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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:15 pm Ok tell.me what did President Biden personally do.
Leadership, what is it?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics ... index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/15/biden-p ... -says.html
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:15 pm Ok tell.me what did President Biden personally do.
First, the President appointed a Presidential Emergency Board, that made recommendations as to what a fair deal for both sides looked like.

Then Biden and his Secretary of Labor, Marty Walsh called both sides to DC and mediated the negotiations, pushed both sides hard and closed the deal.

And ultimately, the sides accepted the recommendations of Biden's Emergency Board.

To bring both sides to the table, gain the respect of BOTH the unions and the Railroad companies, is very tough. These talks could easily have blown up on either side. This is a big win for the nation and for Biden. You owe him big time!

Way To Go Joe!
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:42 pm This has been in the news quite a bunch lately. It seems to me if they do strike President Biden will probably let it go on 3 days to a week then be forced to order the workers to return to work.i don't see how he would have any other option.

I was wondering how that is going to sit with progressives and other union supporters.
Three days, uh? So using your usual accuracy for predictions that would mean today is Sunday, Sept 18, 2022.
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gounion wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:04 pm First, the President appointed a Presidential Emergency Board, that made recommendations as to what a fair deal for both sides looked like.

Then Biden and his Secretary of Labor, Marty Walsh called both sides to DC and mediated the negotiations, pushed both sides hard and closed the deal.

And ultimately, the sides accepted the recommendations of Biden's Emergency Board.

To bring both sides to the table, gain the respect of BOTH the unions and the Railroad companies, is very tough. These talks could easily have blown up on either side. This is a big win for the nation and for Biden. You owe him big time!

Way To Go Joe!
Biden did a good job but he didn't do anything any other president not named trump would not have done .

Omg Biden did his job let's celebrate.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:49 pm Biden did a good job but he didn't do anything any other president not named trump would not have done .

Omg Biden did his job let's celebrate.
Hard for GOP President to get respect and confidence of union people, since the GOP hates unions so much. They would want to force contract giving everything to the company down the union’s throat, which would make things worse. Biden won respect and cooperation from both sides.
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gounion wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:15 pm Hard for GOP President to get respect and confidence of union people, since the GOP hates unions so much. They would want to force contract giving everything to the company down the union’s throat, which would make things worse. Biden won respect and cooperation from both sides.
There are almost no records left for Joe to break. Will go down as one of the all time greats.
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Libertas wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:44 pm There are almost no records left for Joe to break. Will go down as one of the all time greats.
There's nothing that Biden could do that Glenn would praise. He was caught flat-footed on this, because Glenn was planning to go to town on Biden, whining that his own job would be affected by the strike, and that Biden was weak and ineffective and the unions were walking all over him, and Glenn would be going on and on and on about it.

So of course the last thing he's going to do is admit how good a job Biden did.
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gounion wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:48 pm There's nothing that Biden could do that Glenn would praise. He was caught flat-footed on this, because Glenn was planning to go to town on Biden, whining that his own job would be affected by the strike, and that Biden was weak and ineffective and the unions were walking all over him, and Glenn would be going on and on and on about it.

So of course the last thing he's going to do is admit how good a job Biden did.

What Biden done is what any president other than trump would have done.
What makes it appear to be so exceptional is because we just survived 4 years of trump.
Who had no.clue on being presidential or how to do the job.
So even a task like dealing with the RR strike seems huge.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:14 pm What Biden done is what any president other than trump would have done.
What makes it appear to be so exceptional is because we just survived 4 years of trump.
Who had no.clue on being presidential or how to do the job.
So even a task like dealing with the RR strike seems huge.
What Biden done?

Biden did what many, many, other Presidents haven't done. Biden supported the union.

On the other hand ya Have PATCO.

Do the math dude. :mrgreen:
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The bucks stops with Biden they, say. Unless it’s all the great stuff he’s doing. Then denial and anger sets in. :lol:
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Drak wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:26 pm The bucks stops with Biden they, say. Unless it’s all the great stuff he’s doing. Then denial and anger sets in. :lol:
The cognitive dissonance…
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:14 pm What Biden done is what any president other than trump would have done.
What makes it appear to be so exceptional is because we just survived 4 years of trump.
Who had no.clue on being presidential or how to do the job.
So even a task like dealing with the RR strike seems huge.
Again, GOP Presidents want to destroy unions, so they wouldn't have brought any together. Brad has a good point - your our hero Reagan, after promising during his campaign to support PATCO, instead destroyed it. That's what Republicans do - they blame unions.

Just like you blame Democrats.
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Drak wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:30 am Image
Congratulations to president Biden for getting the trains to run on time
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gounion wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:48 am Again, GOP Presidents want to destroy unions, so they wouldn't have brought any together. Brad has a good point - your our hero Reagan, after promising during his campaign to support PATCO, instead destroyed it. That's what Republicans do - they blame unions.

Just like you blame Democrats.
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Cons just have to admit they won’t be happy until we are out of this country or dead, just admit it.

Are you going to bus us to Canada?
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It's not a rewrite of history to say Ray Gun busted the air controllers' union.

He fired thousands of air controllers to bust the union. It paralyzed the system for years.

This was decades after he first came to the attention of the money class by double crossing his fellow SAG members who had elected him to head their union. Ronzo started as a union buster, and made his career on same.

There's no neutral on a moving train. The money class wants to go to Dallas when we paid for New York.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:11 am It's not a rewrite of history to say Ray Gun busted the air controllers' union.

He fired thousands of air controllers to bust the union. It paralyzed the system for years.

This was decades after he first came to the attention of the money class by double crossing his fellow SAG members who had elected him to head their union. Ronzo started as a union buster, and made his career on same.

There's no neutral on a moving train. The money class wants to go to Dallas when we paid for New York.
1 The strike was illegal
2 He gave then 48 hours to return to work
3 The union was demanding a $10,000 raise and a 32 hour work week
4 The union gambled that he wouldn't/couldn't fire them and told their members to continue to violate federal law
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Technically, this is a true statement.

We get into value judgments when you start talking hours and wages. Would you want to be an air traffic controller? It's the most stressful job going, and if you mess up it starts raining aluminum, jet-A, and bloody body parts. More to the point, would you fly if you knew the controllers were running on coffee and speed to get through a shift? Of course you wouldn't. A 32-hour week with lots of breaks was for safety reasons, and he fired every single controller, and it was years rebuilding the system. Everyone bitched about the air travel delays, but no one bitched about a doddering fool manipulated by greedy corporate robber barons hoodwinking the public with the same tired old script about morning in America.
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