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 Post subject: RIP Ursula LeGuin
PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:56 pm 
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Reminder: women write science fiction (even black women, see: Octavia Butler), all kinds of people read it, too.

Ursula K. Le Guin, Whose Novels Plucked Truth From High Fantasy, Dies At 88
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... dies-at-88

She tried to incorporate feminist theory and ideas into her novels.

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 Post subject: Re: RIP Ursula LeGuin
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Reminder: women write science fiction (even black women, see: Octavia Butler), all kinds of people read it, too.

Ursula K. Le Guin, Whose Novels Plucked Truth From High Fantasy, Dies At 88
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... dies-at-88

She tried to incorporate feminist theory and ideas into her novels.

never heard of her.
however, many women writers write about strong women. or as stated..."feminist theory".

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 Post subject: Re: RIP Ursula LeGuin
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Her father was Alfred Louis Kroeber, an anthropologist. She was good friends with Philip K. Dick, another one of my favorites, and they even went to the same high school, though at that time they didn't know each other (they would find this out later.)

She drew on a lot of things for her work. Feminism was one influence. So was anthropology, environmentalism/ecofeminism, anarchism, and Taoism (according to Wiki).

I could list a bunch of science fiction awards. Of course, people don't care about those, usually.

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The New York Times described her as "America's greatest living science fiction writer",[2] although she said that she would prefer to be known as an "American novelist".[3]

In 2014, she was awarded the National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters.[6]

In April 2000 the U.S. Library of Congress made Le Guin a Living Legend in the "Writers and Artists" category for her significant contributions to America's cultural heritage.

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 Post subject: Re: RIP Ursula LeGuin
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ye-ah. dont know of him do know that anyone bred from aged anthro's are mostly Out Of Date.
im sure she was fine for her time, things have changed a whole shit lot. anthros are the last to admit this.
archeo's and geo's are ahead of the, last, spin.
im just being pickey. im paid for that. 8-)

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She was good...great even. "Word for the World is Forest" still rings in my mind.

I remember her once telling of her visit to UK. She said something like, "The English are the nicest people in the world." All because of how polite they were in a line at a restaurant.

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She was good...great even. "Word for the World is Forest" still rings in my mind.

I remember her once telling of her visit to UK. She said something like, "The English are the nicest people in the world." All because of how polite they were in a line at a restaurant.

thanks for the input. there are many many very nice people in the world. not sure about the english
but hey, depends on where you drink and eat!!

ive just never heard of her. that title would relate to ..recognition of deforestation. i admire the recognition.
...'silent spring' was also mostly washed away with commercials on the teevee which led most to
believe..buy..that all is ok forever no worries, waste, spend, DGAF. god will prevail. yippee.
iow..merican populace ignored what Rachel Carson wrote.

not sure why ive not heard of this woman. maybe im just a dumb semi anglo. my apologies.

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 Post subject: Re: RIP Ursula LeGuin
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My elementary school librarian introduced me to A Wizard of Earthsea in Grade, oh, 6 I think it was. Until then I read Hardy Boys. After that I've been a science fiction/fantasy geek.

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i come back to this. a Most Accurate title, comment, statement, reality.

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My elementary school librarian introduced me to A Wizard of Earthsea in Grade, oh, 6 I think it was. Until then I read Hardy Boys. After that I've been a science fiction/fantasy geek.

i never got to sci-fi relative to trees or environment stuff reading. i had to live in the present which
involved the trees and land and grasses, as a kid.
as a kid...i grew up seeing..walking amongst, staring at...the bottom boughs of pine trees
which were 10feet long...the bottom branches, of pines on grannies MA land.

yah you cant find that today. what i did what i saw what i played beneath...my memory.
i never thot it would go away. Never.

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 Post subject: Re: RIP Ursula LeGuin
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Her father was Alfred Louis Kroeber, an anthropologist. She was good friends with Philip K. Dick, another one of my favorites, and they even went to the same high school, though at that time they didn't know each other (they would find this out later.)

She drew on a lot of things for her work. Feminism was one influence. So was anthropology, environmentalism/ecofeminism, anarchism, and Taoism (according to Wiki).

I could list a bunch of science fiction awards. Of course, people don't care about those, usually.

[also from Wiki:]
The New York Times described her as "America's greatest living science fiction writer",[2] although she said that she would prefer to be known as an "American novelist".[3]

In 2014, she was awarded the National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters.[6]

In April 2000 the U.S. Library of Congress made Le Guin a Living Legend in the "Writers and Artists" category for her significant contributions to America's cultural heritage.

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If you like Philip K. Dick, Amazon Prime video now has the 10 episode series Electric Dreams on their streaming service, and they're advertising that season three of the Man in the High Castle is coming soon.


I read Le Guin's Earthsea trilogy when I was about 20. I remember reading it but about the only thing I remember about it was there was someone in the story named Vetch, and there were dragons.

I remember thinking the books were sort of OK but were not really my thing. I thought the Pern series of books by McCaffery were better when I was in the mood to read about dragons.

I guess I categorize Le Guin as a fantasy writer, not as a science fiction writer. I'm not a super big fan for fantasy, although I do like Pratchett a lot, and some of the others somewhat.


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 Post subject: Re: RIP Ursula LeGuin
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If you like Philip K. Dick, Amazon Prime video now has the 10 episode series Electric Dreams on their streaming service, and they're advertising that season three of the Man in the High Castle is coming soon.


Season 1 was pretty much retelling the novel, which I've read. Now, PKD always said he would do a sequel - but never did. The story does end with a resolution which you could call a cliffhanger. I guess Season 2 and Season 3 are the sequel(s) he never wrote.

Blade Runner was also one of his novels (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep), so Blade Runner 2049 which was just out is kind of the same thing. I think he died in 1982 just before Blade Runner hit the big screen.

I still think his VALIS novels are the best. So far, nobody's done anything with them except make an opera. (Really, Tod Machover.) Oh, and Radio Free Albemuth was made into so limited a release movie that I think no one ever saw it. I eventually found it and having seen it, I can see they used the production values of a junior high AV club. Oh well. That's what I'm waiting for.

His short stories are good, that's what Electric Dreams is about, Minority Report was originally a short story, but there's those novels - Ubik, Flow My Tears - well, at least there was an adaptation of Through a Scanner Darkly, which actually features a digitized Alex Jones.

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I guess I categorize Le Guin as a fantasy writer, not as a science fiction writer.


Well, she did write Left Hand of Darkness, and the other stories in that "Hainish" cycle are certainly about other planets, space travel, etc. Now, and I would concede this, some people say even those may lean more toward fantasy in the same way as Star Wars does. She was never much into "hard" sci-fi and even when she wrote what's considered that, she was more into the sociology and psychology of extraterrestrial societies ("soft" science, we might say), then hard stuff.

Of course, sometimes, some of us folks find appeal in that. ;)

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