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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:50 pm The immigrants pay the traffickers.
It's more complex than that. Immigrants don't have the hundreds or thousands required by they coyotes. But when Immigration raids places like a Tysons packing plant, and take the undocumented out, the plant will always have a busload of new ones there the next day. That says to me the corporations have it all well-organized.

So they are underwriting things to a great degree. Common sense. Since their business model is based upon illegal immigration, they have to have easy access to lots of them ready to work.
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Bludogdem wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:50 pm The immigrants pay the traffickers.
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Recruiters were paid and conned into fraudulently luring people from federal proceedings under false pretenses. The were told they were being taken to a place that had jobs, homes and shelter. Desantis has committed possible federal crimes.


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A 27-year-old Venezuelan migrant told the San Antonio Report Thursday he was paid $200 in cash to recruit people from outside San Antonio’s migrant resource center to board a flight that landed at Martha’s Vineyard Wednesday.

Emmanuel, who declined to give a reporter his last name, said a woman he knows as “Perla” told him she wanted to send migrants to “sanctuary states” where the government has more resources to help them...

Officials there said they had no warning the migrants were coming. Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis took credit for the flights, telling media outlets it was part of his state’s program to relocate migrants to a “sanctuary destination.”

…NPR and other outlets reported that the migrants now in Martha’s Vineyard said they were told jobs and housing would be waiting for them, echoing what Emmanuel told the San Antonio Report…

… Several said they heard Emmanuel tell other migrants that if they boarded the flight to Massachusetts, “No te faltara nada,” “You won’t need a thing.” They declined to give a reporter their names.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:37 pm You guys should start a go fund me for the illegal aliens.
I suggest that you figure your net worth then calculate how much of that is because of your white privilege and donate that amount
You honestly don’t consider yourself a Christian, do you?
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Drak wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:03 am You honestly don’t consider yourself a Christian, do you?
He’s one of those ‘slaves obey your masters’ Christians.

You should see what they do to Beatitudes Christians.

They act like Jesus was a white blond conservative and the Bible was written in English. :problem:
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:54 am He’s one of those ‘slaves obey your masters’ Christians.

You should see what they do to Beatitudes Christians.

They act like Jesus was a white blond conservative and the Bible was written in English. :problem:
Yep.

The Bible is filled with verses about how you’re to treat foreigners/migrants/strangers. It’s an important part of the text. His leaders and spiritual advisors are leading him astray, and there’s a whole bit about that in the Bible, as well.
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Drak wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:58 am Yep.

The Bible is filled with verses about how you’re to treat foreigners/migrants/strangers. It’s an important part of the text. His leaders and spiritual advisors are leading him astray, and there’s a whole bit about that in the Bible, as well.
I wasn't aware that you were such an expert on the bible. I am surprised you didn't quote chapter and verse
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:03 am I wasn't aware that you were such an expert on the bible. I am surprised you didn't quote chapter and verse
Do you want quotes and chapters? I can provide them if you like. It’s pretty clear throughout.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:03 am I wasn't aware that you were such an expert on the bible. I am surprised you didn't quote chapter and verse
There are literally dozens of them.

Literally. Dozens.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:30 pm There are at least 6 sanctuary cities in Mass
:? one needn't be "an expert on the Bible" to know that the very concept of sanctuary cities LITERALLY comes from the Bible.

Numbers 35, NIV for you conservative Presbyterians:
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6 “Six of the towns you give the Levites will be cities of refuge, to which a person who has killed someone may flee. In addition, give them forty-two other towns. 7 In all you must give the Levites forty-eight towns, together with their pasturelands. 8 The towns you give the Levites from the land the Israelites possess are to be given in proportion to the inheritance of each tribe: Take many towns from a tribe that has many, but few from one that has few.”

9 Then the Lord said to Moses: 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 11 select some towns to be your cities of refuge, to which a person who has killed someone accidentally may flee. 12 They will be places of refuge from the avenger, so that anyone accused of murder may not die before they stand trial before the assembly. 13 These six towns you give will be your cities of refuge. 14 Give three on this side of the Jordan and three in Canaan as cities of refuge. 15 These six towns will be a place of refuge for Israelites and for foreigners residing among them, so that anyone who has killed another accidentally can flee there.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:37 pm You guys should start a go fund me for the illegal aliens.
Leviticus 19:34 - NIV
34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:37 pm I suggest that you figure your net worth then calculate how much of that is because of your white privilege and donate that amount
What white privilege?
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So is anyone here in favor of lying to immigrants then busing them elsewhere for the sole purpose of making political points and trying to embarrass them and Democrats and still calls themselves a Christian?

I guess calling them illegal aliens answers my question.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:11 amShouldn't sanctuary cities be welcoming illegal aliens with open arms
Deuteronomy 27:19
19 “Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
and encouraging states like Florida and Texas to send as many illegal aliens as they can.
Check out why the city of Sodom was destroyed, and report back.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:11 am Shouldn't sanctuary cities be welcoming illegal aliens with open arms and encouraging states like Florida and Texas to send as many illegal aliens as they can.
Looks like you've been reading White Citizens Council newsletters, again.

This is how conservative whites treat "minorities." Only difference in what you're advocating is the date stamp on the page.

Oh yes, and DeSantis is a governor. Russell was a Congressperson.

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Relocation of Negroes Urged: Russell Plan Would Help Northern States Get Their Fair Share - The Citizen's Council, 1959, Ole Miss Libraries

Same old racist xenophobia, same strategies, same tactics, same old treating human beings as pawns, same continuity of racist public policies, same old state authoritarianism, same old white conservatism.
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I think whoever has any power on this board must enforce the rule that the term “illegal aliens“ belongs in the same category as the N-word etc.

It is embarrassing to see that term used on a board I participate on.

“Illegals” also.
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Libertas wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:33 am I think whoever has any power on this board must enforce the rule that the term “illegal aliens“ belongs in the same category as the N-word etc.

It is embarrassing to see that term used on a board I participate on.

“Illegals” also.
It's the only word he can get away with to express extremist xenophobia. Every other word would also get him banned.
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The idea that a human being can be illegal is based on an erroneous premise, and mostly gives credence to the old one liner about how the real basis for sovereignty really does come from the barrel of a gun. What should be illegal is the encouraging of people who lack the proper authorization coming into a country to work for unlawful wages under brutal conditions because if they complain they get kicked out on their own on the other side of a line in the dirt.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:11 am Shouldn't sanctuary cities be welcoming illegal aliens with open arms and encouraging states like Florida and Texas to send as many illegal aliens as they can.
Conservative whites said the same thing about the negroes in 1959.

Census Figures Show 36 States Need More Negroes to Equal US Average, But South Has Surplus - The Citizens Council, 1959, Ole Miss Libraries

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A similar program by Citizens Council conservative whites in Lousiana was actually implemented, by the way. See Libertas's thread on this.

Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott are taking a page straight out of the White Citizens Council playbook
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Carmen gets it that a lot of the Republican world view is still based on the premise that most humans are born outside the privileged class and their worth as people is based only on how much cheap labor they can be coerced into. The shining city on the hill overlooks the homeless sleeping on the beach.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:11 am Shouldn't sanctuary cities be welcoming ...
Yes.

Now, please don't go burn down Martha's Vineyard because they welcomed people you despise.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:03 am I wasn't aware that you were such an expert on the bible. I am surprised you didn't quote chapter and verse
Not everybody who doesn't read it devotionally, is unaware of what's in it as a literary text, or the scholarship around it. After all, there are Biblical scholars, like Bart Ehrman, who have written about it.

I obviously don't read the New Testament, devotionally. My personal Bible is only the Masoretic text aka "OT". (They gave it to me on my Bar Mitzvah. My Rabbi signed it.) That said, I HAVE read the New Testament, and have another edition with it, because I do have to research it for scholarly purposes.

Of course, all that aside in turn, we're in a glorious new era where the whole text is online and Internet searchable. So aside from arguments about translations and editions with different versions ... not gonna go there right now ... it's pretty easy for anybody to find out what's in it, what's not, and where.

I CAN tell you this - a little quick googling, and you can easily find out the text has more to say about sanctuary and refuge for foreigners and strangers, or taking care of the poor, than it does about gay people or gay marriage, or abortion. In fact, technically speaking, per se, it says nothing about those last two things. (In the original languages it was written in, there was no word for "gay" or "homosexual" so basically it really says nothing.)
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:01 pm Carmen gets it that a lot of the Republican world view is still based on the premise that most humans are born outside the privileged class and their worth as people is based only on how much cheap labor they can be coerced into.
It's class but it's far more than just class.

Doesn't matter if you're a doctor or a maid: we're all just n's to them.

Doesn't matter if the "illegals" are doctors or maids, either.

And so many migrants ARE doctors who take maid jobs, here.
The shining city on the hill overlooks the homeless sleeping on the beach.
These conservative whites really are going to have to go back to the drawing board.

There is story after story of the Vineyard welcoming the migrants who came here suffering, and were made to suffer further by these white-conservative regimes.

You can't get any more WASP than Martha's Vineyard, so this White Citizens Council tactic of theirs has seriously backfired. I just hope these conservative whites don't run up and Viola Liuzzo MV after this. :(
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I wonder if board cons will be willing to admit they were teapartiers?
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:57 am The idea that a human being can be illegal is based on an erroneous premise,
Crossing the U.S.-Mexico border without the proper immigration documents is a crime. So they have committed a criminal act. The question is what kind of crime? The answer is a misdemeanor, not a felony.

The thing is, yeah, I don't think committing a minor crime makes you an "illegal" human being. And having done it and not being a U.S. citizen, that does not mean you have no rights here. In fact, even as a non-citizen under international law, you have human rights the U.S. must respect.

So -- I agree with Drak, Abbott & Costello, err dePutin, violated these migrants' rights.

An additional irony as I keep saying is we keep saying we will welcome refugees from the authoritarian-left Venezuelan Maduro regime. That also appears to have been a lie, as Venezuelans made up a large portion of these relocated migrants. Maybe DePutin needs to be reminded of this on his annual "Victims of Communism" day.
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