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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:45 am 
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California Venture Capitalist Tim Draper is at it again, he has been circulating a petition that is approved by the California Secretary of State would be approved for the November that would split California into three separate states.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/spl ... 830724.php.

Mr. Draper's last attempt to split California 6-Ways failed.

Previous attempts to split California into 2-States have also failed.

This is seen as more of an attempt to reduce the influence of the Democratic Party in California, which has strong majorities in the State Assembly and State Senate. The California Republican Party is all but dead with less than 25% of California Voters identifying as Republican.

The petition circulated by Draper gathered 600,000 signatures, but a total of 365,880 valid signatures are need to put the measure on the ballot.

Attempts to split California surface from time to time and do not succeed. California has the sixth largest economy (equal to France) world wide.

Southern California Republicans have long chaffed at their minority status and with the November Election in just little over 200-Days away they continue to grasp at straws as challengers to Conservative Representatives like Dana Rohrabacher and Tom McClintock gather strength. Representative Darrell Issa has announced he is NOT running for another term, but is making noise about running in another district.

The announcement by House Speaker Paul Ryan that he will not seek another term in the Congress is seen as a signal that Republicans could be willing to cede their majority in the House of Representatives while concentrating on keeping control of the U.S. Senate.

I never personally saw the petition being circulated and would not have signed it anyway.

Sometimes the desperation of the Republicans in California is truly amazing.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:55 am 
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won't happen. complete non-starter.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:39 pm 
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The problem is that we don't have equal representation in the United States, because of (a) gerrymandering and (b) the Senate. Vermont has 582,000 people and two Senators. California has 38 MILLION people and... two Senators.

But bird is right. Nothing will happen.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:10 pm 
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To me is akin to when people start talking about "The Big One", where California breaks apart.

"The Big One" is an earthquake strong enough to splinter the State. I've lived in California since 1966 and I have survived at 7-Earthquakes, including Loma-Prieta(October 1989) and so far it ain't happened.

Politically or by geophysics California will not be split.

L.A. and Palm Springs have been with some really nasty shakers as well and California remains in piece.

This petition is going to go down in defeat. Won't happen.

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Duplicate post.

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Glenfs posted about the Left's War On Women. Glenfs posted this after the Cosby Verdict "Gloria Allred is a media hound and an asshole. The most dangerous place to be is inbetween her and a microphone or camera". 04/27/2018.


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The fault isn't moving fast enough to split California, except in geological time. Come back in a few million years and visit the beautiful Los Angeles Island.

These moves to split up the state are just Republican sour grapes.

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The fault isn't moving fast enough to split California, except in geological time. Come back in a few million years and visit the beautiful Los Angeles Island.

These moves to split up the state are just Republican sour grapes.


Republicans have not gotten over Pete Wilson all but destroying the party after his anti-immigration propositions fell on their ass.

The once solid Conservative Latino Vote seems to be disappearing very fast. Then there was Lt. Governor Able Maldonado, his top tier voting plan passed, but both parties hate it.

The once powerful Republican Party can only claim a little over 25% of Registered Voters.

All the California Republicans have left is cheating and their not very good it.

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The fault isn't moving fast enough to split California, except in geological time. Come back in a few million years and visit the beautiful Los Angeles Island.

These moves to split up the state are just Republican sour grapes.


Republicans have not gotten over Pete Wilson all but destroying the party after his anti-immigration propositions fell on their ass.

The once solid Conservative Latino Vote seems to be disappearing very fast. Then there was Lt. Governor Able Maldonado, his top tier voting plan passed, but both parties hate it.

The once powerful Republican Party can only claim a little over 25% of Registered Voters.

All the California Republicans have left is cheating and their not very good it.

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Glenfs posted about the Left's War On Women. Glenfs posted this after the Cosby Verdict "Gloria Allred is a media hound and an asshole. The most dangerous place to be is inbetween her and a microphone or camera". 04/27/2018.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:51 pm 
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I believe it would take a 3/4 vote from all 50 states to create several states out of one state
for there would be no shortage of states clamoring to create more states for what if a deep
red state like Idaho wanted to split into 2 states so that they would have 4 GOP senators to
represent 1.7 Million people.


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The problem is that we don't have equal representation in the United States, because of (a) gerrymandering and (b) the Senate. Vermont has 582,000 people and two Senators. California has 38 MILLION people and... two Senators.

But bird is right. Nothing will happen.


That was the way it our founding fathers meant for it to be, a great idea then and still a great idea today. It is what makes us a representative republic as opposed to being the country so many on the left seem to desire. One where liberals from California and New York dictate to the rest of the country.

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That was the way it our founding fathers meant for it to be, a great idea then and still a great idea today. It is what makes us a representative republic as opposed to being the country so many on the left seem to desire. One where liberals from California and New York dictate to the rest of the country.

Instead, the minority of white-controlled states dictate to the rest of the nation. Just as glen wants it.


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Instead, the minority of white-controlled states dictate to the rest of the nation. Just as glen wants it.


What an ignorant comment. We live in a representative republic, the country the way you and most others here desire would end our country. Because citizens from the 30 states that voted for Trump would have no voice in the Gov't.

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What an ignorant comment. We live in a representative republic, the country the way you and most others here desire would end our country. Because citizens from the 30 states that voted for Trump would have no voice in the Gov't.

Let's remember that the Great Connecticut Compromise of 1787 that set up the Senate and Congress was made so that the slave states kept power and protected slavery from the more populace states.

It was set up for white power, and that continues to this day, and glen champions it.

Glen, explain why a huge state like California, with 163,696 square miles and nearly 40 million people, and a tiny state like Vermont, with less that 10,000 square miles and less than 625,000 people should have the same representation in the Senate.

If you wanted geographical fairness, then the United States would be divided into senatorial districts of nearly the same geographical size, regardless of population, that would have two Senators each. But fairness isn't what you're looking for, and we all know it. You don't like the brown people on the coasts.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:54 pm 
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There is a reason why there is a house of representatives and a senate to reflect the concerns of
Glen and Go but I find this thread interesting for Glen is standing up for the minority when he
regularly supports the party that represents the 1% of the public which controls over 40% of
the wealth in this country.


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Let's remember that the Great Connecticut Compromise of 1787 that set up the Senate and Congress was made so that the slave states kept power and protected slavery from the more populace states.

It was set up for white power, and that continues to this day, and glen champions it.

Glen, explain why a huge state like California, with 163,696 square miles and nearly 40 million people, and a tiny state like Vermont, with less that 10,000 square miles and less than 625,000 people should have the same representation in the Senate.

If you wanted geographical fairness, then the United States would be divided into senatorial districts of nearly the same geographical size, regardless of population, that would have two Senators each. But fairness isn't what you're looking for, and we all know it. You don't like the brown people on the coasts.



Because without that protection we would be the Untied States of California and New York City. Which would lead to the break up of the country. Because those from that state and city would yield enough power to tell the flyover states to sit down and shut up.

What has made our country work is the idea that all of us has a voice overall and an equal vote in the senate. This dovetails back to the EC argument. Take away the voice of the people by giving al the power to one state and people will revolt.

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There is a reason why there is a house of representatives and a senate to reflect the concerns of
Glen and Go but I find this thread interesting for Glen is standing up for the minority when he
regularly supports the party that represents the 1% of the public which controls over 40% of
the wealth in this country.

That's why glen has his stance - it's to keep the rich and the white in power, even if they are in the minority.


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Because without that protection we would be the Untied States of California and New York City. Which would lead to the break up of the country. Because those from that state and city would yield enough power to tell the flyover states to sit down and shut up.

What has made our country work is the idea that all of us has a voice overall and an equal vote in the senate. This dovetails back to the EC argument. Take away the voice of the people by giving al the power to one state and people will revolt.

Once again, you can't explain why California and Vermont must have equal representation. That's like saying your county with a few hundred people in it deserve the same Representation as New York.

It goes back to slavery. Keep the power, right glen?


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There is a reason why there is a house of representatives and a senate to reflect the concerns of
Glen and Go but I find this thread interesting for Glen is standing up for the minority when he
regularly supports the party that represents the 1% of the public which controls over 40% of
the wealth in this country.


That comment is a great example of how the Democratic Party has adopted the GOP's southern strategy. While the GOP made people of color the villain, the Democratic Party has made the successful the villains.

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That comment is a great example of how the Democratic Party has adopted the GOP's southern strategy. While the GOP made people of color the villain, the Democratic Party has made the successful the villains.

No, the Republican Party still owns the racist southern strategy. And you support that strategy by making such stupid and wild accusations without any basis in fact.


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Once again, you can't explain why California and Vermont must have equal representation. That's like saying your county with a few hundred people in it deserve the same Representation as New York.

It goes back to slavery. Keep the power, right glen?



I have explained it twice but, in typical fashion you have chosen to ignore that explanation because it runs contrary to your myopic one party view.

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No, the Republican Party still owns the racist southern strategy. And you support that strategy by making such stupid and wild accusations without any basis in fact.



It is very obvious that the DNC has changed the Southern Strategy into their own. Making the wealthy the hated enemies of the republic.

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I have explained it twice but, in typical fashion you have chosen to ignore that explanation because it runs contrary to your myopic one party view.

No, you haven't. You haven't explained why one group needs to have 100 times the representation of the other. As I said, if you felt that there needed to be a geographic representation, then you would split the US into 50 equal parts geographically, and two Senators for each. Then, you would have Congress with representation by population, as it is (but it wouldn't be gerrymandered like it is).

Instead, you have tiny Vermont, with very little land and population against California with vast land and many large population centers, having the same representation.

It's unfair, and you're on record that unfairness is what you want.


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It is very obvious that the DNC has changed the Southern Strategy into their own. Making the wealthy the hated enemies of the republic.

No, glen, it's not obvious at all.

Some of us aren't with you, we don't believe the rich and the multinational corporations are supposed to rule by divine right, like you do.


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Once again, you can't explain why California and Vermont must have equal representation. That's like saying your county with a few hundred people in it deserve the same Representation as New York.

It goes back to slavery. Keep the power, right glen?



What makes you believe that the people in flyover country would stand by and allow the people from California dictate the political views of our nation to them.

The only thing I can come up with is that you are such a believer in liberalism that you must believe people would love and adopt your views once they experienced living in your utopia of "social justice".

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