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Glennfs wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:50 pm No unlike liberals I have no problem with Republicans being investigated.
Unlike liberals I do not claim them all innocent before any evidence has been released.
Unlike liberals I do not believe all Republicans have fresh air and sunshine emitting from their backsides.
No you claim that Hunter Biden is guilty, and Joe Biden is guilty of taking money for that influence.
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Cons would be OK with Hitler himself as a sitting House or Senate member. Cons are traitors.
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gounion wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:10 pm No you claim that Hunter Biden is guilty, and Joe Biden is guilty of taking money for that influence.
No I said it is something that should be looked into. Especially considering that there is evidence that Hunter said he had to kick 10pct to the big guy.
Please try and not lie quite so much or so often.
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https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/george-sa ... s-for-his/

Santos seems like he might be mentally ill and should not be in congress.
What would be nice is if democrats really cared about this as much as they pretend to be and would promise to appoint a republican to the seat.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:52 am https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/george-sa ... s-for-his/

Santos seems like he might be mentally ill and should not be in congress.
What would be nice is if democrats really cared about this as much as they pretend to be and would promise to appoint a republican to the seat.
You can’t appoint anyone. New election.
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bird wrote: Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:30 am Primarily because Biden’s lies, while unacceptable, were not the entire story of his life.

Santos’s lies ARE the entire story of his life.

And again while I hate politicians making explanations and rationales for their lies if they apologize that makes it better. It doesn’t make it a lot better but it does fall under the category of apologizing. Santos has apologized for nothing. The Republican Party has not taken him to task.

So, no, it isn’t OK for Biden to lie. It isn’t OK for anyone to lie. But since we are humans and subject to flaw this will happen and continue to happen.

The difference lies here:

Making a gaffe or lying about something are not the same. Intent comes into play. A gaffe is a mistake. At the same time the timing of the lie is important as is the subject. So, we know that humans make mistakes and that they lie. Why, on God’s green earth, would we expect politicians to not commit gaffes or lies? We shouldn’t but being convinced through mythological indoctrination that this is the greatest country ever on record we elevate politicians to a level they should never occupy. Beyond that certain changes in political party policy making combined with accepting a certain segment of the populace as necessary for success has resulted in the Republican Party making claims of moral superiority including tacit grasping of being deemed God’s Party. This is not merely hypocritical as shown by the actions of various Republican politicians/candidates it is also dangerous.

So, the bottom line is this politicians shouldn’t lie but they do. Shame on them. Politicians should not commit gaffes but they do. Oh, well, they are human. Politicians should not completely fabricate who they are. On occasion some do. Santos is a pure unalloyed example of that. So I suggest that you contact your congressperson and request that they vote to either not seat him or expel him. What he did AS A FIRST TIME CANDIDATE, is completely unacceptable.
All humans embellish to one degree or another. Difference being, not all humans out and out lie as consistently as Santo's has. He would be a 4 Pinocchio, liar, liar, pants on fire. Someone like that can't be trusted. Why he would even be seated is beyond me.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:52 am https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/george-sa ... s-for-his/

Santos seems like he might be mentally ill and should not be in congress.
What would be nice is if democrats really cared about this as much as they pretend to be and would promise to appoint a republican to the seat.
Tough.

Your entire party tells sinister lies, and the leader of your party is an even bigger pathological liar than Santos.
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So where’s GOP leadership telling this guy to resign? They don’t care. They just want power.
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gounion wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:17 am You can’t appoint anyone. New election.
I am not aware of the New York state laws. In many states the governor appoints a representative before the special election.
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His other fibs are between him and his voters. Although I think it is a matter for Congressional Ethics at this point. He lost employees in the Pulse nightclub shooting, his Mom on 9/11, his family in the Holocaust ... the whoppers are really juicy at this point.

But, it's lying on your government financial forms that gets you investigated - and possibly prosecuted.
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Drak wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:36 am Tough.

Your entire party tells sinister lies, and the leader of your party is an even bigger pathological liar than Santos.
Joe Biden is the biggest liar ever to hold any office nor named trump.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:42 am Joe Biden is the biggest liar ever to hold any office nor named trump.
Bullshit. Richard Nixon to start.

You don’t have any realistic view at all. But then you’re the one that thought Biden’s wife was the family babysitter, weren’t you?
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bradman wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:27 am All humans embellish to one degree or another. Difference being, not all humans out and out lie as consistently as Santo's has. He would be a 4 Pinocchio, liar, liar, pants on fire. Someone like that can't be trusted. Why he would even be seated is beyond me.
Tell me where you or I draw the line? What is the acceptable degree of lying? I’m happy to live with whatever standard is set. But absent that all we have is one party complaining about the lies of the other while ignoring or minimizing the bad behavior in the party they support. Ethics and standards shouldn’t change based on party affiliation. Double standards are not standards at all. It hypocrisy. Not false equivalency but hypocrisy.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:42 am Joe Biden is the biggest liar ever to hold any office nor named trump.
No he’s not. At all. What an idiot you are. Your entire party lies and attempts to cover up sedition.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:44 am Tell me where you or I draw the line? What is the acceptable degree of lying? I’m happy to live with whatever standard is set. But absent that all we have is one party complaining about the lies of the other while ignoring or minimizing the bad behavior in the party they support. Ethics and standards shouldn’t change based on party affiliation. Double standards are not standards at all. It hypocrisy. Not false equivalency but hypocrisy.
Yes thanks for your admission for your hypocrisy.
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gounion wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:50 am Yes thanks for your admission for your hypocrisy.
Again a failure on your part to read and comprehend.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:53 am Again a failure on your part to read and comprehend.
Your problem is comprehension of the facts. Now are you saying every elected official that lies about anything should be removed from office?
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gounion wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:54 am Your problem is comprehension of the facts. Now are you saying every elected official that lies about anything should be removed from office?
Point to that post.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:56 am Point to that post.
I was asking you a question about this post.
JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:44 am Tell me where you or I draw the line? What is the acceptable degree of lying? I’m happy to live with whatever standard is set. But absent that all we have is one party complaining about the lies of the other while ignoring or minimizing the bad behavior in the party they support. Ethics and standards shouldn’t change based on party affiliation. Double standards are not standards at all. It hypocrisy. Not false equivalency but hypocrisy.
What would YOU do?
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gounion wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:00 am I was asking you a question about this post.



What would YOU do?
Bullshit. You put words in my mouth.

If you want to have a discussion about ethical standards and telling the truth, you don’t start with a lie that is so easily disproved.

To have such a discussion with a serial liar like you is a total waste of time.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:07 am Bullshit. You put words in my mouth.

If you want to have a discussion about ethical standards and telling the truth, you don’t start with a lie that is so easily disproved.

To have such a discussion with a serial liar like you is a total waste of time.
It wasn’t a lie it was a question. It was a starting point. Because we can use your answer in relation to your Governor And both your Senators, who are all big-time liars.
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gounion wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:10 am It wasn’t a lie it was a question. It was a starting point. Because we can use your answer in relation to your Governor And both your Senators, who are all big-time liars.
That’s the pot calling the kettle black. I was raising a point with Brad. You jumped in to call me a hypocrit and then imply a position for me that I did not advocate. You are not capable of an honest discussion. You have a history of distortion and misrepresentation that goes back for years. So don’t pretend you were somehow striving for an honest discussion about ethics and honesty. You aren’t capable or qualified to speak to either.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:22 am That’s the pot calling the kettle black. I was raising a point with Brad. You jumped in to call me a hypocrit and then imply a position for me that I did not advocate. You are not capable of an honest discussion. You have a history of distortion and misrepresentation that goes back for years. So don’t pretend you were somehow striving for an honest discussion about ethics and honesty. You aren’t capable or qualified to speak to either.
No I asked a question - one that obviously you are running away from.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:44 am Tell me where you or I draw the line? What is the acceptable degree of lying? I’m happy to live with whatever standard is set. But absent that all we have is one party complaining about the lies of the other while ignoring or minimizing the bad behavior in the party they support. Ethics and standards shouldn’t change based on party affiliation. Double standards are not standards at all. It hypocrisy. Not false equivalency but hypocrisy.
Seems to me you are looking for perfection in an imperfect world.

Me, no matter the party, i don't have much of a problem with people that occasionally bullshit/embellish.

i would say the line to be crossed is the difference between a embellishment and a lie. The first is a story made more interesting by enhancing statements. (not saying it's right, just saying it is. We all do it.) And then ya have the lie. It's used to out and out deceive. Santos stepped way over that line.
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