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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:00 pm 
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I have no idea of what you "didn't have the right to choose" means.

Just because you were "forced" to pay into SSI doesn't mean you have to accept it later in life. If you really believe in those conservative principles of yours then you'll refuse to accept Social Security and Medicare or you're a hypocrite.

If they offered free abortions conservatives would go get them! It's just in their mindset.


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I am the first to admit that successful drivers just aren't like "normal" people.

Define what a successful driver is and what "normal" people are. I have a feeling these are ambiguous terms because there are no standards to compare them to.

In the late 70s, the AF said a successful career was for an officer to make Colonel (O-6) and an enlisted person to make Chief Master Sergeant (E-9). A couple of years later, AF leaders realized they made a mistake in saying this because it meant only 1-2% of the entire force could have a successful career. They then changed a successful career to mean whatever the individual believed it to be which enable everyone to make their own determination. Applying this to your career field, a successful driver is what ever the driver wants it to be.

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Define what a successful driver is and what "normal" people are. I have a feeling these are ambiguous terms because there are no standards to compare them to.

In the late 70s, the AF said a successful career was for an officer to make Colonel (O-6) and an enlisted person to make Chief Master Sergeant (E-9). A couple of years later, AF leaders realized they made a mistake in saying this because it meant only 1-2% of the entire force could have a successful career. They then changed a successful career to mean whatever the individual believed it to be which enable everyone to make their own determination. Applying this to your career field, a successful driver is what ever the driver wants it to be.


A successful driver is one who is angry because they can only work 70 hours in 8 days. A person who can stay away from home for weeks at a time. A person who can sleep in less than stellar conditions of cold and heat. A person who doesn't need or want a "bossman" looking over their shoulders. It takes a different type of mentality to not only do this job but, to enjoy doing it.

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A successful driver is one who is angry because they can only work 70 hours in 8 days. A person who can stay away from home for weeks at a time. A person who can sleep in less than stellar conditions of cold and heat. A person who doesn't need or want a "bossman" looking over their shoulders. It takes a different type of mentality to not only do this job but, to enjoy doing it.

But more than willing the mow the boss's lawn for free to suck up to him.

Trucks are dangerous vehicles, and it's unsafe to take amphetamines and drive without breaks. I'm glad there's such regulations, they save lives.


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A successful driver is one who is angry because they can only work 70 hours in 8 days. A person who can stay away from home for weeks at a time. A person who can sleep in less than stellar conditions of cold and heat. A person who doesn't need or want a "bossman" looking over their shoulders. It takes a different type of mentality to not only do this job but, to enjoy doing it.

IOW, a person who is a danger to themselves and others. It sounds more like you're running away from home and family rather than spending time with them.

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Yes, Glenn, we worry about who will take care of you when you are sick...or old...or needy.....It's a moral obligation we extend to all of our fellow humans. You're welcome.

It was once said that the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped. Hubert H. Humphrey


Well said. Glen has already seen this, and made at least one post since yours. And he's hiding in the fucking weeds.

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I will thank you to keep any reference to my wife out of your mouth. Unless you are replying to a comment I made about her.


You can thank me all you like. What's in my mouth is mine. And what's in my mouth right now is that you're a remarkably ignorant ideologue...who's being butt fucked multiple times daily by those he idolizes, and somehow fails to either realize it or more likely, who realizes it but ignores it for some reason. Want to share?

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Glen only started this thread to deflect from the latest racist statements out of donald trump....and the conservative white agreement and capitulation to them.

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You can thank me all you like. What's in my mouth is mine. And what's in my mouth right now is that you're a remarkably ignorant ideologue...who's being butt fucked multiple times daily by those he idolizes, and somehow fails to either realize it or more likely, who realizes it but ignores it for some reason. Want to share?


Conservative male Stockholm Syndrome.

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Glen has already seen this, and made at least one post since yours. And he's hiding in the fucking weeds.



Well i'll be damned. i hadn't noticed. ;)

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Well said. Glen has already seen this, and made at least one post since yours. And he's hiding in the fucking weeds.[/quote


I am not hiding anywhere I spent about 3 hours here then had to get to work. What GoU did was something he is an expert at.Made a post where no matter how you answer he has a direction he will take it. His original question was what would you do if you got sick.

My reply was that unlike liberals I choose not to live my life worrying about becoming disabled. Which of course he took and switched gears to painting the left as some sort of great humanitarians. As if he was asking the question about society in general instead of me in particular.

So once again you folks on the left take one thing a person says and makes it into something else. It is your super power.

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Glen only started this thread to deflect from the latest racist statements out of donald trump....and the conservative white agreement and capitulation to them.


Not at all and as usual your hatred of whites has made you wrong once again. I made because of all the posts mostly on FB made by lefties claiming how much better off we would be if only we were like Norway. In usual liberal fashion they ignore the facts. Or knowing how Progressives tend to be uninformed it could be once again they just look at an issue without investigating the facts.

The number one fact being if we had $9 a gallon gas in the USA it would destroy our economy. If our economy were destroyed then the worlds economy would also be destroyed.

One more thought. So often we hear from the left "why do people vote against their own best interests." When in fact they are voting against what the left believes is in their best interests.

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Well said. Glen has already seen this, and made at least one post since yours. And he's hiding in the fucking weeds.[/quote




My reply was that unlike liberals I choose not to live my life worrying about becoming disabled. Which of course he took and switched gears to painting the left as some sort of great humanitarians. As if he was asking the question about society in general instead of me in particular.

Didn't like my little play with your words?
Unlike the insinuation that the non-union/independent worker is somehow has morally superior work ethic to that of a union worker..........My insinuation holds water. ;)

We've been working on societies woes since the dawn of the caveman. Ya'all didn't like it when we told ya that ya hafta quit dragging women around by the hair. It's one of the reasons you see the later pictures of the conservative cavemen toting clubs. Kinda set in your ways ya are. Not much patience with change, ya know?

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The number one fact being if we had $9 a gallon gas in the USA it would destroy our economy. If our economy were destroyed then the worlds economy would also be destroyed.

One more thought. So often we hear from the left "why do people vote against their own best interests." When in fact they are voting against what the left believes is in their best interests.


This is a load of the familiar brown article.

I don't know any "liberals" who want $9 a gallon fuel here, and you don't either. The distances here are greater than Europe, and long-haul trucking is more important. (Yes I know trucks use diesel. But that stuff costs money too.)

I know a lot of people who would like us to use less fuel. That's different.

I'm sick of "the left." I'm not convinced that you can tell a real left from Spy vs. Spy. You get your idea of a left from radio talk show hosts. It's all propaganda and images from long gone history.

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pretty much a supremacist belief system and its not enough to just feel superior there's a need to degrade the conditions people work and live in to attempt to force them to be just like them.

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Today here and more so on facebook I read post after post about how rotten the USA is when compared to Norway. That along with the usual LW memes about how the population of Norway is the happiest in the world. Of course none of those memes mentioned the 50+% effective tax rate of Norway nor did they mention that in Norway a gallon of gas is around $9.

But, they did get me to thinking about how those memes show the difference between the mindset of a Liberal and the mindset of a moderate or that of a conservative.

I started driving truck in 1991, anytime after 1993 I could have went to work for any company in the USA both Union or non-Union. Had I had the mindset of a Progressive [ like most here] I would have jumped at a chance to drive for a Union Carrier. The pay would have been higher when compared to driving for a non-union company. The benefits would have been off the chain and of course today I would be looking down the barrel of a large pension just around the corner.

I chose a different path. Most of my carrier I owned my own equipment, which made my pay equal to that of Union drivers, although I do have to work longer hours a quite a bit harder for that pay and have next to no benefits. On paper it makes way more sense to have the Progressive Mindset and work at the Union outfit.

But, then there is the non-liberal mindset. Those of us who are fortunate enough to have decent health [ which is most of us] are going to get about 50 years of freedom. Prior to age 21 we are under the control of our parents, after 71 we are coming to the end of the journey.

I cannot understand what we use to call in the car business the "lunch box" mentality. One where you work for the man all week, doing what you are told to do when you are told to do it. One where you get two days a week and 2 to 4 [ maybe 5] weeks a year to enjoy freedom.

I know people I went to school with who still live in NE Ohio who for the last 35 to 40 years spend 2 weeks a year in Myrtle Beach. The other 50 weeks a year they talk about either the last two weeks they spent at the beach or the next two weeks they are going to spend at the beech.

What a wasted life, yet that is the life the mentality of the American Liberal seems to crave. One where we work 46 to 50 weeks a year for close to all of our 50 years of freedom. Pay crazy high taxes but, like the animal in the zoo have all of our needs along with some of our wants provided for us by some Gov't agency somewhere.

As opposed to embracing the freedoms we have here in the USA [aka the greatest country in the history of man] and finding our own way in life. Not having to kowtow to some employer somewhere. Not selling the only 50 free years we are going to get in this world, for what we perceive as security. Never having any adventures or misadventures. Just hitting an employable age, finding a trade then selling 50 years of your life for nothing.

and that {IMO} is the difference in the mindset of your progressive and your non-progressive. Not being afraid to set out on your own and fail.

Sidebar: my "golden years" are not going to be all that by comparison. But, fishing is still free and I'll take the trade I made years ago anytime. 10 years at the end of life of having to make due to get by for 50 prime years of freedom.

Which is another example of why non-liberals would be miserable living under the what they have in places like Norway.

I have stayed away from this thread deliberately. Primarily because it is so loaded with stereotyping by the thread's originator as to be basically useless.

Let us start with this: Glen, you have no idea what you are talking about. Previously I have begged, cajoled, demanded, pleaded and asked nicely that you go and do some research. You have refused. You know nothing about life in Norway. You have no defined definition of freedom other than the willingness to work your ass off for lower wages. On one of the later posts you claim that a successful truck driver is one who is pissed he can't work 70 hours a week. So are we to assume that you want to work 58.3% of the time during a work week? Or do you want to work 10 hours a day, 7 days a week? Do you want the doctor who works on your daughter should she require going to the emergency room to have worked an ungodly number of hours because he wanted to because that is freedom? Do you understand at all that the human brain and human mind are not wired to function correctly without sufficient rest and nourishment as well as time away from tasks ie relaxation?

You see, Glen, I don't believe you. You didn't choose the life of a non-union truck driver for the "freedom". You chose it because either you were indoctrinated by someone or something to hate unions. Therefore you determined not to work for unions if you could avoid it. and the bottom line of this entire thread isn't about freedom, it is about you hating unions. You have couched your hatred of unions in a screed against Norway.

And BTW? You stated in one of the later posts that you do not worry about becoming disabled. What a selfish position to take. Does your wife worry? Does your daughter worry? Have you taken out long term care insurance? If you have then you sure as fuck worried about it. Would your family accept the socialism of SSI disability payments? Or would you in your simplistic, stunted belief in the definition of freedom demand that they not take them?

You have not only drunk the Kool-aid, you have bathed in it. The rw concept of negative freedom implies that everyone must have that position. If that were the case then nobody would give a shit about anything or anyone. No one must do anything for anyone because it does not help themselves. Therefore YOU must ignore the regulations that protect others from your impairment while you drive 70 or more hours a week. You must willingly step over the dead and dying person or ignore the child going hungry or the elderly freezing in the winter. You MUST. And the reason why in your socially stunted world comes down to not wanting to pay and not wanting to be coerced into taking care on those who cannot take care of themselves. Well, here is some news for you Glen: if we liquidated all of the assets of charities and churches it would not be enough to care for those people. You may want to live in such a society, I do not. Because it is not freedom.

It is not giving a shit about anyone else but yourself. Be intellectually honest enough to admit that you do not give a shit. But do not couch your hatred of humanity in a screed against Norway.

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The greatest country in the history of man? Maybe European man, and they practically annihilated native tribes to get even that. Oh, and of course, half of it seemed to have no problem with one race enslaving another.

It might have looked great briefly after winning WWII, but that was then and this is now. We don't even have a health system. We're the last place in the world measuring in feet and inches. Our bridges collapse, and the rich plunder the commonweal. Get real.

How would you measure greatness anyway? GDP? Military strength? The "century of the common man," when and if there ever was such a thing? The "land of opportunity," which did exist once but now doesn't unless you go to Harvard?

Perhaps the problem lies in the idea that one country can be somehow ranked as greater than others. Nothing wrong with patriotism until it degrades the rest of the world.

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I remember having a long argument back on the RRMB over American Exceptionalism.

I really think this is one of these things that truly divide conservatives and liberals.

I mean, tell some conservatives this is a country like any other, and nothing really "exceptional" or unique in the world, and they fume. I mean, let's face it, a certain Chump noticed some people just need to hear someone tell them their country is the greatest in the world, and they don't care if after that he's busy picking their pocket. They've already been buttered.

Look, we are in an unexceptional spiral arm of a galaxy and our planet is not in an exceptionally central position in our solar system. We are not in the center of our universe. People have had problems with that idea.

I guess now, that there's nothing exceptional about the spot on the planet they occupy. They have a tough time with that, too. (To be fair, Americans were not the first to think this way.)

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I remember having a long argument back on the RRMB over American Exceptionalism.

I really think this is one of these things that truly divide conservatives and liberals.

I mean, tell some conservatives this is a country like any other, and nothing really "exceptional" or unique in the world, and they fume. I mean, let's face it, a certain Chump noticed some people just need to hear someone tell them their country is the greatest in the world, and they don't care if after that he's busy picking their pocket. They've already been buttered.

Look, we are in an unexceptional spiral arm of a galaxy and our planet is not in an exceptionally central position in our solar system. We are not in the center of our universe. People have had problems with that idea.

I guess now, that there's nothing exceptional about the spot on the planet they occupy. They have a tough time with that, too. (To be fair, Americans were not the first to think this way.)
I posted previously somewhere on the board that I e-mailed Andrew Bacevich about his books. I brought up exceptionalism and his response was that he felt exceptionalism was America’s Original Sin.

While the system of government established was different than most others at the time it still took as its foundation Ancient Greece and the England of their time.

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The greatest country in the history of man? Maybe European man, and they practically annihilated native tribes to get even that. Oh, and of course, half of it seemed to have no problem with one race enslaving another.

It might have looked great briefly after winning WWII, but that was then and this is now. We don't even have a health system. We're the last place in the world measuring in feet and inches. Our bridges collapse, and the rich plunder the commonweal. Get real.

How would you measure greatness anyway? GDP? Military strength? The "century of the common man," when and if there ever was such a thing? The "land of opportunity," which did exist once but now doesn't unless you go to Harvard?

Perhaps the problem lies in the idea that one country can be somehow ranked as greater than others. Nothing wrong with patriotism until it degrades the rest of the world.

The problem with people like glen is the only traveling he's done is on the U.S. highways. He has no clue, other than what he sees in movies, of how other people live let alone how the think. Having lived in Germany, England, and South Korea I noticed things on how they do things. Our country isn't the only one to have the best ideas or as glen and his rightwing ilk call it "exceptionalism." In reality, their "exceptionalism" mean everyone else has to follow the rules "except" them.

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Not at all and as usual your hatred of whites has made you wrong once again.


I don't hate anybody, including "whites". If I did, I would not be here, as it's mostly "whites" here. And I definitely wouldn't be wasting my time posting even more than 3 letters in response to white citizens council types like you.

You should sit down and think why you are the only person here who routinely runs around crying about my supposed "hatred of whites". You should also consider why Norwegians don't even want to move here.

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I made because of all the posts mostly on FB made by lefties claiming how much better off we would be if only we were like Norway. In usual liberal fashion they ignore the facts. Or knowing how Progressives tend to be uninformed it could be once again they just look at an issue without investigating the facts.

The number one fact being if we had $9 a gallon gas in the USA it would destroy our economy. If our economy were destroyed then the worlds economy would also be destroyed.

One more thought. So often we hear from the left "why do people vote against their own best interests." When in fact they are voting against what the left believes is in their best interests.


Why are you trying to throw all the spaghetti at the wall, hoping something sticks? This is what happens with you, when a Black person challenges conservative whites on your beliefs and behavior.

Unlike conservative #maga whites like you, the PM of Norway says the same thing "lefties" here do about donald trump trying to drag Norwegians into your white-conservative hatred of nonwhites and immigrants from anywhere but western Europe.

Conservative whites have a VERY long history of this behavior, starting with the Alien and Sedition Acts up until the present. You guys are just mad because we made you eat it in 1965 with the Immigration and Nationality Act.

And all this time we've heard how much conservative whites HATE quotas. Not when it comes to immigration from anywhere from western Europe, tho....you guys love quotas, then.

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As opposed to embracing the freedoms we have here in the USA [aka the greatest country in the history of man]


Conservative whites think people are things. You also think "freedoms" means either mass-murdering or enslaving or raping everyone/everything you come in contact with.

So it's no surprise you think the USA is the "greatest country in the history of man" is built on genocide, slavery, and rape.

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This is a load of the familiar brown article.

I don't know any "liberals" who want $9 a gallon fuel here, and you don't either. The distances here are greater than Europe, and long-haul trucking is more important. (Yes I know trucks use diesel. But that stuff costs money too.)

I know a lot of people who would like us to use less fuel. That's different.

I'm sick of "the left." I'm not convinced that you can tell a real left from Spy vs. Spy. You get your idea of a left from radio talk show hosts. It's all propaganda and images from long gone history.


All they have is canards, propaganda, and militant ignorance.

They hate and resent education, so they self-defeat their only way out of their miserable lifestyle. I don't see any hope for them.

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Meanwhile, Mein Trumpf is threatening more identity politics revenge against sanctuary cities.

Feds planning massive Northern California immigration sweep to strike against sanctuary laws - SF Chron

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The campaign, centered in the Bay Area, could happen within weeks, and is expected to become the biggest enforcement action of its kind under President Trump, said the source, who requested anonymity because the plans have not been made public.

Trump has expressed frustration that sanctuary laws — which seek to protect immigrants and persuade them not to live in the shadows by restricting cooperation between local and fed


I shouldn't even be posting this. It's porn for conservative whites.

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Meanwhile, Mein Trumpf is threatening more identity politics revenge against sanctuary cities.

Feds planning massive Northern California immigration sweep to strike against sanctuary laws - SF Chron



I shouldn't even be posting this. It's porn for conservative whites.

Yeah, I thought I could here the sound of bishops being polished, dolphins being waxed and monkeys being spanked.

This action is aimed at California by way of the immigrants. Trump wants to punish California because California gave him the finger. I don’t see a whole lot of crackdowns happening in the deep Confederate States of America. If people think their agriculture doesn’t benefit from immigrants they are smoking dope.

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