play where you think the grass is greener and maybe even real. Few players go 16 years, most go 8-9 if they are good. Play where you want your career is too short to worry about Cleveland and the 'topes. I am sure FArmer can bring in another Bowe type player to shore up his team. If he is here.

Talk about a miss. Good FA typically are hard to find, but wow, he must be totally spent. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2600 ... and-browns

This might be a Chad Ocho Cinco type situation. Chad was good at one thing. When the game changed, Chad seemed unable to change. The pats even tried and failed to change him. Bowe's issue really seem to have started when the Chiefs changed how they played. Maybe Bowe is good at one thing, but unable to move into a new role.


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Yes. He is out the last game. He was out the last game last year as well. In his defense, I would not want to face the Steelers in a game with playoff implications. They put near killed Colt McCoy. But then again I am not trying to be a starting QB and the face of a franchise. I think the older pros , Thomas, Mack notice this kind of effort. I believe even Peyton Hillis removed a lot of good will with the fans and his team mates when he sat out due to a sore throat. If Johnny was hung over, the pros will know, and will police their team.

I would venture anyone who can will leave this off season. That may actually be best for all parties. If you are a pro and tired of being in the 'topes endless cycle of ineptitude, then go play where you think the grass is greener and maybe even real. Few players go 16 years, most go 8-9 if they are good. Play where you want your career is too short to worry about Cleveland and the 'topes. I am sure FArmer can bring in another Bowe type player to shore up his team. If he is here.

Talk about a miss. Good FA typically are hard to find, but wow, he must be totally spent. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2600 ... and-browns

This might be a Chad Ocho Cinco type situation. Chad was good at one thing. When the game changed, Chad seemed unable to change. The pats even tried and failed to change him. Bowe's issue really seem to have started when the Chiefs changed how they played. Maybe Bowe is good at one thing, but unable to move into a new role.

Farmer likely can't. Sounds like Farmer and Petine are gone.

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I would rate Farmer at 50/50, Pettine as gone. I only rate Farmer higher because he was at the future of the Browns meeting with Haslam and Schenier. He also dismissed a very expensive QB analysis that said pick Teddy Bridgewater, I don't think a young GM with little experience does that. I think an owner orders it and the GM follows through. I also don't think the texts were his, I think they were higher ups and Farmer fell on the sword. It may be Farmer will stay in another capacity. Schenier and Haslam run the team, and I do not see a future GM or future HC of note agreeing to those terms.

I still believe that a Titans <> Browns swap may be in the works. This theory is picking up steam. I actually like the idea of a whole new team, whole new system, whole new franchise coming in. The only hiccup is the guy who wants the Titans is Steelers man who owns part of the Steelers. Haslam also owned part of the Steelers. Haslam's company is based in TN, his family is TN dynasty with his brother as Governor. Jimmy is sitting on at least another billion from his Pilot deal.


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I would rate Farmer at 50/50, Pettine as gone. I only rate Farmer higher because he was at the future of the Browns meeting with Haslam and Schenier. He also dismissed a very expensive QB analysis that said pick Teddy Bridgewater, I don't think a young GM with little experience does that. I think an owner orders it and the GM follows through. I also don't think the texts were his, I think they were higher ups and Farmer fell on the sword. It may be Farmer will stay in another capacity. Schenier and Haslam run the team, and I do not see a future GM or future HC of note agreeing to those terms.

I still believe that a Titans <> Browns swap may be in the works. This theory is picking up steam. I actually like the idea of a whole new team, whole new system, whole new franchise coming in. The only hiccup is the guy who wants the Titans is Steelers man who owns part of the Steelers. Haslam also owned part of the Steelers. Haslam's company is based in TN, his family is TN dynasty with his brother as Governor. Jimmy is sitting on at least another billion from his Pilot deal.

I doubt there will be a switch. The NFL does things to make more money. This doesn't really make more money.

Anyone with a football acumen could see that Bridgewater was the one to take. I was on my knees, begging Minnesota to take Johnny Football, and now the Packers are facing Teddy and Co. in a week 17 match-up for the division title.

If the ownership is not willing to step aside, then changing figure heads isn't going to make a lick of difference.

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Ownership will not step aside. It has been proven. The NFL has committees to help owners find Front office and management talent. Haslam has rejected their help.

Haslam held his pow wow a few weeks back and Schenier and Farmer were both there. None of the current coaching staff was there.

The NFL has done swaps before. Haslam wanted to buy TN when he bought the Browns. The league suggested he should not wait as franchises do not come available very often. TN was not on the market yet, Haslam let it be known he wanted TN.

Haslam did recently donate money to Charter Schools in the Clevelnd area. If he were going to swap, he probably would not make that donation.

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Mary Kay Cabot files story on Cleveland.com/Plain Dealer about jf being in Vegas. Story originally reported by USA Today. Cleveland.com filled with vitriol, nonsense, comedy about Pettine, jf, Haslam, Mary Kay etc, etc, etc. Johnny lovers sparring with Johnny haters.

Need popcorn to watch the idiocy and marshmallows to roast over dumpster fire.

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I saw the USA article and said I would wait to see if he was on the sideline during the game. Being at the game does not prove he where he was (Vegas, apartment??) but it does show his commitment to the team. McCown was there, has been there all along. I did not see him on the side line. It is as if Johnny cannot be bothered. Nothing to learn, if he isn't the starter, he does not care.

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Farmer out, Pettine out, Sashi Brown promoted (sort of, read the April posting on Browns website)

Search committee of Haslam, his wife, Sashi, and Jed Hughes to begin search.

I am sure this will all be done well in time for the draft and their number 2 pick.


• Team president Alec Scheiner will not be involved in the head coach search. "He'll continue to focus on the business side,'' said Haslam.

• The new GM will report to Brown, and the head coach will report to Haslam.

• Haslam said: "The blame for the franchise doing poorly lays squarely with me.''


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Farmer out, Pettine out, Sashi Brown promoted (sort of, read the April posting on Browns website)

Search committee of Haslam, his wife, Sashi, and Jed Hughes to begin search.

I am sure this will all be done well in time for the draft and their number 2 pick.


• Team president Alec Scheiner will not be involved in the head coach search. "He'll continue to focus on the business side,'' said Haslam.

• The new GM will report to Brown, and the head coach will report to Haslam.

• Haslam said: "The blame for the franchise doing poorly lays squarely with me.''


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This will be a train wreck.

Haslam got one thing right. The blame lies with him. Jerry Jones 2.0 ain't what's needed. Too late.

This "search committee" will be as you said. Then the HC will have a say in the hiring of the GM? Wtf is that all about?

Time to call in fire companies from surrounding suburbs as the dumpster fire appears to be spreading...

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And Johnny Football is on the run. He's an alcoholic. He could be done in Cleveland...and most everywhere.
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I do think he has an addictive trait and that he has been enabled his whole life. Lebron's people supposedly worked with him, the 'topes owner enabled him, Pettine tried to contain him and paid a huge price for it. I am sure stories will come out. The assistants living in fear of what Johnny would do next really shines a light on who was in charge.

Farmer may have made bad deals, bad choices, but all GMs do that. I will stick with my belief that Haslam over rode the draft and insisted on Johnny. He wanted the flash, he wanted the excitement, and it all it cost him was a coach, a gm, and a few fans.

Haslam said in his pressed he does not expect a top flight HC or GM to come to Cleveland. His we have to get this right speech was almost word for word post Banner speech.

The new executive VP Sashi Brown has almost identical power he has had all along. New power is final say over 53 man roster. What GM and HC will accept that? Why did Sashi fail these last two years? What did he show to be given such power?

I also think adding his wife to the search committee will be met with extreme skepticism. Her previous role was improving the image of the 'topes. Have to ask, does anyone, anyone think they have a better image today?

Jimmy says the fault lies with him. That is true, it does, but we can do very little to get rid of him.

Hey Jimmy, sell the team, please, please, please, please, cash out, please......


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I do think he has an addictive trait and that he has been enabled his whole life. Lebron's people supposedly worked with him, the 'topes owner enabled him, Pettine tried to contain him and paid a huge price for it. I am sure stories will come out. The assistants living in fear of what Johnny would do next really shines a light on who was in charge.

Farmer may have made bad deals, bad choices, but all GMs do that. I will stick with my belief that Haslam over rode the draft and insisted on Johnny. He wanted the flash, he wanted the excitement, and it all it cost him was a coach, a gm, and a few fans.

Haslam said in his pressed he does not expect a top flight HC or GM to come to Cleveland. His we have to get this right speech was almost word for word post Banner speech.

The new executive VP Sashi Brown has almost identical power he has had all along. New power is final say over 53 man roster. What GM and HC will accept that? Why did Sashi fail these last two years? What did he show to be given such power?

I also think adding his wife to the search committee will be met with extreme skepticism. Her previous role was improving the image of the 'topes. Have to ask, does anyone, anyone think they have a better image today?

Jimmy says the fault lies with him. That is true, it does, but we can do very little to get rid of him.

Hey Jimmy, sell the team, please, please, please, please, cash out, please......

you pegged it. apparently haslam learned nothing from his time as a minority owner of the steelers. now we are stuck with this guy who understands only his own ego.

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Billy Football was dropped by Lebron's marketing company. Even Lebron knows the guy is toxic, if Billy goes to Dallas and succeeds, Lebron knows he cannot be associated with him. I don't think Lebron fears his success, I think he fears more bizarre behavior.

DePedosta being hired is an interesting move. He says he found Jimmy to be a good guy. That makes a person wonder. The 'topes have had a terrible run at the draft. They have missed on almost every pick. That failure has to be statitstically impossible, and yet it has happened. if he is going to bring new structure to a scouting and analytics for the 'topes he may be able to create something better. That is some low hanging fruit. I would expect the scouting staff will be facing some major changes.

The bigger question is will a HC take this job?
The second big question is will a GM take this job?

With the openings available, I will be amazed if they are able to bring in anyone of note.


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Billy Football was dropped by Lebron's marketing company. Even Lebron knows the guy is toxic, if Billy goes to Dallas and succeeds, Lebron knows he cannot be associated with him. I don't think Lebron fears his success, I think he fears more bizarre behavior.

DePedosta being hired is an interesting move. He says he found Jimmy to be a good guy. That makes a person wonder. The 'topes have had a terrible run at the draft. They have missed on almost every pick. That failure has to be statitstically impossible, and yet it has happened. if he is going to bring new structure to a scouting and analytics for the 'topes he may be able to create something better. That is some low hanging fruit. I would expect the scouting staff will be facing some major changes.

The bigger question is will a HC take this job?
The second big question is will a GM take this job?

With the openings available, I will be amazed if they are able to bring in anyone of note.

yeah, cleveland.com is buzzing with complaints about the coaching issue. 'don't settle of a coordinator!" "who would take the job?" i think they are going to have to take a coordinator. i don't think any hc even an unemployed one will take the job with the of mess.

as for the stat guy hopefully low hanging fruit will be successful. i think that the first round is going to be extremely telling.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605 ... mpaign=nfl

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _big-photo

looks like they hired hue jackson. also appears sashi brown will maintain power over the roster.

this may be good. difficult to know. without talent even the best hc is screwed. if sashi doesn't at least listen to jackson re: the roster it is a big mistake.

perhaps the berea fire department has brought the dumpster fire under control.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605251-hue-jackson-to-browns-latest-contract-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _big-photo

looks like they hired hue jackson. also appears sashi brown will maintain power over the roster.

this may be good. difficult to know. without talent even the best hc is screwed. if sashi doesn't at least listen to jackson re: the roster it is a big mistake.

perhaps the berea fire department has brought the dumpster fire under control.

My favorite part of that story is the part where it says he didn't take the job because he wanted to coach the Browns, but because he didn't want to be the one standing around without a HC chair when the music stopped. It seems like he would have been happier almost anywhere else, but the Browns were first, and therefore, the bird in the hand.

BTW: That type of adversity-avoidance is not a good sign in a coach...ESPECIALLY a coach with an owner who would prefer a puppet.

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My favorite part of that story is the part where it says he didn't take the job because he wanted to coach the Browns, but because he didn't want to be the one standing around without a HC chair when the music stopped. It seems like he would have been happier almost anywhere else, but the Browns were first, and therefore, the bird in the hand.

BTW: That type of adversity-avoidance is not a good sign in a coach...ESPECIALLY a coach with an owner who would prefer a puppet.

Oy. I missed that. Yeesh. What firm resolve.

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I want to be optimistic, I really do.

The players seem to love Hue, but they also loved Romeo.

He did not get along well in Oakland and wanted more power. He is loved by Carson Palmer, that is very good endorsement in my opinion.

Hope he has some goods ideas about the coaching staff.

My negativity comes into play though.

Hue Jackson interviewed with the 49ers, they chose Chip Kelly.
Hue Jackson was going to interview with the Giants, but the Browns stepped in and hired him, maybe....
....the Giants went with McAdoo and supposedly the entire existing staff except Coughlin.


I think Hue was the probably the best they could get. I think Hue knew he was out with NY and felt comfortable with the Browns knowing the 49ers said no, and the Giants had other plans.
I think our local reporters spend too much time reading national writers and not enough time researching, networking, and reporting.

I also believe that Cleveland.com and Tom Reed should give credit for my writing. Of course it is just similar wording and the same magazine I used as a reference on the numbers, an idea I have been promoting for 6 months to a year.

Some critics, myself included, have seen Haslam as a quick-triggered, short-sighted owner more intent on reaping profits than building a team the right way. The only place he's won is the bottom line -- the franchise's value soaring from $1 billion in 2012 to $1.5 billion, according to Forbes.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... iver_index


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Oy. I missed that. Yeesh. What firm resolve.

Well I guess that's because it wasn't in that story. :o :rw)

My bad. I read a story making that claim, but I can't find it now. I thought it was CBS Sports, but they've done a dozen stories on it at this point...We'll have to wait and see if the claim surfaces again.

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