Christian Walker is Unloading On his Dad

[carmenjonze]

These conservative white males have some kind of weird victimization fetish.

They will bend over backwards and make all manner of irrational emotional appeals to claim that they are victims of "racism," when they are the perps.

What this tells us about them is their depraved ideas about what actual racism and oppression is. These types of posts from Glennfs and JoeMintJulep are meant to diminish and disrespect what actual victims of racism have endured at their violent community's hands, and they further victimize them by trashing their memories. Much like Glennfs also does with Holocaust imagery.

These conservative whites think they are victims of the Holocaust 1
These conservative whites think they are victims of the Holocaust 2
These conservative whites think they are victims of the Holocaust 3

People on this board lost relatives in the Holocaust. But hey, their memories are fair game when trying to make some ideological point about how victimized he is by a Black person and friends critical of his lifestyle choice.

[carmenjonze]

Conservatives in that sentence is a noun dumbass.

For the dumbest person on this board, here's a grammar lesson.

"Conservative whites" is also a phrase I use. "Conservative" here modifies the word "whites."

But even you know that.

Conservative whites are not victims of this kind of talk on the internet. You are not a victim of racism, you are not a victim of the phrase "conservative whites," you are not a victim of the phrase "white conservatives" or "white conservatism."

You are a perp.

[carmenjonze]

I do not think Lib accused GoU specifically of being a racist - personally I think it's learned behavior, not innate -

Corollary: it can be unlearned.

These are people who do not value self-education or education in general, so that makes it hard for them. :problem:

simply, as he just explained, he exists in a society with institutional racism that he benefits from. As do I.

As for the accusation of CJ hating white people: no, she doesn't. Nor cis people, straight people, nor males. Nor Christians. ... etc.

Lol if I hated any of those folks, I would not spend any time on this board, ever.

These guys are just weirdly and self-loathingly eager to experience the hate their community has dished out to the world for the past 400 years. It's a disturbing form of minstrelsy.

I guess twisting themselves into knots over posts that criticize their ideology is the best they've got. :problem:

[gounion]

Since you don’t run away. Explain why if the argument isn’t about race, the color qualifier is necessary. I took a race relations class 40 years ago in college. That was one of the ways we learned to recognize racism and racial bias was the use of qualifiers based on race. Now you, who claim to care about racism, can’t recognize a racial statement. Or maybe you just chose to ignore it because it’s inconvenient for you to do otherwise.

So how about it. If it’s not about race, why use the racial qualifier. That particular poster does it all the time and not a peep from you or any of the other “enlightened” posters.

Since it's Carmen that makes the statements most often, her rebuttal stands as the explanation.

"Race Relations" - was that a management-level class to show how you make sure the blacks have the low-level jobs and make sure the white ruling class prevails? Is your idea of "Race Relations" being taught an "overseer to serf" relationship? I can see it didn't teach you how to spot racist actions and policies in your favorite party.

Is that why you vote a all-white GOP ticket? Is that why you accept the racism and anti-gay platforms and actions of your party? Is that what's good for "you and your family"?

I mean, your Governor is vehemently anti-gay, and you happily voted for him.

[ProfX]

White supremacism is an ideology, not a race or phenotype.

And as it has been pointed out, you don't even have to be white to subscribe to the ideology.

[JoeMemphis]

Since it's Carmen that makes the statements most often, her rebuttal stands as the explanation.

"Race Relations" - was that a management-level class to show how you make sure the blacks have the low-level jobs and make sure the white ruling class prevails? Is your idea of "Race Relations" being taught an "overseer to serf" relationship? I can see it didn't teach you how to spot racist actions and policies in your favorite party.

Is that why you vote a all-white GOP ticket? Is that why you accept the racism and anti-gay platforms and actions of your party? Is that what's good for "you and your family"?

I mean, your Governor is vehemently anti-gay, and you happily voted for him.

No it was a class for staff people taught by non white staff people. But I get that is your biased uneducated reaction.

I see the man who says he never runs away is in fact running away. Answer the question for yourself. If you can.

[carmenjonze]

Answer the question for yourself.

Ask me the question directly.

[gounion]

No it was a class for staff people taught by non white staff people. But I get that is your biased uneducated reaction.

Why don't you tell us what you learned. Also why you vote for people that use race and white fear of blacks to win elections. Go ahead.

I see the man who says he never runs away is in fact running away. Answer the question for yourself. If you can.

The question has been answered. It's Carmen, after all, that makes the assertion.

[gounion]

Ask me the question directly.

He's scared.

[carmenjonze]

White supremacism is an ideology, not a race or phenotype.

"White supremacy" -- that exact term -- was also the foundation for the ability to immigrate here, work, including paid and unpaid slave labor; own property, and find a place to live, at all. Male supremacy is directly tied to it, in this ideology.

And as it has been pointed out, you don't even have to be white to subscribe to the ideology.

That, and "white" has been a very slippery term over the years.

[carmenjonze]

He's scared.

Well, he's just another off-the-rack white supremacist, and it's showing.

He talks about me like I'm not even here because we are not persons to them, we're not people to them. He does it for another reason, too: out of all the other board members this person claims to have on ignore, there is only one person he pulls this "la la la i cannot hear you neener neener" act with, because he can't compete, just like the rest of these white con males.

That's why they need all this violence and these corrupt white-conservative politicians to enact draconian laws for them.

[JoeMemphis]

Why don't you tell us what you learned. Also why you vote for people that use race and white fear of blacks to win elections. Go ahead.

The question has been answered. It's Carmen, after all, that makes the assertion.

You didn’t answer it. You run away from answering it. Not the first time for you and I’m sure it’s not the last. Gutless to use your words. Gutless.

[gounion]

You didn’t answer it. You run away from answering it. Not the first time for you and I’m sure it’s not the last. Gutless to use your words. Gutless.

No both Carmen and ProfX answered better than I could. I agree with their statements. But you’re not actually interested in a debate are you? You just want to play kid games.

[Number6]

Since you don’t run away. Explain why if the argument isn’t about race, the color qualifier is necessary. I took a race relations class 40 years ago in college. That was one of the ways we learned to recognize racism and racial bias was the use of qualifiers based on race. Now you, who claim to care about racism, can’t recognize a racial statement. Or maybe you just chose to ignore it because it’s inconvenient for you to do otherwise.

So how about it. If it’s not about race, why use the racial qualifier. That particular poster does it all the time and not a peep from you or any of the other “enlightened” posters.

I also took race relations class in the military 40 years ago and back then it was a bare-bones class that barely covered the topic of race relations. I doubt a college race relations course was any more enlightening than the race relations courses the military offered. The difference between the two was college taught the idea without having to implement it in a real world environment whereas the military expected you to implement what you learned in the work environment where you're actually dealing directly with people of different races and culture.

[ProfX]

I teach a course (or have) on race & ethnic relations in the U.S. I'm one of the folks who does it.

Curriculum is a bit different than 4 decades ago. Globalization, intersectionality, multi-racialism .... it's a bit more complicated. (It always was, I just think academic curriculum is catching up to the complexity of reality.) Oh, and resurgent nativism, along with white nationalism, anti-Semitism, etc.

The good news is, thanks to a federal judge, I no longer have to worry about DePutin's Gestapo interfering in the syllabus.

[Number6]

I teach a course (or have) on race & ethnic relations in the U.S. I'm one of the folks who does it.

Curriculum is a bit different than 4 decades ago. Globalization, intersectionality, multi-racialism .... it's a bit more complicated. (It always was, I just think academic curriculum is catching up to the complexity of reality.) Oh, and resurgent nativism, along with white nationalism, anti-Semitism, etc.

I'm glad you mentioned the complexity of reality. Being taught a subject on race relations and then trying to put it into practice is difficult because you have people who will adopt to the ideas taught, people who will reluctantly adapt, and those who will just plain refuse to change. In most cases, you're challenging people's preconceived ideas, biases, and upbringing that are deep-seated. Implementing the concept of race relations into the workplace and society means people are going to have to confront their beliefs and to implement change they'll have to want to change. That's the most difficult part of implementing change; getting people to willingly change.

The good news is, thanks to a federal judge, I no longer have to worry about DePutin's Gestapo interfering in the syllabus.

Good, you won't have to respsond to DeStupid's Gestapo when they ask for your academic "papers" (syllabus).

[carmenjonze]

You didn’t answer it.

The question refers to my language use and I answered your underhanded, dishonest mischaracterizations.

Your mischaraterizations themselves are rooted in white supremacism, as is your avoidant behavior where you talk about me as if I'm not even here.

Gutless to use your words. Gutless.

Interesting that you're calling someone else "gutless" when you don't have the stones to ask me yourself:

If it isn’t about race then there is no reason to qualify the noun.

If it’s not about race, why the qualifier?

If it’s not about race, why use the racial qualifier.

Explain why if the argument isn’t about race, the color qualifier is necessary.

No one around here said "it's about 'race,'" though you keep repeating it over and over.

You're just trying to contort yourselves into victims of so-called racism. :problem:

GoU said it's not"racist" to use the term "white conservatives," or point out that white conservatives have a racism problem. http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 100#p45120

You distort what he said himself to take a cowardly swipe at me from behind a purported "ignore" function. :problem:

White conservatism is most definitely about the destructive racial ideology that you guys depend on to maintain white supreamcism.

[JoeMemphis]

No both Carmen and ProfX answered better than I could. I agree with their statements. But you’re not actually interested in a debate are you? You just want to play kid games.

I asked you. Can you not speak for yourself? Run away little man. It’s you MO.

[gounion]

I asked you. Can you not speak for yourself? Run away little man. It’s you MO.

Oh, I don’t play child games. Grow the fuck up.

[Glennfs]

Yeah, here's the kind of "opinion" we're talking about. Your kinda guy.



And you've got Glenn OUTRAGED that the Dems are picking a BLACK MAN to replace Nancy Pelosi as Dem leader instead of a "white Christian male" which, for some reason, he feels is the only type of human being that is actually qualified to be a leader of any sort.

You keep using the word outraged over and over when there is no outrage on any level.
Not only on this topic but on many others.

So why do you insist on using the wotd outrage

[Glennfs]

I do not think Lib accused GoU specifically of being a racist - personally I think it's learned behavior, not innate - simply, as he just explained, he exists in a society with institutional racism that he benefits from. As do I.

As for the accusation of CJ hating white people: no, she doesn't. Nor cis people, straight people, nor males. Nor Christians. ... etc.

Here is how I came to that conclusion. Since CJ says the same thing about whites as my racist uncle used to say about blacks almost verbatim.
My racist uncle didn't hate all blacks there were some he said were OK. But, he added don't forget at the end of the day they are still black and can turn on you because it is in their nature.
Well, again since CJ and my racist uncle are basically the exact same person the logical conclusion is that CJ has the same oponion about "good whites" as my racist uncle had about "good blacks"

[gounion]

You keep using the word outraged over and over when there is no outrage on any level.
Not only on this topic but on many others.

So why do you insist on using the wotd outrage

Because that’s what you do - manufacture outrage. Ignore the HUGE things your side does, but you take any small thing you can possibly blame on dems, and you manufacture all kinds of outrage over it.

You’re upset because the Dems make a black man their leader, because you’re pissed that any black man anywhere would replace a white man.

[carmenjonze]

CJ says the same thing about whites as my racist uncle used to say about blacks almost verbatim.

I do not say anything about "whites." "Whites" are not the problem.

I do, however, criticize white conservatism. If all so-called whites were white conservatives, that would be one thing.

But you yourself give your own supposed friend the niggerlover treatment on a regular basis. Then you want to cry uncle riley. :roll"

... don't forget at the end of the day they are still black and can turn on you because it is in their nature.

Oh my, look who's crying uncle riley.

You guys do not have a "nature." Like every sentient human being, you have a choice.

You guys famously do not even view us as sentient human beings.

People like you choose white supremacism, you choose white conservatism, you choose white nationalism, and white sovereignty politics when you dont even have to.

When it's pointed out that you do this from your own personal agency, you do as the KKK/Citizens Council did and cry victim.

You're not victims. You are perps because you choose to be perps.

Well, again since CJ and my racist uncle are basically the exact same person the logical conclusion is that CJ has the same oponion about "good whites" as my racist uncle had about "good blacks"

There's no such thing as "good blacks" to conservative whites.

You yourself actually still beileve this has something to do with innate traits based on biology, skin color, etc., yet attribute that to me.

White supremacist belief is a choice. Voting for white supremacism is a choice.

Making laws and policies against every single other minority group in the country is a choice.

[carmenjonze]

You keep using the word outraged over and over when there is no outrage on any level.
Not only on this topic but on many others.

So why do you insist on using the wotd outrage

GoU, this is the niggerlover treatment, js.

[carmenjonze]

You keep using the word outraged over and over when there is no outrage on any level.

Your form of outrage is voting for the most extremist politicians in the country while crying uncleriley here, because there is a Black person critiquing how brutal and vicious your community has been to African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, Latino Americans, all Muslims, all immigrants, and all LGBTQs.

Not to mention 51% of the popluation: all women.

Your form of outrage is crying Hitler and trashing the memories of Holocaust victims when your community is criticized.

You actually believe you're in the Holocaust.