fake Congressman George Santos

[bird]

His other fibs are between him and his voters. Although I think it is a matter for Congressional Ethics at this point. He lost employees in the Pulse nightclub shooting, his Mom on 9/11, his family in the Holocaust ... the whoppers are really juicy at this point.

But, it's lying on your government financial forms that gets you investigated - and possibly prosecuted.

And here’s hoping that happens.

[JoeMemphis]

Seems to me you are looking for perfection in an imperfect world.

Me, no matter the party, i don't have much of a problem with people that occasionally bullshit/embellish.

i would say the line to be crossed is the difference between a embellishment and a lie. The first is a story made more interesting by enhancing statements. (not saying it's right, just saying it is. We all do it.) And then ya have the lie. It's used to out and out deceive. Santos stepped way over that line.

I’m not looking for perfection. Progress would be nice.

One man’s embellishment is another man’s lie. Once again, how do you know the difference. We have in this thread examples of false statements of democrats minimized by some members called false equivalencies. A common vague excuse for ignoring an obvious false statement.

As a CPA, I am not allowed to embellish. I could lose my license and ability to make a living. Embellishment isn’t allowed. Where we get in trouble in my opinion is that now we expect our elected officials to lie/embellish. A certain amount of that is now tolerated.

Maybe we should start with what is normally considered fraud in the real world. If you knowingly make a false and misleading statement to persuade or induce someone to do something they would not ordinarily do otherwise, then that’s fraud. So if you knowingly misrepresent your qualifications, that crosses the line.

I would say the same when it comes to policy. Don’t sell shit to the public without all the facts using reasonable projections. Don’t call something a mandate when you KNOW it’s a tax. Don’t claim things don’t cost money when you KNOW they do. It amazes me that people will say things to sell policy when if the tables were turned they would feel they had been lied to. I can’t make such statements as a CPA. That is false and misleading. It’s unprofessional and unethical. I don’t get to embellish because I know that that’s an impossible standard. Somebody will perceive such embellishment as a lie. When you know people rely on what you say to make decisions, there isn’t much difference between and embellishment and a lie.

[Libertas]

Lying about absolutely EVERYTHING is now a prerequisite to be a GOP politician.

[gounion]

I’m not looking for perfection. Progress would be nice.

One man’s embellishment is another man’s lie. Once again, how do you know the difference. We have in this thread examples of false statements of democrats minimized by some members called false equivalencies. A common vague excuse for ignoring an obvious false statement.

You should understand the difference between what Joe Biden does as a politician, and what George Santos did. But then, since Santos is a Republican and Biden a Democrat, you have to defend Santos and attack Biden as if Biden is a lot worse.

As a CPA, I am not allowed to embellish. I could lose my license and ability to make a living. Embellishment isn’t allowed. Where we get in trouble in my opinion is that now we expect our elected officials to lie/embellish. A certain amount of that is now tolerated.

It would probably help if you understood the difference between opinion and fact, which you've proven that you don't.

Politicians have always lied. It comes with the territory, which is why I've never considered running for office.

But you guys have people like Donald Trump, and Senators like Marco Rubio and Rick Scott, who are liars through and through.

And you voted for Marco Rubio and will vote for Rick Scott.

Maybe we should start with what is normally considered fraud in the real world. If you knowingly make a false and misleading statement to persuade or induce someone to do something they would not ordinarily do otherwise, then that’s fraud. So if you knowingly misrepresent your qualifications, that crosses the line.

So anyone who misrepresents their resume to any degree should be removed from office. Got it.

I would say the same when it comes to policy. Don’t sell shit to the public without all the facts using reasonable projections. Don’t call something a mandate when you KNOW it’s a tax. Don’t claim things don’t cost money when you KNOW they do. It amazes me that people will say things to sell policy when if the tables were turned they would feel they had been lied to. I can’t make such statements as a CPA. That is false and misleading. It’s unprofessional and unethical. I don’t get to embellish because I know that that’s an impossible standard. Somebody will perceive such embellishment as a lie. When you know people rely on what you say to make decisions, there isn’t much difference between and embellishment and a lie.

Okay, what about all the Republicans who say we have an open border? That's demonstrably false.

[Drak]

Like I said earlier, all this stuff attempting to equate Biden to Santos is the latest RW op. It's how they role. And both Joe and Glenn are parroting it.

[Glennfs]

Like I said earlier, all this stuff attempting to equate Biden to Santos is the latest RW op. It's how they role. And both Joe and Glenn are parroting it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l ... =joe-biden

Biden is just as bad look at the link if you have the stones

[gounion]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l ... =joe-biden

Biden is just as bad look at the link if you have the stones

No he’s not. That’s just false, but hey, I knew you would defend this jerk. I mean, he lies and says his mom was in 9/11, that his grandparents escaped from the Holocaust, and just made up his entire background from whole cloth. I knew you’d defend him.

And Biden’s scorecard isn’t that bad, you just showed the false ones. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

Better than most Republicans.

[gounion]

BTW, Glenn, you and JoeM are the ones saying that under Biden we have open borders, and that’s just false.

So you don’t give a shit for facts.

https://www.wral.com/fact-check-did-bid ... /20602396/

[JoeMemphis]

You should understand the difference between what Joe Biden does as a politician, and what George Santos did. But then, since Santos is a Republican and Biden a Democrat, you have to defend Santos and attack Biden as if Biden is a lot worse.

It would probably help if you understood the difference between opinion and fact, which you've proven that you don't.

Politicians have always lied. It comes with the territory, which is why I've never considered running for office.

But you guys have people like Donald Trump, and Senators like Marco Rubio and Rick Scott, who are liars through and through.

And you voted for Marco Rubio and will vote for Rick Scott.

So anyone who misrepresents their resume to any degree should be removed from office. Got it.

Okay, what about all the Republicans who say we have an open border? That's demonstrably false.

Here’s a perfect example. I never said anyone who misrepresents their resume to any degree should be removed from office. But the liar in chief on this board twists the words otherwise. So if you want to have a discussion about ethics and standards, get some. Don’t start off putting words in my mouth. You are big on asking questions and short on answering them. If you have a standard on truth in politics that isn’t biased and partisan and are prepared to live by that standard, then put it out there for discussion. Why not do that rather than twist the words of another. But that would be ethical and honest and beyond your abilities.

The lie at the border is told by the fool who says it’s closed and secure.

[gounion]

Here’s a perfect example. I never said anyone who misrepresents their resume to any degree should be removed from office. But the liar in chief on this board twists the words otherwise. So if you want to have a discussion about ethics and standards, get some. Don’t start off putting words in my mouth. You are big on asking questions and short on answering them. If you have a standard on truth in politics that isn’t biased and partisan and are prepared to live by that standard, then put it out there for discussion. Why not do that rather than twist the words of another. But that would be ethical and honest and beyond your abilities.

The lie at the border is told by the fool who says it’s closed and secure.

Saying the border is open is a lie. Proven.

No matter what your “opinion” is. That’s your problem, if you dream something, and call it your “opinion”, you think that means it’s real.

[JoeMemphis]

Saying the border is open is a lie. Proven.

No matter what your “opinion” is. That’s your problem, if you dream something, and call it your “opinion”, you think that means it’s real.

I didn’t make that statement. But the border sure isn’t closed or secure either. That is just as much of a lie if not more.

[gounion]

I didn’t make that statement. But the border sure isn’t closed or secure either. That is just as much of a lie if not more.

Yes, you did: http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 914#p44914

I don’t consider an open border reasonable or professional.

[Libertas]

Lemme guess, cons are defending this pile of shit




https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/ ... ynBaKyJVEQ



It's called projection

[Glennfs]

Saying the border is open is a lie. Proven.

No matter what your “opinion” is. That’s your problem, if you dream something, and call it your “opinion”, you think that means it’s real.

Of course you know when a person says open borders they are speaking figuratively not literally. But, of course as a liberal you have to pretend you can't comprehend the difference. BTW 2.76 million might be considered open in some circles.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... -rcna53517

Just another Biden failure

[JoeMemphis]

Yes, you did: http://radiofreeliberal.com/viewtopic.p ... 914#p44914

So you consider an open border reasonable or professional? Call that situation down there whatever you choose GoU. But it isn’t closed and it isn’t secured and it isn’t under control. The situation was manageable prior to Biden. It has done nothing but deteriorate since he took office. So you can buy into whatever your minders tell you to believe but the border is most certainly neither closed or secure or under control. You can think for yourself or you can be a sheep. Your choice.

[gounion]

So you consider an open border reasonable or professional? Call that situation down there whatever you choose GoU. But it isn’t closed and it isn’t secured and it isn’t under control. The situation was manageable prior to Biden. It has done nothing but deteriorate since he took office. So you can buy into whatever your minders tell you to believe but the border is most certainly neither closed or secure or under control. You can think for yourself or you can be a sheep. Your choice.

As I showed, it isn't open. And you said it was. And it hasn't deteriorated.

But idiots like your elected officials scream around the world that the border is open, bringing more and more people to it, for which you blame Biden.

So you lied again, and I caught you at it with your own words. Before you say "You lied, I never said that" you might want to do a quick search.

You guys are the only sheep, Trump says it and you believe it.

So, you're hot on making your Governor President. A man who takes your state tax money, goes to Texas, finds families that are here LEGALLY seeking Asylum and flies them to Washington DC to use them as pawns. Now, using Florida state tax money for such purposes is obviously illegal.

Do you think THAT is reasonable or professional?

Remember your own words, "reasonable and professional". You'll be getting them thrown in your face quite a big as your elected officials do stupid-ass shit running the House of Representatives starting Tuesday.

[bird]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l ... =joe-biden

Biden is just as bad look at the link if you have the stones

I did, asshole. And it is nothing on what Santos did. Santos ENTIRE LIFE STORY as put forth during his campaign is a fabrication.

[JoeMemphis]

As I showed, it isn't open. And you said it was. And it hasn't deteriorated.

But idiots like your elected officials scream around the world that the border is open, bringing more and more people to it, for which you blame Biden.

So you lied again, and I caught you at it with your own words. Before you say "You lied, I never said that" you might want to do a quick search.

You guys are the only sheep, Trump says it and you believe it.

So, you're hot on making your Governor President. A man who takes your state tax money, goes to Texas, finds families that are here LEGALLY seeking Asylum and flies them to Washington DC to use them as pawns. Now, using Florida state tax money for such purposes is obviously illegal.

Do you think THAT is reasonable or professional?

Remember your own words, "reasonable and professional". You'll be getting them thrown in your face quite a big as your elected officials do stupid-ass shit running the House of Representatives starting Tuesday.

So if the border is closed as you suggest, how could anything done by elected officials here make that more of a problem. You say it isn’t deteriorating and then you blame the opposition for making the problem worse.

But if you think allowing millions of people into this country not knowing who they are or why they are here, Releasing them into this country with a note to show up for a hearing sometime in the distant future with the knowledge that we don’t have the resources to deport them if their asylum claims are denied assuming of course they even show up. If you think that is reasonable, professional, or competent, then your standards are quite low to non existent.

We have governors, mayors, and other public servants all over the country, some democrats, complaining that they don’t have the resources to deal with this problem. And this President and his “border czarist” ignore the problem and tell you not to believe what everyone can easily witness at the border. And you, like a good sheep, believe the shit you are being fed.

This thread is about lying. And you can’t tell when you are being lied to. Maybe that’s because you practice lying all the time and you can’t tell the difference anymore.

[gounion]

I haven’t said the border is closed. Wait a minute - if you complain about people lying about what you say - why are you doing it? Tell you what - you said to show me where you said Biden had opened the border. So, show me where I said it was closed.

Again, every time there is a Dem who is President, you guys say the border is open so everyone can come here. Then you blame it on the Dem.

And I noticed you wouldn’t respond to your Governor’s illegal actions. You don’t mind that.

I guess you’re still pissed that we didn’t let Trump build his “big, beautiful wall” that wouldn’t have done a damned thing.

[Glennfs]

I did, asshole. And it is nothing on what Santos did. Santos ENTIRE LIFE STORY as put forth during his campaign is a fabrication.

Just like Joe Biden's entire career.
BTW did he claim to be native American for personal gain?
Dud he claim to have been a Vietnam veteran ?
Dud he have sex with that woman?

[Drak]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l ... =joe-biden

Biden is just as bad look at the link if you have the stones

Man you’re sad and desperate to derail this thread and attempt to create a liberal equivalence to Donald Trump, which was predictable and something you started doing the moment Biden stepped into office. I called it in 2021.

Did you actually read through that list? There are context and historical inaccuracies in most of them that wouldn’t be considered lying and certainly not on par with Santos. And certainly not on par with attempting to overthrow an election and claiming the 2020 election was rigged. But you are dishonest as hell.

Meanwhile, you vote for malicious, sinister liars who attempted to overthrow the government and are lead by a guy with a lie sheet miles long.

[bird]

So if the border is closed as you suggest, how could anything done by elected officials here make that more of a problem. You say it isn’t deteriorating and then you blame the opposition for making the problem worse.

But if you think allowing millions of people into this country not knowing who they are or why they are here, Releasing them into this country with a note to show up for a hearing sometime in the distant future with the knowledge that we don’t have the resources to deport them if their asylum claims are denied assuming of course they even show up. If you think that is reasonable, professional, or competent, then your standards are quite low to non existent.

We have governors, mayors, and other public servants all over the country, some democrats, complaining that they don’t have the resources to deal with this problem. And this President and his “border czarist” ignore the problem and tell you not to believe what everyone can easily witness at the border. And you, like a good sheep, believe the shit you are being fed.

This thread is about lying. And you can’t tell when you are being lied to. Maybe that’s because you practice lying all the time and you can’t tell the difference anymore.

No, the thread is NOT about lying. It is about George Santos lying. But let’s mush on.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/11308413 ... rehensions

Border apprehensions indicate that the enforcement group(s) tasked with preventing people from crossing the Southern border, getting into the country AND STAYING illegally are, in fact, doing their job.

“Secure the border” or “Our border is not secure” is bullshit meme useful only for political gain by RW shithead Republicans who fail to include the apprehension of 1.7 MILLION people. It is also conveniently useful for shithead Republicans because the people trying to cross and getting caught are brown people. Let us not even mention the vile actions of Abbot and DeathSantis.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... opulation/

Shall deport all immigrants who are here illegally? Including all white immigrants? What will happen to the economies in various states including states controlled by Republicans when that happens? How many migrants are involved in stoop labor harvesting crops? How will food prices be impacted? Shall we force “Real ‘Muricans” and/or their children to go out and harvest crops?

[bird]

Just like Joe Biden's entire career.
BTW did he claim to be native American for personal gain?
Dud he claim to have been a Vietnam veteran ?
Dud he have sex with that woman?

Did he trade weapons for hostages which was AGAINST THE LAW?

[JoeMemphis]

No, the thread is NOT about lying. It is about George Santos lying. But let’s mush on.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/24/11308413 ... rehensions

Border apprehensions indicate that the enforcement group(s) tasked with preventing people from crossing the Southern border, getting into the country AND STAYING illegally are, in fact, doing their job.

“Secure the border” or “Our border is not secure” is bullshit meme useful only for political gain by RW shithead Republicans who fail to include the apprehension of 1.7 MILLION people. It is also conveniently useful for shithead Republicans because the people trying to cross and getting caught are brown people. Let us not even mention the vile actions of Abbot and DeathSantis.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... opulation/

Shall deport all immigrants who are here illegally? Including all white immigrants? What will happen to the economies in various states including states controlled by Republicans when that happens? How many migrants are involved in stoop labor harvesting crops? How will food prices be impacted? Shall we force “Real ‘Muricans” and/or their children to go out and harvest crops?

If and when these asylum claims are finally heard, what do we do with those migrants whose claims are denied? What’s the plan Bird.

I actually read this section of Bidens Build Back Better campaign plan. What was obviously lacking in that document was anything regarding enforcement. So yeah, folks are trying to do their job. There are apprehensions and then as I said, we are turning these folks loose in this country with little to no idea who they really are and little to no idea how they are going to support themselves. But yeah, that’s a good plan. That’s reasonable and smart.

What’s amusing to me is how much folks who favor this policy or lack thereof, bitch when just a fraction of these people show up in their community. They talk the talk and then bitch and moan when they have to deal with just a small fraction of the problem border states deal with everyday.

[gounion]

If and when these asylum claims are finally heard, what do we do with those migrants whose claims are denied? What’s the plan Bird.

I actually read this section of Bidens Build Back Better campaign plan. What was obviously lacking in that document was anything regarding enforcement. So yeah, folks are trying to do their job. There are apprehensions and then as I said, we are turning these folks loose in this country with little to no idea who they really are and little to no idea how they are going to support themselves. But yeah, that’s a good plan. That’s reasonable and smart.

What’s amusing to me is how much folks who favor this policy or lack thereof, bitch when just a fraction of these people show up in their community. They talk the talk and then bitch and moan when they have to deal with just a small fraction of the problem border states deal with everyday.

You haven’t lived in a border state. I have. I’ve BEEN on the border. All you know is what Trump feeds you.