ANY vote for ANY gop makes you an accomplice to Colorado shooting...

[carmenjonze]

Look, I don't agree with you and Lib's thread either. I understand you are both angry and outraged, but this isn't the way.

Easy to say when it’s not your communities that are constantly targeted.

Defending white supremacists only encourages them.

They are lethal - just ask Mike Pence.

[gounion]

Easy to say when it’s not your communities that are constantly targeted.

Defending white supremacists only encourages them.

They are lethal - just ask Mike Pence.

So no reason to attack people that are your allies when they disagree with how far to go. For me, I won't become what I behold with the right. I will NOT stoop to their level. So cuss at me all you want. I have my ethics and principles that I adhere to.

[carmenjonze]

So no reason to attack people that are your allies when they disagree with how far to go.

You haven’t been attacked, you’ve been asked what the point is to defending a white supremacist.

I determine who my allies are.

For me, I won't become what I behold with the right. I will NOT stoop to their level. So cuss at me all you want. I have my ethics and principles that I adhere to.

I haven’t cussed at you at all.

I’ve asked you what is the point if defending a white supremacist.

White supremacists are no one’s allies. They’re not even so-called white people’s allies. It’s why this guy gives you the n-lover treatment.

[gounion]

You haven’t been attacked, you’ve been asked what the point is to defending a white supremacist.

I determine who my allies are.


I haven’t cussed at you at all.

I’ve asked you what is the point if defending a white supremacist.

White supremacists are no one’s allies. They’re not even so-called white people’s allies. It’s why this guy gives you the n-lover treatment.

And I'll make my own decisions, too. I won't be swayed by crap like this thread that's just lashing out in pain.

So, go ahead and judge and reject me as an allie of the LGBTQ+ community. It won't change my mind or my actions.

[carmenjonze]

And I'll make my own decisions, too. I won't be swayed by crap like this thread that's just lashing out in pain.

What has given you the idea anyone is trying to sway you with this thread?

As I said, I determine who my allies are.

A reminder: civil rights has never been gained by accommodating or capitulating to white-conservative violence. Never.

So, go ahead and judge and reject me as an allie of the LGBTQ+ community. It won't change my mind or my actions.

Don’t confuse disagreement with defending a known white supremacist with rejection.

They’re not the same thing, not even close.

[carmenjonze]

Another reminder: this particular type of mass-murderous anti-LGBTQ hate, much like Kanye West’s antisemitism, is a function of this country’s longstanding legalized white supremacy problem.

It’s alive and well and LETHAL.

[gounion]

What has given you the idea anyone is trying to sway you with this thread?

As I said, I determine who my allies are.

A reminder: civil rights has never been gained by accommodating or capitulating to white-conservative violence. Never.



Don’t confuse disagreement with defending a known white supremacist with rejection.

They’re not the same thing, not even close.

You're making demands of everyone. You DEMAND that I agree with you and accuse me of all kinds of bullshit. I'm not buying it. So keep braying all you want, I'm tuning you out on this.

[Glennfs]

Hi Plunderer, nice to see ya.

At this point, it is not a broad brush.

You have people, including on this board, who fervently support the GOP/RNC's extremist anti-LGBTQ laws and boast/gloat about voting for the extremist politicians that implement them.

This not an abstraction for LGBTQ people who are subject to these laws, and whose basic rights such as marriage, inheritance, adoption, employment, housing, etc., are constantly in jeapordy because of these people. They are not abstractions for the people who actually know us, our family members, our peers, and friends.

The actual "broad brush" here is blanket, legalized discrimination laws against entire groups of people. Conservatives are actively trying to re-instate broad-brush discrimination as we speak, and are carrying out the legendary vigialantism, domestic terrorism, and mass-murder to back it up.

Those same people also support LBGT and Trans laws. Just not all or every law

[carmenjonze]

You're making demands of everyone. You DEMAND that I agree with you

agree with me about what? I've made no such demands, nor do I need agreement about mass murder against my various peoples, from anyone.

Asking you what the point is of defending a WS is not a demand.

and accuse me of all kinds of bullshit.

you haven't been accused of anything. You've been asked why you're defensive of a known white supremacist.

I'm not buying it. So keep braying all you want, I'm tuning you out on this.

Tune me out or don't. I don't need anyone's permission to respond to mass-murder by yet another violent colonizer.

[carmenjonze]

Those same people also support LBGT and Trans laws.

If you're speaking about yourself, just say so.

You not only "support" anti-LGBTQ laws, you're defensive of the party that has anti-LGBTQ as a party plank.

Just not all or every law

Your trashy party is the one making the laws. That's because you can't govern, and conflate governing with ruling uber Alles.

Well, you don't rule us, not even with all the mass murder.

You not only support anti-LGBTQ laws, you defend and vote for anti-LGBTQ politicians who stoke not just anti-LGBTQ violence, but anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, antisemitic, and anti-Asian policies and rhetoric. You dirty fascists have been creating these anti-minority white supremacist legal conditions in this country for centuries, and you personally defend it with your dying breath, all while claiming to "support."

Your support is a knee on the neck. Knees on the neck are to be rejected.

We will NEVER back down from violent white supremacists and their footsoldiers, because we NEVER have.

[Libertas]

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status ... _V0HJcBApQ

I wont comment on who I think is responsible for this shit...grrrr

The Colorado shooter’s dad: “I praised him for violent behavior really early. I told him it works... You’ll get immediate results.”

He then went on to praise the Colorado shooter’s grandpa, a MAGA Republican politician named Randy Voepel who supported the January 6 insurrection.

The Colorado shooter’s dad on finding out his son murdered people: “They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

This guy seems so straight out of casting that I thought maybe it was a put on. But it reminds me of Lindsay Graham's comment about if you can be not white but you better be a con or HE and his party will target you for elimination.

[carmenjonze]

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status ... _V0HJcBApQ

I wont comment on who I think is responsible for this shit...grrrr





This guy seems so straight out of casting that I thought maybe it was a put on. But it reminds me of Lindsay Graham's comment about if you can be not white but you better be a con or HE and his party will target you for elimination.

Ohh but this person is NONBINARY, tho!!



See, according to these fascists like Dana Loesch and Matt Walsh and Glennfs, that's supposed to make some kind of difference in them committing a mass-murder hate crime in a queer bar!

[ProfX]

I think his lawyers are just trolling the libs, but even if they weren't, that's the most original defense I think I've seen since the infamous Twinkie defense.

He's still a mass murderer, whether binary, nonbinary, or hexadecimal.

[Glennfs]

Ohh but this person is NONBINARY, tho!!



See, according to these fascists like Dana Loesch and Matt Walsh and Glennfs, that's supposed to make some kind of difference in them committing a mass-murder hate crime in a queer bar!

You are the one who claims that people like you have to protect yourselves against conservatives everytime one of these shootings occur. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds

[gounion]

You are the one who claims that people like you have to protect yourselves against conservatives everytime one of these shootings occur. Does your hypocrisy know no bounds

One of your problems is that you've never been among a targeted minority and you don't know how it feels. So, you pretend to be discriminated against and play the victim.

[Glennfs]

One of your problems is that you've never been among a targeted minority and you don't know how it feels. So, you pretend to be discriminated against and play the victim.

No I was pointing out the stupidity of what was said and has been said here so many times.

[gounion]

No I was pointing out the stupidity of what was said and has been said here so many times.

And we're pointing out the stupidity of the conservative movement that does all it can to hate and attack the LGBTQ+ community.

[Glennfs]

And we're pointing out the stupidity of the conservative movement that does all it can to hate and attack the LGBTQ+ community.

And doing so by making and believing statements like
ANY vote for ANY gop makes you an accomplice to Colorado shooting.
That is what you are defending here so using your standard of you defend it you believe it.
So according to you I am an accomplice in the Colorado shooting which was done by a non-binary person.
I guess I am lucky you don't have the authority to send me to a reeducation camp.
Think about that, because I vote for Republicans I am now an accomplice to murder. That is what you are defending and that is what you haven't said a word against.

[gounion]

And doing so by making and believing statements like
ANY vote for ANY gop makes you an accomplice to Colorado shooting.
That is what you are defending here so using your standard of you defend it you believe it.
So according to you I am an accomplice in the Colorado shooting which was done by a non-binary person.
I guess I am lucky you don't have the authority to send me to a reeducation camp.
Think about that, because I vote for Republicans I am now an accomplice to murder. That is what you are defending and that is what you haven't said a word against.

No, I haven't said that, and I've said I disagree with it. But you don't fucking care, do you? You're doing the same broad brush as you're accusing our side of doing.

Isn't that special?

[Glennfs]

No, I haven't said that, and I've said I disagree with it. But you don't fucking care, do you? You're doing the same broad brush as you're accusing our side of doing.

Isn't that special?

I missed where you said that and stand corrected.
However there are people here and more than one who do believe that. Personally I find a belief such as that as being no different than belief in any of the stereotypes we grew up hearing about various groups.

[gounion]

I missed where you said that and stand corrected.

I have principles I stand on. You should try it some time.

However there are people here and more than one who do believe that. Personally I find a belief such as that as being no different than belief in any of the stereotypes we grew up hearing about various groups.

You are doing the same thing that you are complaining about. I guess it's okay when YOU do it, right?

[Glennfs]

I have principles I stand on. You should try it some time.

You are doing the same thing that you are complaining about. I guess it's okay when YOU do it, right?

I am not aware of any stereotype I believe in.

[gounion]

I am not aware of any stereotype I believe in.

Unaware. That's a great self-description for you.

But go to my Thanksgiving thread, and you can see a stereotype you believe in.

[Glennfs]

Unaware. That's a great self-description for you.

But go to my Thanksgiving thread, and you can see a stereotype you believe in.

Again that was a silly little joke told 1000s of times climb down off the cross

[gounion]

Again that was a silly little joke told 1000s of times climb down off the cross

...and you are OUTRAGED over others broad-brushing you. Take your double standard and climb down off the cross yourself.