Roe down, Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell next on chopping block

[carmenjonze]

The chair of Religious Studies at U Penn has been reading my posts, apparently.
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ProfB
@AntheaButler

So I've been thinking about what is worth saying now that SCOTUS has overturned Roe V Wade. This is not fleshed out but a couple of things ring true to me.


This is going to be a sustained, protracted battle for women's bodily autonomy and rights. There are many orgs and individuals who have been fighting and preparing for this moment, but they need help. This is a continuation of the Civil Rights Movement.
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Marching and going home to stew won't cut it. People who are in anti- abortion states and states considering it need to organize sustained protests and political action. The theocrats are really organized. They've been at this for 49 years, that is not going to dissolve now.


As I've said in my book, White Evangelical Racism, this is a long game to wipe away social equality through the performance of morality in order to capture political, social and economic power for white protestants, and like minded conservative catholics.


Christianity has many faces. In America, there is a radicalized white Christianity that is pro-gun, pro-life, and pro-patriarchy. Anyone not fitting that description is a vulnerable target right now.


Moreover, the relationship between radical religion and the republican party has changed the political scene in America. There is no going back. Dems singing "God Bless America" yesterday in the face of this looked like ..because they have been captured by this thinking too.


So, what to do now? Take a page from your opponents. They organized. They harassed women at clinics. They put up fake clinics to badger women. They got on the local, state and national governments. They gave money. Hell, they even created orgs that focused on "family"


Listen. The hard truth is this. The Right beat moderates and liberals. Period. Trump delivered the final blow to Roe by appointing three barely qualified folks to the Court. Sit with that. Realize that the Democratic leaders we have aren't fit nor cunning enough for this time.


Take a page from the oppressors. Meet them with the same fire, determination, and cunning and "bending the rules" that they have done to our democracy.


Help the women who are going to need help right now. I say this as a pro-Choice catholic, who sees this as a justice issue. A woman should have the right to do what she wishes with her body. Period. It is not for the state to decide.


For me, conscience is key. Those of you who know Catholic theology will know what I'm talking about. And if I lose a few followers behind this, so be it.


It's going to be real rough folks. Gear up, get ready. Some of us have had to fight because of forced massacre, slavery, interment, resettlement, etc. Welcome to our world of fighting for the right to live as fully human.

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[ZoWie]

That all works for me.

Yes, the long game is the relevant one.

[Motor City]

Will be driver of violent police raids and property seizures. The war on drugs but instead on women, families, and communities.

[ProfX]

80+ US Prosecutors Vow Not to Be Part of Criminalizing Abortion Care
"Criminalizing and prosecuting individuals who seek or provide abortion care makes a mockery of justice," says a joint statement signed by 84 elected attorneys. "Prosecutors should not be part of that."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/ ... rtion-care

Following the U.S. Supreme Court's decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade, which had an immediate impact on pregnant people in Republican-controlled states with "trigger bans," more than 80 elected attorneys from around the country vowed not to prosecute individuals who seek, assist in, or provide abortion care.

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So somebody asked about my vacation. I will say one of the places I was recently was Walden Pond. Lately I have been thinking about what Thoreau said in Civil Disobedience.

Must all laws be prosecuted? The Fugitive Slave Act, for example? Laws are made for justice, and unjust laws should not be followed.

To this movement I say: bravo, and I hope it spreads. These are lawyers I am very proud of.

[carmenjonze]

That all works for me.

Yes, the long game is the relevant one.

Yes looks like she’s been reading your posts, too

[Libertas]

80+ US Prosecutors Vow Not to Be Part of Criminalizing Abortion Care
"Criminalizing and prosecuting individuals who seek or provide abortion care makes a mockery of justice," says a joint statement signed by 84 elected attorneys. "Prosecutors should not be part of that."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/ ... rtion-care

Following the U.S. Supreme Court's decision Friday to overturn Roe v. Wade, which had an immediate impact on pregnant people in Republican-controlled states with "trigger bans," more than 80 elected attorneys from around the country vowed not to prosecute individuals who seek, assist in, or provide abortion care.

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So somebody asked about my vacation. I will say one of the places I was recently was Walden Pond. Lately I have been thinking about what Thoreau said in Civil Disobedience.

Must all laws be prosecuted? The Fugitive Slave Act, for example? Laws are made for justice, and unjust laws should not be followed.

To this movement I say: bravo, and I hope it spreads. These are lawyers I am very proud of.

That was me.

That is a bit of a jaunt from where you live. I was gonna go to Seattle and see Roger Waters, again, with my son up there but I cant go to a concert ever again, my ears are fucked.

[ProfX]

So the other place I was recently was the Touro Synagogue.

It's the oldest synagogue in the U.S. and still standing. It dates from 1763 (originally Sephardic though the congregation today is not.)

George Washington wrote a famous letter to its congregants, promising the country would respect religious tolerance and pluralism.
https://www.mountvernon.org/library/dig ... synagogue/

That letter is read annually by famous people they invite to do so; that has included Elena Kagan and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I now have a (physical) copy of that letter. (You can easily find its contents on the Internet, but I am keeping it as a souvenir.)

The colony of Rhode Island was founded by Roger Williams, in part, because (like Quaker William Penn) he was distraught by the failure of other American colonies to respect religious freedom.

[bradman]

Don't know if it's been posted yet. i've been waiting for it to finally hit my Yahoo news site.......

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obergefell-p ... 45239.html
Obergefell, the plaintiff in the SCOTUS same-sex marriage ruling, said it's 'quite telling' Clarence Thomas omitted the case that legalized interracial marriage after saying the courts should go after other right to privacy cases

In a concurring opinion following the ruling, Thomas wrote that "we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell."

These cases protect the right to contraceptive access, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage, respectively.

Loving v. Virginia, which protects the right to interracial marriage and also concerns the due process clause of the 14th amendment, was not a part of Thomas' list.

Thomas himself is in an interracial marriage with right-wing activist Ginni Thomas.

"I'm just concerned that hundreds of 1000s of marriages across this nation are at risk and the ability of people across this nation to marry the person they love is at risk," Obergefell said. "And for Justice Thomas to completely omit Loving v. Virginia, in my mind, is quite telling."

[Libertas]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders after her gubernatorial primary win: "We will make sure that when a kid is in the womb, they're as safe as they are in a classroom."

Um.

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Disgusting waste of space.

[Bludogdem]

Don't know if it's been posted yet. i've been waiting for it to finally hit my Yahoo news site.......

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obergefell-p ... 45239.html
Obergefell, the plaintiff in the SCOTUS same-sex marriage ruling, said it's 'quite telling' Clarence Thomas omitted the case that legalized interracial marriage after saying the courts should go after other right to privacy cases

I’m pretty sure this is one of those things where Justice Thomas will stand alone.

[gounion]

I’m pretty sure this is one of those things where Justice Thomas will stand alone.

Tell me again how Alito voted on Obergefell?

[gounion]

I’m pretty sure this is one of those things where Justice Thomas will stand alone.

You should look at the original vote on Obergefell. Thomas was joined by Alito, Scalia AND Roberts. So he's already got three votes to overturn, and only needs two out of the three remaining religious nutjobs to overturn. It will be the first to go.

Its hilarious how you pretend to be a Supreme Court legal historical scholar, which is laughable, but you ignore the very real history of how these nutjobs vote.

And yes, you'll all three be SHOCKED when it's overturned, but that won't change any of your votes for Republicans, will it?

[gounion]

This is where the 5-6 justices on the right are going: You just have to look at the Lawrence v. Texas dissents, where the majority decided that sodomy laws were unconstitutional. Now, it's funny that in his dissent in Obergefell, Clarence Thomas whined on and on that "liberty" meant freedom FROM government intrusion, NOT the granting of government largess, i.e. a marriage license.

But in Lawrence, he joined Scalia in this screed:

State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity ... every single one of these laws is called into question by today's decision.

He further argued:

If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is 'no legitimate state interest' for purposes of proscribing that conduct ... what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising '[t]he liberty protected by the Constitution?'

THIS is what the right thinks of homosexuality. It's an abomination, the Bible tells us, and gays SHOULD be put to death. Now, let's talk about what Scalia thinks should be banned in America.

The ONLY one I see that the government should be concerned about is bestiality, as that involves a creature with no ability to consent.

But other than that? So we should go to prison for masturbation? Really?

These are a bunch of religious nutjobs that want to make their religious sexual beliefs the law of the land. They can't even keep their own clergy from molesting children, and they want to legislate how we live OUR lives in our own home with consenting adults?

Bullshit.

[ProfX]

Very weird. Prostitution is legal in some parts of the U.S. It's a complex problem, I'm very opposed to coercive sex trafficking particularly of minors, but I don't really get why there is a compelling state interest in banning voluntary sex work. You can get paid to have sex in a porno. That's legal. If someone pays you to have sex, that's not. Why not?

Polygamy and bigamy are against the law, I'm familiar with the history of how the Mormons' practice of it was banned, all in all there are some problematics here too, but weirdly, there are people who are in polyamorous relationships, they exist, they just can only be married to one of the people. I again get why some people feel only monogamy is moral, but again I don't get why the state has an interest in preventing polyamory.

Adultery isn't illegal. Again, it can create some problems in your divorce, but you can't be arrested for it. AFAIK, the only place with any non divorce related penalties to it is the US Military Code of Justice. Outside of that ... and Donald Trump might be very lucky for that.

Finally. Seriously? Is there ANY state that says masturbation is illegal? OK, you can be arrested for doing it in a public place in front of other people, but..... other than that? Obscenity? Pretty much any kind of pornography is legal, as long it's voluntary, not child porn, and not being sold to minors.

Ya know, many people view these things as immoral, or against their faith, and that's fine. But in the long recitation of things some find morally offensive, I didn't see any compelling arguments for government/regulatory interest.

Scalia seemed to be whining that laws against what some people view as immoral could be in jeopardy. Well, we could start by separating immorality and illegality. Not everything everybody views as immoral is illegal.

[ZoWie]

It's too late. Our apathy let these theocrats take over the courts. It's a 50-year struggle to get them back.

I apologize to future generations for not doing more to combat apathy.

[Libertas]

It's too late. Our apathy let these theocrats take over the courts. It's a 50-year struggle to get them back.

I apologize to future generations for not doing more to combat apathy.

Which is why I'm trying to get some high profile democratic Senate or house member to go on Meet the Press or similar and while describing the nightmare that we are in accidentally uses the F word (but on purpose) and then maybe it will go viral on YouTube and then maybe the 100 million people who didn't vote two years ago might see it and wake up.

I suggested this at DU a few months ago and the one big rich connected donor on there told me I was ridiculous. He is the only one there other than Earl the owner who is connected as far as I know.

NOTHING should be not considered right now other than violence. NOTHING

[ZoWie]

Agreed, violence is not an option for several practical reasons.

My take on DU has always been that it's too much like the big social platforms, even though it isn't one of those. The signal gets lost in the noise.

The other side won the only way anyone wins in a "democracy." It tried harder, spent more money, organized more grass roots, and all that. It did the grunt work. It bought off the news media in 80% of the country, and put all the right people into all the right places.

They wanted it more. We rode our Peloton bikes, bought ever more expensive kitchen utensils, studied obscure fitness regimens and French cuisine, and considered politics an unnecessary burden.

They built a movement.

[gounion]

[Libertas]

Agreed, violence is not an option for several practical reasons.

My take on DU has always been that it's too much like the big social platforms, even though it isn't one of those. The signal gets lost in the noise.

The other side won the only way anyone wins in a "democracy." It tried harder, spent more money, organized more grass roots, and all that. It did the grunt work. It bought off the news media in 80% of the country, and put all the right people into all the right places.

They wanted it more. We rode our Peloton bikes, bought ever more expensive kitchen utensils, studied obscure fitness regimens and French cuisine, and considered politics an unnecessary burden.

They built a movement.

A movement that gets near nowhere if trump traitor doesnt get 80,000 more votes in 3 states BECAUSE of a certain faction on the left, mainly.

Not near nowhere, but far less than where it is now.

[carmenjonze]

It's too late.

It's never too late.

People like Ida B. Wells, Fred Korematsu, César Chavez, and so many others would have never thought this way, and they had far better reason than us to think so.

[ZoWie]

True enough, it's that what goes around comes around thing. Marathon <> sprint.

[bradman]

I’m pretty sure this is one of those things where Justice Thomas will stand alone.

i liked it better when he kept his pie hole shut.

Odd that. Ya'd think i'd be more of a Jefferson fan. Instead, i would have sided with Hamilton.

It's rather simple for me. If we'd stuck to the Articles of Confederation, we'd probably need papers/passports to go from one state to another.

See Shay's rebellion.

[carmenjonze]

Yan
@tropic4lyme

“We will adopt your baby”



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[Drak]

Yan
@tropic4lyme

“We will adopt your baby”



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Is Twitter working for you where you’re at? I haven’t been able to log in this morning.

[ProfX]

They are not done.

Alabama cites abortion ruling in transgender medication case
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alaba ... ar-AAZ2QCo

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Days after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states can prohibit abortion, Alabama has seized on the decision to argue that the state should also be able to ban gender-affirming medical treatments for transgender youths.

The case marks one of the first known instances in which a conservative state has tried to apply the abortion ruling to other realms, just as LGBTQ advocates and others were afraid would happen.

Critics have expressed fear that the legal reasoning behind the high court ruling could lead to a rollback of decisions involving such matters as gay marriage, birth control and parental rights.

The state is asking a federal appeals court to lift an injunction and let it enforce an Alabama law that would make it a felony to give puberty blockers or hormones to transgender minors to help affirm their gender identity.

In its historic ruling last Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court said terminating a pregnancy is not a fundamental constitutional right because abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution and is not “deeply rooted in this nation’s history and tradition."

In a brief filed Monday, the Alabama attorney general's office argued similarly that gender transition treatments are not “deeply rooted in our history or traditions," and thus the state has the authority to ban them. Alabama contends such treatments are dangerous and experimental, a view disputed by medical organizations.

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You know what is also not "deeply rooted in our history or traditions?" Airplanes. It's time to ban all airports.

It's obvious that this conservative principle is once again being invoked to stop social progress.