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:lol:

Oh lord, this from the guy who's party leader did not know what the term "strong dollar" meant.
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Libertas wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:58 pm :lol:

Oh lord, this from the guy who's party leader did not know what the term "strong dollar" meant.
You are defending the state of California putting 70,000 truck drivers out of work.
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Are you sure there ARE 70,000 truck drivers in California? I thought you knew we are all film makers and actors with weird sex lives.

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>Fireworks
Night time in LA sounds like a war every July.

>Guns
Half of LA is armed, and people who assume everyone's carrying tend to live longer.

>Affordable housing
Got us there. People actually want to live here, and yes that drives up costs.

>Ability to work on your car on your property ie property rights
People work on their cars all the time. Guy down the street fixes up old sports cars for a living. His parking area is practically a concours d'elegance.

>Being an independent contractor ie the ability to earn a living the way you want to
Half the damn work force around here is independent contractors. Corporate cube farms are SO 1970s.

>The ability to drive older vehicles without government interference
Had corporations and their Republican servants not ruined the air quality and destroyed the existing transit systems, you'd still be able to drive any clunker you want. You still can if you can retrofit it to pass smog tests.

>Water
Water is short everywhere. Republican climate change has a lot to do with that.

>Clean air
See affordable housing. I can't help it that millions of people actually want to live here.
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That figure is a prediction of job losses by the California Truckers Association.

What is that figure based on? How did they arrive at it? I don't see that in the article.

Therefore, I see no reason to believe it.

The law only asks to make sure independent contractor truckers are the real deal. It's not taking away businesses or jobs from anybody. And in fact, there are several articles out there about how those guys can clarify and update their status to continue operating under the law.

There are problems with affordable housing in all 50 states. Fortunately, there are a number of state and federal affordable housing programs. Honestly, we need more. Everywhere.

I'd love to see some citations on how the air and water are cleaner in the Carolinas rather than CA.

Oh, and your right to drive around a hunk of junk that pollutes and creates smog is NOT a fundamental right. Sorry.
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First I'd heard of it was today when Glenn started a thread about how we all want to outlaw driving trucks for a living.

I'm an LA liberal and sometimes radical, and I've always thought truck drivers were cool. On shoots I got along with the transportation people just fine. It's certainly the best job in the movie industry.
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I always considered this one a Clint classic. :D

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+1

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The trucking industry has no one but themselves to blame for this, as the companies in the port-to-warehouse "dryage" business has been exploiting drivers for decades.
Like many truck drivers delivering goods from the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles to big retailers throughout Southern California, Juan Carlos Giraldo has a contract job, and it looks decent at first glance. His primary employer, Container Connection, pays a flat fee of $300 for a round trip from a port to a Walmart warehouse in Mira Loma. With no traffic or wait times, the trip takes four hours, which means Giraldo can make 10 round trips a week. In the best case scenario, he earns $3,000.

But the best case scenario usually doesn’t happen. Long waits at the port are routine, because his dispatcher doesn’t let him know when a shipment is ready to load. If Walmart doesn’t have an empty container ready to bring to the port, he earns half of his round-trip fee: $150. As a contract worker, Giraldo is responsible for insurance on the company truck and goods, which is $180 per week. Fuel averages $300-$400 a week, also out of his pocket. He has to cover health insurance for himself and his family and fund his own retirement. He has no disability benefits, which is risky in a job requiring manual labor. He is essentially paying to work, and if the company doesn’t give him any assignments, “I will have negative income that week,” Giraldo told Capital & Main through an interpreter.

Giraldo, a father of four, wants to be an employee, and says Container Connection has misclassified him and other drivers as independent contractors. The California Employment Development Department (EDD) also determined that Giraldo should be an employee. As for why he doesn’t go to another company, Giraldo says it wouldn’t make a difference. “Most companies operate on the contractor model and not many opportunities to be an employee. They have rigged the system for themselves.”

Container Connection, which delivers goods to Southern California retailers including Walmart, Ross Dress for Less and for brands Toyota, Whirlpool and Hanes, has a long record of worker misclassification judgments and findings of labor rights violations.
Glenn owns his own truck, does not lease it from his employer, and isn't in an exploitative situation. As well as the companies at the CA ports, Federal Express also had a "independent contractor" scam for years, but they lost a bunch of lawsuits on their misclassification. I'm not sure if they've changed their tune since.

But the trucking industry and their exploitation of drivers is why this law has been passed. They have no one to blame but themselves.
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The exploitation of the port truckers at the Port of Los Angeles has been a big target of unions and Chicano groups for as long as I can remember. It's just as bad as you describe. They're at the mercy of their pimps.

Drayage at the port is hardly representative of the entire trucking industry in California.
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If anyone wishes to let Glenn know...

According to CATO, California has more personal freedom than South Carolina. Mercatus also ranks California ahead of SC.

And...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... ree-states



California is near the bottom in 'regulatory freedom'. This isn't necessarily a bad thing as the regulations are more, I believe, aimed at industry, such as trying to protect "clean air" and, I assume, "water"

CATO https://www.freedominthe50states.org/
Mercatus (George Brown University) PDF https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/F ... States.pdf

California's water issues are not the best so why they continue to let the freedom exist to continue to farm almonds is just dumb.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:51 pm Fireworks
What Fireworks Are Illegal In South Carolina?

South Carolina laws are specific when it comes to the handling and use of fireworks. Under the Palmetto State’s code of laws, any pyros made with more than two grains are outlawed. Examples of fireworks prohibited by law include cherry bombs (ground salutes), M-80s, TNT salutes, and small bottle rockets less than 3 inches long and 1/2 inch in diameter. In addition to South Carolina local laws, any firecrackers containing more than 50 milligrams of pyrotechnics are prohibited by federal law. Fireworks products acceptable for consumers to handle and shoot off include mortars, aerial fireworks (Roman candles), sparklers, and cakes.
https://www.hawklawfirm.com/what-firewo ... -carolina/
So you can't legally have M-80s cherry bombs, and small bottle rockets in South Carolina tells me your claim to this being a "freedom" since your state regulates you're so-called "freedom." In California, we can have "safe and sane" fireworks.
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Guns
All states have gun laws. For a concealed carry permit in South Carolina:
South Carolina allows both concealed and open carry but does not allow constitutional carry, so you must obtain a Concealed Weapons Permit (CWP) to carry a firearm, regardless of whether you carry the weapon concealed or out in the open.
https://seiferflatowlaw.com/an-overview ... -gun-laws/

In California, wee can have a concealed carry permit.
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#10

So you're "freedom" on guns in South Carolina is regulated as it is in California.
Affordable housing
Affordable housing isn't a "freedom", it's the result of the free market setting the price. You do believe in and support the free market don't you?
Ability to work on your car on your property ie property rights
You can work on your car on your own property in California although there are some restrictions.
Repairs are not allowed on the street, ... hborhood.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/01/ ... -roadshow/
Also, both South Carolina and California have a number of homeowner associations which can allow or prohibit working on a car on your property. So this so-called "freedom" is present in both states.
Being an independent contractor ie the ability to earn a living the way you want to
You can be an independent contractor but the traditional concept of an independent contractor is a person who works temporarily for a company or individual. An example would be a handyman making repairs at you home. Another example is a business hiring a company/person to find buried pipes before digging on their property. The idea of an independent contractor is they work for themselves providing services to others. If they're working full-time providing services to a company then they are actually employees of that company and should received the same pay and benefits of an employee.
The ability to drive older vehicles without government interference
Both states have laws concerning the operation of all vehicles, regardless of age. Here's South Carolina's laws:
https://law.justia.com/codes/south-caro ... /chapter-3
Water
Please elaborate. We have water in California in the form of lakes, rivers, reservoirs, ponds, and ocean. What "freedom" of water is in South Carolina that isn't in California?
Clean air
Again, please elaborate.

Your attempt at listing freedoms South Carolina has that California doesn't have failed so miserably this picture shows just a fraction of the number of facepalms it actually requires.

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Toonces wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:54 pm If anyone wishes to let Glenn know...

According to CATO, California has more personal freedom than South Carolina. Mercatus also ranks California ahead of SC.

And...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... ree-states



California is near the bottom in 'regulatory freedom'. This isn't necessarily a bad thing as the regulations are more, I believe, aimed at industry, such as trying to protect "clean air" and, I assume, "water"

CATO https://www.freedominthe50states.org/
Mercatus (George Brown University) PDF https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/F ... States.pdf

California's water issues are not the best so why they continue to let the freedom exist to continue to farm almonds is just dumb.
How fast can Amazon get a case of Aloe Vera to glenn because he just got burned. :lol:
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:51 am put 70,000 people out of work....or classic I am from the government and I am here to help.
:?

Speaking of "I'm from the government and I'm here to help," even Charleston's top cop hates that state's abortion law.

You support it, then run around here quacking about freedom or whatever. :problem:

Graziano responds to South Carolina's abortion law - ABC 4
Charleston County Sheriff Kristin Graziano commented Friday on her office's role in the recently passed law that essentially bans abortion after six weeks.

The state legislature now asks abortion providers to send sheriff's offices reports of women who were impregnated by rape or incest and are trying to terminate the pregnancy.
#prolife
#profamily
#prorape
"I want the public to know that while these providers are now mandated by law to send us these reports regardless of the will of their patients, we will not contact the patient if she doesn’t want us to," Graziano said. "We will offer our support and investigative services only if they request it."

"I know all too well the pain and heartache that comes from sexual assault, as a family member to a victim and as someone who has worked with them as a law enforcement officer," she continued. "It is traumatizing, and my agency will do everything we can to offer care, solace and respect to these women who are seeking health care."
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:51 pm Fireworks
Guns
Affordable housing
Ability to work on your car on your property ie property rights
Being an independent contractor ie the ability to earn a living the way you want to
The ability to drive older vehicles without government interference
Water
Clean air
Tennessee has better fireworks than damned near anyone, and you can fire them off in your yard. We're going to set out Monday evening and watch everyone set theirs off. Better show than we used to have at the drive-ins in Wichita back in the day.

And let's remember that you don't want business to have the right to do what they want on their own land. So you want to do what YOU want to do on YOUR land, but you want to regulate your neighbor's use of THEIR land. Hypocrite.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:51 am Unless the California supreme courts rule against the liberals my business would be illegal in California if I lived there and I would have about a week to close shop.
Your party is getting the government to force abused children into bearing children of their own. :?

Your own state is feeding data on abortion-seekers to the cops. :?

But here you're out here proclaiming victimhood over something that doesn't even affect you. :?

As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure - Cincinnati.com
On Monday three days after the Supreme Court issued its groundbreaking decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis obstetrician-gynecologist, took a call from a colleague, a child abuse doctor in Ohio.

Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant.
A ban on abortions after six weeks took effect on last week in Ohio. Last Friday the two abortion providers in Kentucky shut their doors after that state’s trigger law banning abortions went into effect.

Indiana soon could have similar restrictions.
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Anyone, besides me, notice how glenn posted a lie in the title of this thread? His business is in South Carolina, not California, and although he sometimes drive to California it isn't going to affect him.
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The CA law, AB-5, does not outlaw any business. It does not outlaw trucking, not by truckers who live in CA, and not even trucking by independent contractor truckers.

It does force some trucking companies to be more honest in how they define those who primarily and solely work for them (and are thus not truly independent, i.e. offering their services freely) as, well, being employees.

Will some of these companies fire some employees rather than clarify their status? Maybe, again I'd like to see where the cited figure comes from, but the intent of the law is not to cease the operations of any business.
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This is a very old labor dispute that's been a big deal for as long as I remember. Some Chicano activists have made strides organizing the almost 100% Spanish-speaking port truckers, who have always been exploited and generally taken advantage of. It's a scuzzy industry with some real borderline labor practices. I don't have all the details, but I do know that no one else seems to think that the CA legislature wants to outlaw the normal trucking business.
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ZoWie wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:18 pm This is a very old labor dispute that's been a big deal for as long as I remember. Some Chicano activists have made strides organizing the almost 100% Spanish-speaking port truckers, who have always been exploited and generally taken advantage of. It's a scuzzy industry with some real borderline labor practices. I don't have all the details, but I do know that no one else seems to think that the CA legislature wants to outlaw the normal trucking business.
Except for the trucking lobbying firms, which are paid to shill for the port trucking companies, and Glenn, of course, which is taken in by the scam.
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Right, the port trucking companies don't want to lose their ethnic-minority labor that they've been able to exploit because they lack the political clout of, say, Teamsters.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:35 pm Anyone, besides me, notice how glenn posted a lie in the title of this thread? His business is in South Carolina, not California, and although he sometimes drive to California it isn't going to affect him.
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And this!

https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... mmigrants/
California will offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants
viewtopic.php?t=919


Makes us a safer place to live and makes us a PRO LIFE state. That phrase MUST Be stripped of the fascists.
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Libertas wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:35 pm And this!

https://thehill.com/changing-america/we ... mmigrants/



viewtopic.php?t=919


Makes us a safer place to live and makes us a PRO LIFE state. That phrase MUST Be stripped of the fascists.
Love this!
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:51 am Just another reason why as a general rule I do not vote for liberals or for democrats who will have to cowtow to the liberal extremist who control the democratic party.
Excellent. Please don't ever vote for anybody in this party for any reason, not even the stupid cons in it.

You're far more suited for this noose-knotter:

Florida Gov signs law requiring students, faculty be asked their political beliefs - The Hill
Story at a glance

• Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed HB 233 Tuesday.

• The legislation will require public universities to survey students and staff annually about their beliefs to assess “viewpoint diversity” on campuses.

• The bill does not specifically say what will be done with survey results, but DeSantis suggested budget cuts could be imminent if universities and colleges are found to be “indoctrinating” students.
This POS law went into effect on Friday.

The last thing the Dem party needs ia people like you in it. Confederate constituents and other noose-knotting politicians already crapped all over this party for 150 years until Civil Rights came along and took segregationism away from you.

Stay in the R. party where you belong, with the rest of the pro-COVID, pro-rape, pro-incest, forced-childbirth authoritarians.
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