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You're aware that your trash website does not cite a source for these supposed ten planks of Marxism, right?

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Its glenfs
Hope you didn't expect something else.

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I have learned that whatever's easy, whatever's lazy, whatever is the first thing scraped off the top of Google, that's all you can expect.

In this case, it's a widely-repeated, copy/pasted load of John Birch Society/Cleon Skousen bunkum off of blathertarian websites, made famous by Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, and other confederate paranoia peddlers.

Like glen, they've never read even one jot or tittle of the actual Communist Manifesto.

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Personally I don’t have a problem with the estate tax provided it is set at a reasonable level. I have been to many seminars on the subject and listened to people on all sides of the issue. At the end of the day what I hear is that most people who have significant exposure to it plan for it and mitigate that exposure by estate planning, life insurance etc. I understand the governments interest in taxing the appreciation on inherited property. It’s consistent with other areas within the tax code and I do not consider it to be double taxation. As long as the rate is reasonable I have no problem with the tax. I personally think a rate similar to the capital gains rate is reasonable.

Sam is correct about a set of unique conditions that exists in much of California, and some of the Northeastern BosNYWash corridor.

The low end of the 9.9 per cent as described above can be pretty low when someone's coping with these urban costs of living. OK, it's still a privileged class, but that's because America is based on a set of assumptions that were only supposed to apply to white educated property-owning able-bodied Protestant males. In the 18th century, that's damn few people. The entire history of this misbegotten excuse for a republic has been about trying to expand the franchise to fit the rhetoric.

The result is that we have a country with a privileged class that spends an inordinate amount of time denying that it is one.

A privileged class is not an aristocracy. Never has been, never will be. A privileged class is people born to a certain set of conditions and a fair amount of family money. An aristocracy is the Lucky Sperm Club, where the right egg got fertilized at the right time, and the result 9 months later is a trainee for the 13th Duke of York, or the 11th Earl of Wherever, and so on and so forth, as ever so carefully enumerated in Burke's Peerage for the rest of the rabble to drool over.

We have an aristocracy too, but it's mostly de facto life peerages, and they bring no title. They're conferred mostly to, of all the weird things, movie actors. Go figure.

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We used to hang our traitors. Now we elect them to lead us.

Opinion.

Congratulations, and Johnny...tell Sam what he's won.

OK Ike...and Sam for you we have a two week paid vacation to International Falls.

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Those ten planks are found in the Communist Manifesto. BTW, they don't appear in that bullet point form or with that exact wording, but ... yeah, it's a relatively accurate summary.

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=93290

That said:

... Adam Smith also argued for a progressive income tax, and we have one in the U.S. Have, since the 16th amendment.
... a lot of European countries have a government operated national/Central Bank. We don't, we're the ones with this weird hybrid, the Federal Reserve.
... public school system in this country goes back to the 19th century. Plus I think we all agree on the abolition of child factory labor.

The U.S. has 2 of these items, some European countries have 3, but I don't think that makes them Communist.

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Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread.

But thank you for showing that your accusations that I am a communist is a fucking lie. The only one of them that I agree with is the last one - free education.

You didn't read the article, did you?

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glenfs, July 4, 2018:

"You would think that after 8 years of hearing allegations against Bill C and another 8 against President Obama you people would have learned that 90% of those types of allegations just aren't true."

its kind of what I was getting at here

http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14808#p408215

where treating someone different or changing conditions but still judging as if all things were equal. the values are not necesarily bad, they are just out of touch with conditions.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3APlQeIAU

...and of course righty trots out the "Free Market Fairy." Laissez Faire free market will magically solve all problems, and do things better. Never stops to wonder why countries who don't believe the in the Free Market Fairy have a better quality of life, with healthier, happier, and overall more prosperous people.

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Socialism! That's that word that your politicians use that it's so nasty. Socialism. Other places just call it sharing. It's a good thing! You just share and give some to the less fortunate. -Fred Eaglesmith

Third paragraph first sentence and no I do not think you are a commie.

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"my choice is for people like you to be deported -Ike Bana 5/13/18

"within weeks of being rid of the likes of you, rid of every fucking one of you,we would begin to see what kind of country this ought to be" Ike Bana 6/14/18

You have certainly called me such, as well as a socialist, which I am not either.

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glenfs, July 4, 2018:

"You would think that after 8 years of hearing allegations against Bill C and another 8 against President Obama you people would have learned that 90% of those types of allegations just aren't true."

Lol these whackodoodle rightwing nutjob sites have been ciruclating that tired old list since the 90s. I would prefer an actual summary from somebody without a whackjob agenda.

Or, ppl can just read it and all of Capital for themselves at archive.org

https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli ... 9/mode/2up

Glen's never read it, and neither have these copy/paste dorks running these crappy websites from like 1997.

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an aristocracy? here? no, really, there is.

no shit, sherlock. not to minimize gou's posting.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders ... 15s61.html

yes, there is an aristocracy. Jefferson and Adams believed that they should be the rulers. Jefferson stated that there is a "natural" aristocracy among men. that is intriguing in and of itself. how does this natural aristocracy reveal itself? in an unrestrained capitalist political economy as practiced by the U.S. since the ascendancy of Ronald of Reagan imperious rex it manifests itself in tired, worn cliches and mythology. bootstraps, rising above, "I built this myself" are among the half-baked notions that populate the agitprop landscape. a closer study of trends by various social scientists, economists, lawyers etc reveals something far different. increasingly it has been shone that crucial determining factor in economic success, claiming through the quintiles as it were, is good luck in choosing one's parents.

for all of the bleated nonsense regarding improvement of the economy, whatever that means, job numbers are surely the worst. types of jobs, wages, who receives the benefits of increased production and what happens to those who have fallen into the gaping chasms, sorry, between the cracks are subjects written about in variously weighted tomes but generally ignored by the kabuki theatre of government. there most certainly is an aristocracy but more importantly there are power wielders. these as Rothkopf wrote are the "superclass". Rothkopf addressed them on the world level but they exist in goodly numbers on the national level particularly in the u.s.

the wielding of power is not done in some crass display of wealth although many do engage in such. rather it is done via agitprop, access and influence. all three methods are critical for the sham democracy to work in the favor of the superclass. I grant that in some instances members of the superclass work at cross-purposes to each other. this is because the superclass is not homogenous. there are members on the left as well as the right. we can see from various actions of congress as well as state legislators which part of the political spectrum is in ascendancy at which time in history.

anyone who thinks that the u.s. is not more class-ridden than England is fooling themselves. the yearning for class and climbing the rungs of the quintiles has been here since its inception.

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bird's theorem-"we the people" are stupid.

"No one is so foolish as to choose war over peace. In peace sons bury their fathers, in war fathers bury their sons." - Herodotus

Semantics, semantics, semantics.......

OK, for those who want to use the term "Aristocracy" to describe America's version of the Lucky Sperm Club... you have my permission. Go for it. I don't care. We have a few Lucky Sperms, but THEY ARE NOT TITULAR. You don't get a title. There's no primogeniture. You get a rich daddy and a prep school and a Get Into Harvard or Yale Card, and a job in DC with an impressive title maintaining the American oligarchy, but that's really a better word for it. It's a hereditary oligarchy.

But, whatever you call it at your house is fine with me.

Glen as usual is fairly full of it on communism. He appears to operate on the popular misconception that anyone left of Bernie Sanders is waving the hammer and sickle, and that there might be some doubts about Bernie too. He forgets the part where the top-down dictatorship is theoretically temporary... the state withers away... or is supposed to. In practice it never does, since states don't wither.

Actually the guy that sounds the most like what communism evolved into - Stalinism - is our POTUS. L'etat c'est moi. Pardon me.

The United States does not eliminate hereditary inheritance. It just taxes it, or at least used to. I can't think of a single American who would want to eliminate it. Not even the commies. Maybe a few ultra-out-there ELF types, but they're so far out there I don't really know what they think, beyond getting rid of cities altogether, and a penchant for living in tree houses.

It's all BS propaganda as consumed by the (unwittingly) media-impaired.

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Agreed that they are not titular. Of course that doesn’t make them any less of a ruling class as you know. Imo, it actually makes them worse. Whereas the lords and ladies allegedly had noblesse oblige the rulers here are in it for money and power over money. Yeah, yeah, Bill Gates and his foundation and all that. Of course there is a dark side to philanthro-capitalism that doesn’t make the mainstream media.

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bird's theorem-"we the people" are stupid.

"No one is so foolish as to choose war over peace. In peace sons bury their fathers, in war fathers bury their sons." - Herodotus

This Wikipedia article I found interesting and may fit this discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

"The political philosopher Sheldon Wolin coined the term inverted totalitarianism in 2003 to describe what he saw as the emerging form of government of the United States. Wolin analysed the United States as increasingly turning into a managed democracy (similar to an illiberal democracy). He uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to draw attention to the totalitarian aspects of the American political system while emphasizing its differences from proper totalitarianism, such as Nazi and Stalinist regimes.[1]"

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"If you think that Mexico is only sending drug dealers and rapists, but also worry that Mexicans are going to take your job... What the f**k do you do for a living?" -Random Twitter post seen

Hookers, porn limit ex-Visteon CEO's $16M payout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eu7LCbWw0M

but still no living wages or job security

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Who are we, ... Americans. Who are the ruling class? Well? If you say America is a democracy, then blame everybody.

What kind of democracy wants this:

From a 2017 Federal Reserve survey, 40% of Americans can not afford a $400 emergency expense without borrowing or selling something they own.

I don't think that it is as simple as saying we get the government we ask for.

We have been talking about this problem for years. Suddenly, it is our own fault?

IMHO, we will never have political justice until we have economic justice. Our economic philosophy is based on an illogical, inefficient, not to mention unjust system. It has become the ELEPHANT in the room that is unacceptable conversation.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_8wdvTjq8

It also contributes to fascism. Which is something, btw, that Dinesh D'Souza doesn't get. Fascism is a nationalistic RW response to conditions. It also is diametrically opposed to the Left.

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bird's theorem-"we the people" are stupid.

"No one is so foolish as to choose war over peace. In peace sons bury their fathers, in war fathers bury their sons." - Herodotus

well creating poverty jobs is actually a drag on the economy instead of using vague numerical descriptions should measure by the value of the pay and benefits, and job security.

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They are so jealous of the vulnerable, of the poor, of the working people, a burning jealousy that they can never be at peace with justice or fairness.

MSU President Engler: Nassar survivor may get kickbacks from lawyers

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