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Glennfs wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:14 pm I am not defending him and have badmouthed him to high heaven. I am 100pct in favor of the federal government going after him. The Georgia County prosecutor is a scam artist taking advantage of the situation for personal gain.

Which is not saying Trump is innocent or didn't commit the crimes.

What it is saying is that people like you are just as dumb as those who believe next Monday Trump is going to drop a bombshell of information which will change everything.

The Biden family received over 20 million from Hunter selling the illusion of influence to foreign entities.
People like you think no crime was committed and that Joe is 100pct innocent of the knowledge it was happening. Even though Joe has lied about knowing anything about Hunter's business.
We need an investigation and people like you and GoU should be 100pct for it.
Every once in a while, when backed into a corner, you'll say a few bad things about Trump. But you don't start it. AND when we say bad things, you run to his defense, over and over an over.

And there is ZERO evidence Joe Biden has done nothing wrong.

And making money off of your name is deplorable, but legal. So you're manufacturing outage over something that's completely legal. And why are you so damned worried about foreign entities? Why are you championing them all of the sudden? Why does it matter to you?
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gounion wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:46 am Every once in a while, when backed into a corner, you'll say a few bad things about Trump. But you don't start it. AND when we say bad things, you run to his defense, over and over an over.

And there is ZERO evidence Joe Biden has done nothing wrong.

And making money off of your name is deplorable, but legal. So you're manufacturing outage over something that's completely legal. And why are you so damned worried about foreign entities? Why are you championing them all of the sudden? Why does it matter to you?
You are a hypocrite. We will know after the investigation whether or not Joe Biden was involved.
You do understand that if he had knowledge of the shakedowns and did nothing to prevent it that makes him equally guilty.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:58 am You are a hypocrite. We will know after the investigation whether or not Joe Biden was involved.
You do understand that if he had knowledge of the shakedowns and did nothing to prevent it that makes him equally guilty.
How so? What law would cover that, considering it’s not even in this county?

You show us all that this isn’t about Hunter Biden, it’s your hope against reality that you can see Joe Biden in prison.

While ignoring or defending everything that Trump does.

Have you read the Georgia indictment yet? Oh, hell, of COURSE not.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:58 am You are a hypocrite. We will know after the investigation whether or not Joe Biden was involved.
You do understand that if he had knowledge of the shakedowns and did nothing to prevent it that makes him equally guilty.
No. Just shows he’s a liar. Kinda natural for a politician. Only a complete idiot and fool believes Joe didn’t know anything about Hunter’s business dealings. Especially when he’s expecting the bills to be paid.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:25 am No. Just shows he’s a liar. Kinda natural for a politician. Only a complete idiot and fool believes Joe didn’t know anything about Hunter’s business dealings. Especially when he’s expecting the bills to be paid.
Oh? Do YOU have grown children? Do YOU know their finances? My wife has three siblings - and her father doesn’t know OUR finances, or the finances of any of his children.
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gounion wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:01 pm Oh? Do YOU have grown children? Do YOU know their finances? My wife has three siblings - and her father doesn’t know OUR finances, or the finances of any of his children.
Yep, and I’m well informed. And collaborating with them to build a solid investment portfolio.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:22 pm Yep, and I’m well informed. And collaborating with them to build a solid investment portfolio.
Yeah, the wealthy, they DO help themselves.

Most parents leave their children's business to their children.
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gounion wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:24 pm Yeah, the wealthy, they DO help themselves.

Most parents leave their children's business to their children.
I do. They just share with me what’s going on. I don’t think I’ve weighed once on what they should do. And collaborating means I give them money from my fund to invest as they see fit.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:42 pm I do. They just share with me what’s going on. I don’t think I’ve weighed once on what they should do. And collaborating means I give them money from my fund to invest as they see fit.
Yep, the rich they help themselves.

I didn't get, nor did I expect a dime from my parents. I did it on my own. That's how most of us do things in the real world.
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gounion wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:51 pm Yep, the rich they help themselves.

I didn't get, nor did I expect a dime from my parents. I did it on my own. That's how most of us do things in the real world.
My dad, an Air Force colonel, covered what my college scholarships didn’t provide. I didn’t get an allowance and worked odd jobs for the neighbors, pumped gas, oil changes, mounted tires. Worked heavy industries during the summer while in college. Made my own money spent my own money. Kids did the same. We covered what the scholarships didn’t. The kids worked summer jobs. They are doing very well on their own. They aren’t spending what I give them, they are investing. Investing for the future.
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Bludogdem wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:48 pm My dad, an Air Force colonel, covered what my college scholarships didn’t provide. I didn’t get an allowance and worked odd jobs for the neighbors, pumped gas, oil changes, mounted tires. Worked heavy industries during the summer while in college. Made my own money spent my own money. Kids did the same. We covered what the scholarships didn’t. The kids worked summer jobs. They are doing very well on their own. They aren’t spending what I give them, they are investing. Investing for the future.
Look, you’ve made up all kinds of bullshit. No one believes you. You said you were in charge of civil rights for the Humphrey campaign. You said the CIA was recruiting you. You’ve said all kinds of things.

You just keep making shit up.
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gounion wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:01 pm Oh? Do YOU have grown children? Do YOU know their finances? My wife has three siblings - and her father doesn’t know OUR finances, or the finances of any of his children.
I know my children's finances and they know mine.
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:08 pm I know my children's finances and they know mine.
Oh? Do you know exactly how much all of them made, and how many taxes they paid?

To me, it's no one's business.

We moved our money out of one bank, because my wife's niece went to work there.

Most parents don't know their kid's financial business.
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The premise of the current line is that everyone shares their business dealings with all family members. We don't know if that applies to everyone.

Certainly, if the dealings are "shady" as alleged, that might just be a reason not to share that information.
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Good point, Toonces. They are going to all pretend they are all in their kid’s business, because of this case.

But when it comes to Clarence Thomas and his wife Ginni, why, they NEVER talk business EVER! They flip and flop, whichever side that works for them at the moment.

Like, it’s OKAY if Rudy Giuliani used his time as a prosecutor to enrich himself and make a big name for his ambitions, but when a black woman does it, it’s TERRIBLE and she should be denounced for her ambitions!

And lay off poor Donald!
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gounion wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:10 pm Oh? Do you know exactly how much all of them made, and how many taxes they paid?

To me, it's no one's business.

We moved our money out of one bank, because my wife's niece went to work there.

Most parents don't know their kid's financial business.
How would you know
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:26 pm How would you know
How would YOU know?
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Toonces wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 5:06 pm The premise of the current line is that everyone shares their business dealings with all family members. We don't know if that applies to everyone.

Certainly, if the dealings are "shady" as alleged, that might just be a reason not to share that information.
So investigations are necessary to answer those questions now aren’t they? You follow the money. You interview witnesses. You look at email and other evidence. You are abosolutely correct there is much we don’t know and won’t know without a professional, impartial and thorough investigation.

I don’t understand why folks are soooo opposed to such an investigation.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:54 pm So investigations are necessary to answer those questions now aren’t they? You follow the money. You interview witnesses. You look at email and other evidence. You are abosolutely correct there is much we don’t know and won’t know without a professional, impartial and thorough investigation.

I don’t understand why folks are soooo opposed to such an investigation.
Five years it's been investigated. Not ONE OUNCE OF EVIDENCE JOE BIDEN DID ANYTHING.

And it's hilarious you say this isn't about Joe Biden, then you say this. It's ALWAYS been about putting Joe Biden in jail for you. You're just a lying fuck that can't stand up for yourself, and run away from taking a stance and standing by it. Hilarious!
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:54 pm So investigations are necessary to answer those questions now aren’t they? You follow the money. You interview witnesses. You look at email and other evidence. You are abosolutely correct there is much we don’t know and won’t know without a professional, impartial and thorough investigation.

I don’t understand why folks are soooo opposed to such an investigation.
Who's opposed?

So far, though, we've heard a lot about what Republicans say they've found but little of what they've actually found. A lot of sound and fury.

Investigate away. If it's found that President Biden was on the take, hold him accountable. You'll find that the majority view it this way. An expectation that people are held accountable for their crimes, regardless of who they are.

Go ahead, ask.
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Toonces wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:22 pm Who's opposed?

So far, though, we've heard a lot about what Republicans say they've found but little of what they've actually found. A lot of sound and fury.

Investigate away. If it's found that President Biden was on the take, hold him accountable. You'll find that the majority view it this way. An expectation that people are held accountable for their crimes, regardless of who they are.

Go ahead, ask.
We’ll just read a little in this thread and you will see folks who claim there’s nothing to find and that it’s a waste of time.

There’s been quite a bit made public in the last 9 or 10 months. 100 or so bank transactions flagged as suspicious. Millions of dollars flowing from foreign entities thru numerous shell companies to Biden family members. Lots of testimony from whistleblowers. Emails. Documents. In whose word does this equal nothing. There are lots of leads to run down. The problem is the administration, the DOJ, the IRS are stonewalling.

So you are correct. There are questions. Unanswered questions. We should have answers. That’s what independent professional investigations are all about. It should take 5 years in the hands of a competent impartial professional investigator. Shouldn’t. Unless he/she is being influenced or interfered with.
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This is who the local cons believe regarding allegations against Joe Biden. Video at link

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1691952634842800626

Trump's boy. One of the many House Republicans who work for 4 times indicted for serious crimes, Donald Trump.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:50 pm We’ll just read a little in this thread and you will see folks who claim there’s nothing to find and that it’s a waste of time.

There’s been quite a bit made public in the last 9 or 10 months. 100 or so bank transactions flagged as suspicious. Millions of dollars flowing from foreign entities thru numerous shell companies to Biden family members. Lots of testimony from whistleblowers. Emails. Documents. In whose word does this equal nothing. There are lots of leads to run down. The problem is the administration, the DOJ, the IRS are stonewalling.

So you are correct. There are questions. Unanswered questions. We should have answers. That’s what independent professional investigations are all about. It should take 5 years in the hands of a competent impartial professional investigator. Shouldn’t. Unless he/she is being influenced or interfered with.
First, Weiss was appointed in 2019. so he had two years under a Trump Administration. If Joe Biden is guilty, as you believe, wasn't that enough time to find out if he is? Weiss says he's never been interfered with. Is he lying? If so, why?

And yes, all the bullshit equals NOTHING. You're "whistleblower" refuses to speak to the Senate Committee. Why would that be, Joe? And even he didn't show any ties to Joe Biden.

The vast majority of flagged transactions in America are found to be perfectly legal. That in itself says nothing.

But you're so fucking sure that Joe Biden should be in prison that you're obsessed. And, when the case is closed down without any findings of Joe Biden's guilt, you won't believe it, because you're fucking obsessed.

And no, no one is stonewalling. You just have a witch hunt committee that has a leader that is constantly lying about what the committee has found. Which is, by the way, NOTHING.
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This is WaPo so it may paywall for some. I suspect this may be archived elsewhere.

How Republicans overhype the findings of their Hunter Biden probe
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... den-probe/

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For instance, the second staff memo never says that Hunter Biden used “shell” companies — a term often associated with shady or illegal activity, even though a shell company is a legitimate entity. Comer once described such an entity as “a fake company … they don’t make anything. They don’t produce anything. They don’t provide a good or service.” He is not wrong about many shell companies, but the memo lists real companies, with active websites and real business functions. (The third staff memo refers to just one “shell” company, which we will describe later.)

As for the $20 million in payments, Comer and other Republicans invoke this figure often. A close reading of the memos, however, finds that only about $7 million can be directly attributed to Biden family members, mostly Hunter, while the rest went to “associates,” according to the memos. Yet Comer and other lawmakers misleadingly suggest all of the money went to the Biden family or, as some label it, “the Biden crime family.” No evidence has emerged that any of these funds can be traced to Joe Biden himself.

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Hunter Biden’s decision to pursue business deals that at the time overlapped with his father’s policy brief as vice president was ill-advised and has caused political headaches for his father. Republicans are pursuing the case with vigor, but Comer undercuts the findings of his investigation by hyping what has been found. He claims there were more than 20 “shell companies,” but upon inspection most of the companies named had legitimate business transactions or investments. He claims the Bidens received more than $20 million from foreign sources, leaving off the caveat in the staff reports that two-thirds of the payments went to Hunter Biden’s business partners.

Comer would have more credibility if he stuck to documented facts — such as saying precisely that Hunter Biden received $7 million from foreign sources. He earns Three Pinocchios.

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Let's review. The so-called "shell" companies do not meet the definition of the term. (They were not fraudulently created to hide transactions without doing any actual business).

Of the $23 million, yes, $7 million went to Hunter. He in turn transferred some to a few other Biden family members. None went to his father Joe. 2/3 of it, the overwhelming amount, went to his business partners, some of which like Archer are now "whistleblowers" against him. Archer BTW was the only one to really make use of the one thing on the list that is an actual shell company. For transactions not involving Hunter.

We can debate whether some of the entities that paid Hunter have close ties to their governments. Clearly this is the case with CEFC. But the title of this post is false -- most of it came from foreign business entities, not foreign governments, most of whom have no lobbying interests before the U.S. government. Hunter may have been trading on his name, who knows whether he did what to deserve these payments (he did offer legal representation and investment opportunities), but he was not acting as a foreign agent. Unlike, say, Paul Manafort.
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Nice post, Prof, using facts and reality. But Joe won't even read it, let alone respond to it, he has his fantasy obsession and that rules his life.
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