NTSB wants all new vehicles to check drivers for alcohol use

[carmenjonze]

I wasn’t thinking about relinquishing control to the car. I was kinda hoping we would all have a personal R2D2.

I heard it's so hard to find good help, these days.

[Number6]

I wasn’t thinking about relinquishing control to the car. I was kinda hoping we would all have a personal R2D2.

I can see it now, R2D2 is driving and you get pulled over by a pair of troopers and one says "That's the droid you're looking for."

[Glennfs]

FYI if any of you ever get stopped for any traffic stop be it a DUI check point or not and the cop asks have you had anything to drink.
There is only one correct answer.
I Don't Drink
anything else gives them probable cause.

[carmenjonze]

FYI if any of you ever get stopped for any traffic stop be it a DUI check point or not and the cop asks have you had anything to drink.
There is only one correct answer.
I Don't Drink
anything else gives them probable cause.

This may or may not work for Black and Latino motorists. See what bradman said about pre-textual stops.

You should remember that you guys see us as an entire class of criminals, crooks, drug dealers, winos, etc.

We could dress in Brooks Brothers or have on a military uniform or be sagging our pants; doesn't matter.

[bradman]

FYI if any of you ever get stopped for any traffic stop be it a DUI check point or not and the cop asks have you had anything to drink.
There is only one correct answer.
I Don't Drink
anything else gives them probable cause.

You being a truck driver should know more than anyone here that your 4th amendment rights get thrown out the window as soon as you get behind the wheel.

Quite a few officers go through this training......

https://nctc.counterdrug.org/training/c ... ffic-stop/
Drug Interdiction and Conducting the Complete Traffic Stop

This two-day course provides an in-depth look at the latest criminal patrol techniques being utilized by successful interdiction units. Students will be able to recognize potential criminal indicators and what these indicators could mean. The course will encompass the professional roadside interview and officer safety issues. Furthermore, staff will showcase the latest concealment methods used by drug trafficking organizations. Students will walk through each step, from the initial traffic stop to the post-seizure arrest.

Upon successful completion of the course, students will be able to:

1.Describe the relationship between increased traffic enforcement and reduction of drug trafficking
2.Describe several case studies to show how traffic enforcement reduces drug trafficking
3.Identify certain indicators of criminal activity and their meaning
4.Describe reasons and justifications for traffic stops
5.Describe and understand pre-textual stops
6.Describe types of searches
7.Describe techniques for the officer to use at the stop
8.Demonstrate a working knowledge and understanding of some of the imaginative areas criminals use to conceal illegal narcotics
9.Describe how to safely access these compartments in various vehicles
10.Identify ways to minimize risks from traffic conditions at the stop
11.Identify ways to safely interact with the vehicle occupants while making a traffic stop
12.Identify the importance of a "passenger side approach"
13.Identify safety procedures to consider while conducting searches of vehicles
14.Identify special Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety issues during a stop
Prerequisites: None

Course Length: 2 days / 16 hours

Who May Attend: Law Enforcement

3 is rather interesting. At that point the officer is looking for "tells". Anything from lack of eye contact to slurred speech to being nervous. Any one of those would be probable cause. Here's the problem. It's up to the police officers discretion on how to proceed from there. Given we know some police officers have an authoritarian bend, you can't see how this would cause problems?

Then ya have number 5. Pre-textual stops. Yay. Someone should write a letter.

14. Just one more way to harass truck drivers. Now i can get behind that.

[JoeMemphis]

FYI if any of you ever get stopped for any traffic stop be it a DUI check point or not and the cop asks have you had anything to drink.
There is only one correct answer.
I Don't Drink
anything else gives them probable cause.

Also, try not to slur,spit,puke or cry. Pissing on the patrol car is also a dead giveaway.

[carmenjonze]

Also, try not to slur,spit,puke or cry. Pissing on the patrol car is also a dead giveaway.

^police brutality is just a big joke to conservative whites.

[Libertas]

^police brutality is just a big joke to conservative whites.

That is what I was thinking when I saw that.

I could tell you stories, without telling you exactly who they are about, what it is like to be a white/middle class/str8t/non Jewish person being arrested for drunk driving.

The person I am talking about was NEVER inappropriately handled physically and one time when he or she was in the back seat of the cop car, handcuffed and under arrest, mouthed off something like "I have a friend who is a cop, you should take these handcuffs off me!" They didnt.

I know this person never once feared they would be harmed in any way whatsoever by the cops. They then went to jail for a 48 hour sentence and while it was no fun per the report, there was no danger at all.

Personally I cant imagine how different it would be if you were Black.

[carmenjonze]

That is what I was thinking when I saw that.

I could tell you stories, without telling you exactly who they are about, what it is like to be a white/middle class/str8t/non Jewish person being arrested for drunk driving.

The person I am talking about was NEVER inappropriately handled physically and one time when he or she was in the back seat of the cop car, handcuffed and under arrest, mouthed off something like "I have a friend who is a cop, you should take these handcuffs off me!" They didnt.

I know this person never once feared they would be harmed in any way whatsoever by the cops. They then went to jail for a 48 hour sentence and while it was no fun per the report, there was no danger at all.

Personally I cant imagine how different it would be if you were Black.

Visibly Black and visibly a woman.

I work in a part of town notorious for drug deals going down right in front of the cops, sitting there waiting for their cut. This individual thinks I'm supposed to call the cops when I get mugged, tho. viewtopic.php?p=37361#p37361

He's correct about pretext stops, but really it's just a joke, to these guys. :problem:

[bradman]

Also, try not to slur,spit,puke or cry. Pissing on the patrol car is also a dead giveaway.

Spitting or pissing on a patrol car will only add to the list of charges. Do it to an officer and the charges get serious.

On the other hand, should lack of eye contact or acting nervous be a reason for probable cause? Given some people, justifiably so, get a bit uptight during police interaction, can the officer recognize the difference between that and a training course that trains them to think the person in question is doing something illegal? It's the difference between escalating and deescalating.

[Drak]

Driving isn’t a right. Just don’t drink and drive, simple. If you’re too childish to handle that responsibility, then you probably shouldn’t be driving.

[carmenjonze]

Given some people, justifiably so, get a bit uptight during police interaction, ...

Which people?

Be specific with your answer, please. Keep in mind you think I'm supposed to call the cops while getting mugged.

[bradman]

Driving isn’t a right. Just don’t drink and drive, simple. If you’re too childish to handle that responsibility, then you probably shouldn’t be driving.

Problem is there's a whole industry that survives on being able to drink and drive. Which gives the cities a cottage industry. They make a lot of money off DUI's.

[carmenjonze]

Problem is there's a whole industry that survives on being able to drink and drive. Which gives the cities a cottage industry. They make a lot of money off DUI's.

Which people "get a bit uptight during police interaction"?

Why do you suppose that is?

[Number6]

Problem is there's a whole industry that survives on being able to drink and drive. Which gives the cities a cottage industry. They make a lot of money off DUI's.

The industry that makes most of the money is lawyers. The amount of money a city or town gets is small because after lawyer fees, the courts take a big cut of the DUI costs. Here's the cost in Southern California"
Minimum fine: $390

Approximate court penalties (depends on jurisdiction): $1,245

Booking & fingerprinting: $170

Vehicle towing & impound fee: $350

Victim Restitution Fund: $140

3-month DUI school: $575

DMV driver’s license fee: $125

Car insurance increase (over 10 years): $10,154

Bail bond cost (up to): $2,500

Total cost: $15,649
https://www.losangelesduiattorney.com/d ... alifornia/

If you take out the insurance, that $5,495. Often the offender's driver's license is suspended causing them more expenses for having to take public or alternate transportation.

[gounion]

Which people?

Be specific with your answer, please. Keep in mind you think I'm supposed to call the cops while getting mugged.

I never get nervous. I’m a 60-some-year-old white male driving a nice car. Never been treated with anything but respect. Especially when wearing a jacket and tie. Of course I don’t do that any more. I’m reverting to childhood - haven’t wore long pants all summer.

[carmenjonze]

I never get nervous. I’m a 60-some-year-old white male driving a nice car. Never been treated with anything but respect. Especially when wearing a jacket and tie. Of course I don’t do that any more. I’m reverting to childhood - haven’t wore long pants all summer.

Must be nice.

[gounion]

Must be nice.

Well, it wasn't a brag, but that's the reality when you have white privilege. I mean, I don't have to worry. This is a nation where white males never have to worry about anything. Hell, when you're in a suit, they call YOU sir.

It's not right, and I wish that weren't the case, when women and people of color could not have to worry to just walk down the street, but that's our world.

I guess the difference is that I know that's the case.

Not going to go into the long story, but I learned that in the eighties when I had to go to court because I didn't pay a ticket. As my name is alphabetically at the end, I sat through a ton of people, mostly black, getting the book thrown at them by the old white male judge. I was scared to death, thinking, I'm going to go to jail! I was the last person the court was empty, and he let me go. Not a fine, nothing. I paid nothing for the overdue ticket.

I thought that, first, I was really happy (I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect I am allergic to jail), but second, this is fucked up!

[carmenjonze]

Well, it wasn't a brag, but that's the reality when you have white privilege. I mean, I don't have to worry. This is a nation where white males never have to worry about anything. Hell, when you're in a suit, they call YOU sir.

It's not right, and I wish that weren't the case, when women and people of color could not have to worry to just walk down the street, but that's our world.

I guess the difference is that I know that's the case.

Not going to go into the long story, but I learned that in the eighties when I had to go to court because I didn't pay a ticket. As my name is alphabetically at the end, I sat through a ton of people, mostly black, getting the book thrown at them by the old white male judge. I was scared to death, thinking, I'm going to go to jail! I was the last person the court was empty, and he let me go. Not a fine, nothing. I paid nothing for the overdue ticket.

I thought that, first, I was really happy (I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect I am allergic to jail), but second, this is fucked up!

All white privilege is, is being the beneficiary of racism.

Our peers’ quality of life is not affected by these policy and legal choices, which are deadly and debilitating to us.

[bradman]

The industry that makes most of the money is lawyers. The amount of money a city or town gets is small because after lawyer fees, the courts take a big cut of the DUI costs. Here's the cost in Southern California"
Minimum fine: $390

Approximate court penalties (depends on jurisdiction): $1,245

Booking & fingerprinting: $170

Vehicle towing & impound fee: $350

Victim Restitution Fund: $140

3-month DUI school: $575

DMV driver’s license fee: $125

Car insurance increase (over 10 years): $10,154

Bail bond cost (up to): $2,500

Total cost: $15,649
https://www.losangelesduiattorney.com/d ... alifornia/

If you take out the insurance, that $5,495. Often the offender's driver's license is suspended causing them more expenses for having to take public or alternate transportation.

True, and both my city Mayor and PC said about the same thing. Apparently the city makes more money on traffic violations. 2-3% of our budget, part of which goes to the police department, to which i made my objection.

If i remember right, including insurance, the average DUI, costs around 10 grand nowadays. Ya'd think that'd be enough of a deterrent.

10 grand per person. Paid out to the courts, parole reporting, lawyers, mandatory drug counseling, MADD classes, towing outfits and fees up the wazoo. Lot a' people have their fingers in the till.

i've always thought the bars should be partly responsible. But that goes over about as well as holding gun manufacturer's responsible.

[Glennfs]

True, and both my city Mayor and PC said about the same thing. Apparently the city makes more money on traffic violations. 2-3% of our budget, part of which goes to the police department, to which i made my objection.

If i remember right, including insurance, the average DUI, costs around 10 grand nowadays. Ya'd think that'd be enough of a deterrent.

10 grand per person. Paid out to the courts, parole reporting, lawyers, mandatory drug counseling, MADD classes, towing outfits and fees up the wazoo. Lot a' people have their fingers in the till.

i've always thought the bars should be partly responsible. But that goes over about as well as holding gun manufacturer's responsible.

Holding the bars makes a little sense. Until you consider that .08 is legally drunk. At .08 a person really isn't showing any signs of inebriation.
What I personally do when out is have no more than 2 the first hour. Then no more than 1 an hour after that. Then none the last hour before driving plus make sure I eat something.
That way you are never legally drunk. I also have a bottle of pop with me as a diversion

[carmenjonze]

Holding the bars makes a little sense. Until you consider that .08 is legally drunk. At .08 a person really isn't showing any signs of inebriation.
What I personally do when out is have no more than 2 the first hour. Then no more than 1 an hour after that. Then none the last hour before driving plus make sure I eat something.
That way you are never legally drunk. I also have a bottle of pop with me as a diversion

You just admitted to regularly driving under the influence, but lie to the cops that you don’t drink.

But then, you also lie on your resume to steal a job from someone with the actual qualifications.

Nice going.

Hey, considering your little angry outburst in the Brett Favre welfare cheat thread today, I gotta ask: was it your parents who taught you defrauding others is good, or is that a part of white conservative culture in general.

[Drak]

You just admitted to regularly driving under the influence, but lie to the cops that you don’t drink.

But then, you also lie on your resume to steal a job from someone with the actual qualifications.

Nice going.

Hey, considering your little angry outburst in the Brett Favre welfare cheat thread today, I gotta ask: was it your parents who taught you defrauding others is good, or is that a part of white conservative culture in general.

Drives under the influence . Lies on his résumé. Cheats on his taxes. A real class citizen.

[bradman]

Holding the bars makes a little sense. Until you consider that .08 is legally drunk. At .08 a person really isn't showing any signs of inebriation.
What I personally do when out is have no more than 2 the first hour. Then no more than 1 an hour after that. Then none the last hour before driving plus make sure I eat something.
That way you are never legally drunk. I also have a bottle of pop with me as a diversion

As i mentioned before, a whole industry depends on being able to drink and drive. A lot of people would lose their jobs if that industry had to adhere to present day DUI laws.

Eating does nothing. Same with coffee. Pump coffee into a drunk and all ya have is a wide awake drunk.

Sweating, pissing, and especially breathing, are the only ways to remove alcohol from your system.

[ZoWie]

Hey, considering your little angry outburst in the Brett Favre welfare cheat thread today, I gotta ask: was it your parents who taught you defrauding others is good, or is that a part of white conservative culture in general.

It's a part of white conservative culture in general.

It's also an important part of American culture. Everyone envies cheats and gangsters, since they are successful in acquiring the trappings of wealth in a national culture that venerates same.