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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:31 pm No just living on the real world. If it were a movie or novel you would be correct.

Here in the Real World https://g.co/kgs/d8u91c
No, this IS the real world. Trump committed crimes against our nation, the most corrupt President in history, and he should pay for his crimes.

Instead, you want him running for President.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:33 pm No, this IS the real world. Trump committed crimes against our nation, the most corrupt President in history, and he should pay for his crimes.

Instead, you want him running for President.
Just can't help yourself from lying can you. You know I do not want Trump running now or ever.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:57 pm No, they've charged over 1,000. But go ahead, make up whatever number makes you feel good, it's a fantasy of yours anyway.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-j ... r-AA18MUZr

I believe this was from this past January 6th.
1000 arrested 900 charged 408 sentenced

88 sentenced for felonies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-j ... r-AA18MUZr
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:36 pm https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-j ... r-AA18MUZr

I believe this was from this past January 6th.
1000 arrested 900 charged 408 sentenced

88 sentenced for felonies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-j ... r-AA18MUZr
Love how you go from two months ago. Pretend this wasn't a big deal.

Reality check from this month: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/26-mont ... ck-capitol
Criminal charges:

Approximately 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 106 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
Approximately 919 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 101 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 46 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
More than 306 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.



Pleas:

Approximately 518 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
Approximately 133 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 385 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
A total of 60 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 26 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 86 defendants, 47 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 90 months.
Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.

Trials:

53 individuals have been found guilty at contested trials, including 3 who were found guilty in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. Another 16 individuals have been convicted following an agreed-upon set of facts. 19 of these 72 defendants were found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers, a felony, including one who has been sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Let's recall that you say that going into the Capitol that day was no big deal, and that you would have done so yourself. 'Nuff said.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:50 pm Love how you go from two months ago. Pretend this wasn't a big deal.

Reality check from this month: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/26-mont ... ck-capitol



Let's recall that you say that going into the Capitol that day was no big deal, and that you would have done so yourself. 'Nuff said.
Way to take things out of context. You are the biggest liar on this site.
Your super power is lying and telling the truth at the same time.
Your union thug training in action.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:02 pm Way to take things out of context. You are the biggest liar on this site.
Your super power is lying and telling the truth at the same time.
Your union thug training in action.
Not lying at all, Glenn. You DID say that there was nothing wrong with going in after everyone had already broken in and attacking the cops and the politicians. You said YOU would have done so had you been there.
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gounion wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:05 pm Not lying at all, Glenn. You DID say that there was nothing wrong with going in after everyone had already broken in and attacking the cops and the politicians. You said YOU would have done so had you been there.
I said that if i was there I would have out of curiosity walked through. Not participating not while the illegal stuff was going on. Just being a nosey lookyloo
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https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3 ... n-the-law/

Here is an interesting fact based oped by a George Washington law professor. Looking at the other side of the prosection.
Basically it says no conviction will hold up in appeals court and gives the legal reasons why.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:15 pm https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3 ... n-the-law/

Here is an interesting fact based oped by a George Washington law professor. Looking at the other side of the prosection.
Basically it says no conviction will hold up in appeals court and gives the legal reasons why.
Kinda hard to have a REAL opinion when you have no idea what actual proof the DA has, as the Grand Jury proceedings are secret. So, no, not very factual. And Turley has became quite the Trump apologist.

But hey, anything on Trump's side you'll believe, right?
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LOL Jonathan Turley. Turley is a Trumper and a Trump lawyer who made a fool out of himself during the impeachment hearings. Absolutely NO cred and on the same level as Dersh. Or even Rudy.
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Drak wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:22 pm LOL Jonathan Turley. Turley is a Trumper and a Trump lawyer who made a fool out of himself during the impeachment hearings. Absolutely NO cred and on the same level as Dersh. Or even Rudy.
That's right - Turley went to bat for Trump in the impeachment, and DID make a fool out of himself. So, no, the op/ed might as well have been written by Kellyanne Conway.
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Yeah, Turley isn't much of an expert: https://www.businessinsider.com/republi ... ny-2019-12
While the other witnesses laid out the case that Trump abused his power by trying to strong-arm Ukraine into caving to his personal demands while withholding vital military aid and a White House meeting, Turley argued there was no evidence that Trump broke a specific federal statute and that impeaching him would set a dangerous precedent.

Here's what Turley said in his opening statement: "I'm concerned about lowering impeachment standard to fit a paucity of evidence and an abundance of anger. I believe this impeachment not only fails to satisfy the standard of past impeachments, but would create a dangerous precedent for future impeachments."

He added, "This would be the first impeachment in history where there would be considerable debate, and in my view, not compelling evidence, of the commission of a crime."

But 20 years ago, Turley made the opposite case. At the time, he was one of several GOP legal analysts pushing for President Bill Clinton to be impeached and removed from office.

"If you decide that certain acts do not rise to impeachable offenses, you will expand the space for executive conduct," Turley testified in 1998 during Clinton's impeachment hearings. He added that Clinton's actions didn't need to break any laws in order to be considered impeachable conduct.

"While there's a high bar for what constitutes grounds for impeachment, an offense does not have to be indictable," Turley wrote in a 2014 op-ed for the Washington Post. "Serious misconduct or a violation of public trust is enough. And the founders emphasized that impeachments were about what happened in the political arena: involving 'political crimes and misdemeanors' and resulting in 'political punishments.'"

On Wednesday, Turley argued that the mountain of evidence against Trump in the Ukraine scandal didn't matter because it doesn't meet statutory elements for criminal bribery. But the other witnesses pushed back forcefully on his claim.

"Bribery had a clear meaning to the framers," said Noah Feldman, a professor at Harvard Law School. "It was when the president, using the power of his office, solicits or receives something of personal value from someone affected by his official powers."

"And I want to be very clear. The Constitution is law," Feldman added. "The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. So, of course, Professor Turley is right that you wouldn't want to impeach someone who didn't violate the law. But the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, specifies bribery as a ground of impeachment, as it specifies other high crimes and misdemeanors. Bribery had a clear meaning."
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Yeah Turley is totally untrustworthy.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:15 pm https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3 ... n-the-law/

Here is an interesting fact based oped by a George Washington law professor. Looking at the other side of the prosection.
Basically it says no conviction will hold up in appeals court and gives the legal reasons why.
This is how Glenn pisses backwards as always in his constant defense of Trump. A few days ago he says this:
I see the New York prosecutor as doing a very good and thoughtful job. While conducting legitimate investigations into legitimate crimes and wrong doings.
But the first chance he gets, he jumps on an op/ed that says the exact opposite.

Like he always will. In the end, he will ALWAYS jump to Trump's defense, and agree with Trump's bleatings that ANY prosecution against him is just a witch hunt, and Trump is just a victim of people out to get him.

Just as he will when Special Prosecutor Smith bring indictments against Trump in the Mar-a-Lago and Jan. 6th events. Mark my words.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:08 am This is how Glenn pisses backwards as always in his constant defense of Trump. A few days ago he says this:

But the first chance he gets, he jumps on an op/ed that says the exact opposite.

Like he always will. In the end, he will ALWAYS jump to Trump's defense, and agree with Trump's bleatings that ANY prosecution against him is just a witch hunt, and Trump is just a victim of people out to get him.

Just as he will when Special Prosecutor Smith bring indictments against Trump in the Mar-a-Lago and Jan. 6th events. Mark my words.

I am surprised that a man with your "objectivity " wouldn't be interested in seeing the other side.
Especially when it comes from a law professor.
The mistake you are making is because of your close mindedness and 100pct partisanship you equate looking at the opposite views as a defense of trump.
It isn't a defense of trump it is taking a look at what his defense will likely be.
It is what people do who aren't partisan.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:45 am I am surprised that a man with your "objectivity " wouldn't be interested in seeing the other side.
Especially when it comes from a law professor.
The mistake you are making is because of your close mindedness and 100pct partisanship you equate looking at the opposite views as a defense of trump.
It isn't a defense of trump it is taking a look at what his defense will likely be.
It is what people do who aren't partisan.
You aren't partisan - you're always at Trump's defense.

Kinda hard to judge a case when you don't know what evidence the prosecution has, since Grand Juries are secret - but you're always there to defend Trump.

I called it - you're always on his side. You believe whatever he feeds you.
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Trump is threatening Bragg and calling on the NYPD to refuse to protect the people of New York from his violent supporters. Yeah, this guy sounds really innocent and sane.






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Drak wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:28 am Trump is threatening Bragg and calling on the NYPD to refuse to protect the people of New York from his violent supporters. Yeah, this guy sounds really innocent and sane.






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Traitor and the folks who defend him, which you see here all day long, are hoping their more aggressive members will kill any and all law enforcement willing to indict or enforce the law. I hesitate to even spell out that word, k i l l only because there are so many threats by righty, and I need it to be clear I am only describing their desires.

FOR YEARS on this board I have said that WHEN maga kills, and they already have, board cons will say nothing. They already have and watch it happen again.
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Trump is now trying to derail the Fulton county investigation. There aren’t even indictments, yet, things desperate criminals would do.

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Drak wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:22 am Trump is now trying to derail the Fulton county investigation. There aren’t even indictments, yet, things desperate criminals would do.

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If they get a maga judge, i.e. traitor to rule, well we know what will happen.
And if they dont, they will just remove Fani using that new law they have.

BECAISE OF people like those on this very board, behavour is now normalized that never would have been.

Like judges on the SC ignoring precedent and the Constitution to further a radical agenda.
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And of course



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 9187&ei=12


House GOP chairmen ask Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg to testify on Trump probe
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Libertas wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:21 am And of course



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 9187&ei=12





GOP are traitors, all of them.
Nice separation of branches there. Assisting a former president from the executive and their king running for office. Too bad they have no jurisdiction here.
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Drak wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am Nice separation of branches there. Assisting a former president from the executive and their king running for office. Too bad they have no jurisdiction here.
And Bragg should tell them to pound sand, but he probably wont. He should though. And that is where the cons have brought our system down to a meaningless power structure that only works in one direction.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:49 am You aren't partisan - you're always at Trump's defense.

Kinda hard to judge a case when you don't know what evidence the prosecution has, since Grand Juries are secret - but you're always there to defend Trump.

I called it - you're always on his side. You believe whatever he feeds you.
No you aren't smart enough to have any intellectual curiosity about what Trump's defense will be, or anything else that is outside of your very limited liberal template.

Trump's defense or Trump's preemptive attack should interest anyone with an intellect that goes beyond their own beliefs.

You are 100pct the same as my evangelical relatives who cannot bring themselves to discuss religion.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:04 pm No you aren't smart enough to have any intellectual curiosity about what Trump's defense will be, or anything else that is outside of your very limited liberal template.

Trump's defense or Trump's preemptive attack should interest anyone with an intellect that goes beyond their own beliefs.

You are 100pct the same as my evangelical relatives who cannot bring themselves to discuss religion.
Again, you always come to Trump's defense. Even after you praise the investigation. But that was all bullshit, and we both know it.

What is Trump's defense? Well, he's perfect, he's never done anything wrong, and it's just people out to get this poor victim.

Let's remember, he's already said he's never met her and she's horse-faced. None of this ever happened.

Same as his defense for everything. He's perfectly innocent.

So go ahead and defend this bullshit. Because he's your guy.
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