Getting my rights violated

[Glennfs]

I don't recall saying that, but then, I'm against children starving, so I may have.

Again, you knew the rules when you took the job. Anything else is playing the victim.

So you are for drug testing welfare recipients.

[gounion]

So you are for drug testing welfare recipients.

Only if you're for drug testing lawmakers.

Are you for letting children starve?

[Glennfs]

Only if you're for drug testing lawmakers.

Are you for letting children starve?

If a parent on welfare with children can afford drugs they can afford food.

If a parent on welfare with children tests positive knowing they are going to lose the welfare they are for letting their children starve

Finally nice strawman article and are you for letting truck drivers children starve

[gounion]

If a parent on welfare with children can afford drugs they can afford food.

If a parent on welfare with children tests positive knowing they are going to lose the welfare they are for letting their children starve

Finally nice strawman article and are you for letting truck drivers children starve

Look, are YOU for drug testing or not? Looks like you think YOU'RE too good for it, but you demand to test welfare recipients?

And it is certainly possible for someone to have been given a hit of pot without paying for it.

[Glennfs]

Look, are YOU for drug testing or not? Looks like you think YOU'RE too good for it, but you demand to test welfare recipients?

And it is certainly possible for someone to have been given a hit of pot without paying for it.

One standard for everyone.
Drug test for pre employment
Drug test for cause
Or
No Drug testing

[gounion]

One standard for everyone.
Drug test for pre employment
Drug test for cause
Or
No Drug testing

Except for welfare people, right? Drug test them bastards right?

[Glennfs]

Except for welfare people, right? Drug test them bastards right?

Drug test when they apply if you have money for drugs you don't need welfare

[gounion]

Drug test when they apply if you have money for drugs you don't need welfare

You don’t have to buy anything to get high. Hell, I did several times when I didn’t spend a dime, back in the day.

But let me be clear: We need to make pot legal across the country. Then we need to make drug testing for employment illegal. The ONLY reason to drug test would be for cause after an accident or being stopped. Got it?

Or for welfare recipients.

[Glennfs]

You don’t have to buy anything to get high. Hell, I did several times when I didn’t spend a dime, back in the day.

But let me be clear: We need to make pot legal across the country. Then we need to make drug testing for employment illegal. The ONLY reason to drug test would be for cause after an accident or being stopped. Got it?

Or for welfare recipients.

I have no problem with pre-employment testing. However the pot issue is a problem. There needs to be a test ti determine if you are high or just happen to spark up recently

I wouldn't start using pit today if it were legal. However the reason I quit smoking in January of 88 was because I decided I was sick of working bullshit jobs and the only way to get a decent job was to be able to pass a drug test.

There is absolutely no reason to drug test me. I often wonder if companies test people like me because they know I will pass. It wouldn't look good if they tested a bunch of people who didn't pass

[gounion]

I have no problem with pre-employment testing. However the pot issue is a problem. There needs to be a test ti determine if you are high or just happen to spark up recently

I wouldn't start using pit today if it were legal. However the reason I quit smoking in January of 88 was because I decided I was sick of working bullshit jobs and the only way to get a decent job was to be able to pass a drug test.

There is absolutely no reason to drug test me. I often wonder if companies test people like me because they know I will pass. It wouldn't look good if they tested a bunch of people who didn't pass

There’s no reason for it to be illegal. The whole pot war - and even prohibition - has it’s roots in racist hysteria. It needs to be done away with.

And as for your accusation of number of people passing - I’m quite sure they don’t publicly release how many people don’t pass their drug test.

[ProfX]

Drug testing welfare recipients is un-Constitutional. ACLU will fight you on it.

It is not probable cause to suspect you of using drugs because you are on welfare. Goes against the 4th amendment.

[ZoWie]

You know the Constitution only matters if you're white and also can afford lawyers.

[bradman]

Drug test when they apply if you have money for drugs you don't need welfare

Hell ya. And if the kids want to eat a school lunch they can help the janitor sweep floors first.

[Number6]

As a trucker I can legally get shit faced drunk every day. Smoke a joint once a month and I lose my career.
As for your wise ass response about filing a lawsuit. Why are you being such an asshole.

You're playing the VICTIM CARD when you're not a victim. You are not a victim. Why do you feel you are a victim?

As for filing a lawsuit, if you feel so strongly about your rights being violated then you can redress the issue by filing a lawsuit. That's the American Way isn't it or are you going to add filing a lawsuit to your hating our American military to your list of things wrong with this country.

[Number6]

Coming from someone who is opposed to people on welfare being tested

DEFLECTION ALERT! glenn can't keep on the topic of what he discussed because his argument is bogus to begin with so he has to bring something unrelated to take the heat off him.

[gounion]

You're playing the VICTIM CARD when you're not a victim. You are not a victim. Why do you feel you are a victim?

As for filing a lawsuit, if you feel so strongly about your rights being violated then you can redress the issue by filing a lawsuit. That's the American Way isn't it or are you going to add filing a lawsuit to your hating our American military to your list of things wrong with this country.

Right wing hero Donald Trump does it all the time!

[bradman]

Any time i run across something Churchill i stop and read. There was one a while back that caught my attention. It was about his drinking habits. One line really caught my attention. The author called Churchill a "functioning alcoholic".

As a foreman i watched "functioning" laborers get caught up in randoms when they should not have been. As a foreman i once used a random to get rid of a guy.

The first were mainly kids. They showed up early, bright eyed bushy tailed and never under the influence. That's all that mattered to me. They worked their ass off all week and had fun on the weekend. i got that. At the time, according to the rules, i could not inform them that they were being called in for a random. i could see the reasoning. By the time they left the job site, to the time they drove to the office to pick up the paper work, to the time they arrived at the testing clinic, could be upwards of 2 hours. If you new what was coming, and knew what you were doing, it was plenty of time to mask the random. Not cool. It created a whole industry for the people who could not control their fun. They really became very good at masking their drug screens. Which was a whole different problem. anyway.........
It bothered me so that some of the kids were being caught up in something they didn't deserve that i started pushing the rules for the kids that were practicing moderation. So when the office called and asked me to send them in for a random i would send them off with a serious suggest or two. Don't deny the the truth, and readily accept any help they "offer". They have to. i'll see ya tomorrow.

[bradman]

You don’t have to buy anything to get high. Hell, I did several times when I didn’t spend a dime, back in the day.

But let me be clear: We need to make pot legal across the country. Then we need to make drug testing for employment illegal. The ONLY reason to drug test would be for cause after an accident or being stopped. Got it?

Or for welfare recipients.

[bold]i've never been able to defend that one very well.

They always crush me with that thing about horses and barn doors.

[gounion]

[bold]i've never been able to defend that one very well.

They always crush me with that thing about horses and barn doors.

Let’s discuss. How so?

[Number6]

Notice how fast the phony victim, glenn, ran away from his own thread.

[bradman]

Let’s discuss. How so?

As a owner of one of the companies i worked for put it..

It's not so much the feds that are pushing drug screens, it's the insurance companies. They go by stats and the stats say accidents and mishaps drop in number when drug screens are given to all employees on a regular basis. The object is to stop the accident before it happens. Testing only after an accident is like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. For his effort he received lower premiums and a better safety record.

But to point out how some get caught up in something that doesn't effect their work performance was about all i could come up with at the time.....

[gounion]

As a owner of one of the companies i worked for put it..

It's not so much the feds that are pushing drug screens, it's the insurance companies. They go by stats and the stats say accidents and mishaps drop in number when drug screens are given to all employees on a regular basis. The object is to stop the accident before it happens. Testing only after an accident is like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted. For his effort he received lower premiums and a better safety record.

But to point out how some get caught up in something that doesn't effect their work performance was about all i could come up with at the time.....

Yeah, I dunno...
Now, Brad, this is my opinion, not arguing with you. I respect your opinion, and you were in the building trades, which I would conjecture is a more dangerous workplace than a manufacturing plant.

I was involved in the union/company partnership safety program back in the nineties for a couple of years, and was involved, among other things, in accident investigations, along with a couple of great safety engineers. In my experience, we found most accidents weren't behavior based, but rather system based.

For instance, we had rules that if you went up in a lift, you had to have safety harnesses on. But the guys going up didn't like them, so they rarely wore them. Inf a supervisor came by and they weren't wearing them, they didn't say anything. We had a big meeting a training, and if a supervisor saw someone not wearing them, they had to call them out and make them wear them. Once they figured out they weren't going to get away with it, they wore them.

The way to make a workplace safer was to have a safety-based mindset, which the supervision was bound to enforce.

Before the partnership, the company was GREAT about writing all kinds of procedures, which no one paid attention to. Then, when there was an accident, they would just blame the worker.

I got lots of training in safety, plus I worked with degreed engineers.

But once everyone was paying attention to the safety procedures, our accident rate went way down. And a lot of it was engineering, and it cost the company money - but it paid for itself in reduced accidents.

For instance, know how your home garage door has sensors that prevents the door from crushing someone? Well, industrial doors don't. (Now, I've been out of the shop for over 20 years, so this could have changed) You would push a button, and it would go down, no matter what it hit. A guy at Boeing back in the eighties died when he was crushed when a scooter stalled under a door.

So we went through and re-wired all the doors so you had to keep pushing the button or the door would stop. No more automatic.

So I'm unimpressed with such stats. Plus, we didn't test at all under the union contract in any but the most extreme circumstances.

Hell, I could discuss this stuff all day - I was fascinated by it. I'm proud that I left my workplace a better - and happier - place than I found it. When I started in 1979, they didn't consider you a toolmaker if you had all ten fingers. Plus, we got better chairs, equipment, PPE, and people liked the workplace better. No one WANTS to leave a piece of them at work. Now, my dad, working a brake press in the plants, lost SEVERAL fingers in his day. I never wanted that, and I still have all ten. We also found that in most cases, a safe procedure was often more productive, too.

[Glennfs]

Notice how fast the phony victim, glenn, ran away from his own thread.

Notice how phony victim Glenn has a life away from discussing politics.
I am currently building a chicken pen/ coop while taking a month off.
I am also lining up my next job/career for next year.
I also towed rwo cars yesterday.
I also grilled steaks yesterday which ate going to be fajitas today.
I am also getting ready to go to a 3 day supper bowl party
I also played gin and poker this week
So yes you are correct I did run away from here because I have a lot on my plate

[gounion]

Notice how phony victim Glenn has a life away from discussing politics.
I am currently building a chicken pen/ coop while taking a month off.
I am also lining up my next job/career for next year.
I also towed rwo cars yesterday.
I also grilled steaks yesterday which ate going to be fajitas today.
I am also getting ready to go to a 3 day supper bowl party
I also played gin and poker this week
So yes you are correct I did run away from here because I have a lot on my plate

Those are all lies right?

[Number6]

Notice how phony victim Glenn has a life away from discussing politics.
I am currently building a chicken pen/ coop while taking a month off.
I am also lining up my next job/career for next year.
I also towed rwo cars yesterday.
I also grilled steaks yesterday which ate going to be fajitas today.
I am also getting ready to go to a 3 day supper bowl party
I also played gin and poker this week
So yes you are correct I did run away from here because I have a lot on my plate

Big deal. We're all busy but you have still have time to play the victim.

BTW, you never explained how your right to privacy was violated.