Trump and Friends Indicted in GA

[gounion]

I didn’t erase anything. Simply copied the quote from the text and posted it. Kinda obvious it was from Meadows rationale for the removal request.

Just forgot to post the link that the extracted quote came from.

You don’t post links. You pretend it’s all from your own mind.

You’re a dishonest wanna-be and we all have your number, you sock puppet pretender.

[Number6]

I didn’t erase anything. Simply copied the quote from the text and posted it. Kinda obvious it was from Meadows rationale for the removal request.

Just forgot to post the link that the extracted quote came from.

Bullshit! I copied exactly what you posted and did a Google search. The first item on the page came up with the quote, including the part saying it was from Meadow's lawyer. I seriously doubt you got a source for the statement without attributing it to Meadow's lawyer.

Edited to correct from Trump to Meadow.

[gounion]

Bullshit! I copied exactly what you posted and did a Google search. The first item on the page came up with the quote, including the part saying it was from Trump's lawyer. I seriously doubt you got a source for the statement without attributing it to Trump's lawyer.

He likes to pretend he did all the case research and came up with it all by himself. That's why he rarely, if ever, provides a link. It's green grass pretending to be a smart guy, laughably so.

[Number6]

He likes to pretend he did all the case research and came up with it all by himself. That's why he rarely, if ever, provides a link. It's green grass pretending to be a smart guy, laughably so.

I didn't challenge greengrass because he was greengrass but because what he posted just didn't see right setting off my internal warning flags. That's why I Googled what he posted and found out he erased the part saying it was from Meadow's lawyer. By doing that he changed the system from appearing to be a valid, unbiased opinion to being just a propaganda statement from Meadow's lawyer.

[gounion]

I didn't challenge greengrass because he was greengrass but because what he posted just didn't see right setting off my internal warning flags. That's why I Googled what he posted and found out he erased the part saying it was from Meadow's lawyer. By doing that he changed the system from appearing to be a valid, unbiased opinion to being just a propaganda statement from Meadow's lawyer.

Yeah, this time you just caught him red-handed doing what he always does - take someone else’s (usually conservative propaganda) work, file the serial numbers off, and pretend it’s his own profound education and intelligence.

[gounion]

Meadows bid to move his case to federal court just got shot down.

Look for Glenn and Green Grass to tell us how horrible it is that this fucking left-wing judge ignored the law and is just going after poor innocent Mark Meadows.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/politics ... index.html

[Glennfs]

Meadows bid to move his case to federal court just got shot down.

Look for Glenn and Green Grass to tell us how horrible it is that this fucking left-wing judge ignored the law and is just going after poor innocent Mark Meadows.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/politics ... index.html

Federal courts are not kangaroo courts ran by politicians looking to further their career.

Guilty or innocent Trump had zero chance in Manhattan and zero chance in Fulton County Georgia.

Our Federal courts are a different story and the special prosecutor isn't looking to get rich or famous.

[gounion]

Federal courts are not kangaroo courts ran by politicians looking to further their career.

Guilty or innocent Trump had zero chance in Manhattan and zero chance in Fulton County Georgia.

Our Federal courts are a different story and the special prosecutor isn't looking to get rich or famous.

Rudy was your hero, and that's all he was about - getting rich and famous. Guess it's different when the prosecutors are black women.

[gounion]

Meadows bid to move his case to federal court just got shot down.

Look for Glenn and Green Grass to tell us how horrible it is that this fucking left-wing judge ignored the law and is just going after poor innocent Mark Meadows.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/politics ... index.html

Silence from the right!

[Glennfs]

Rudy was your hero, and that's all he was about - getting rich and famous. Guess it's different when the prosecutors are black women.

Rudy was a great mayor. Probably the best mayor of NY City in.our lifetime. After thar he has been an abject failure.

[gounion]

Rudy was a great mayor. Probably the best mayor of NY City in.our lifetime. After thar he has been an abject failure.

No, he was VERY corrupt as mayor. Hell, look at his body man/Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik.

[Glennfs]

No, he was VERY corrupt as mayor. Hell, look at his body man/Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik.

Look at what a shithole NYC after decades of democratic party rule and what a shithole it is again today after decades of democratic party rule.
Rudy did a great job as mayor

[gounion]

Look at what a shithole NYC after decades of democratic party rule and what a shithole it is again today after decades of democratic party rule.
Rudy did a great job as mayor

No he didn't. He was a crook. He was just the only person on 9/11 that would do his job - the President decided to crawl under a rock when the nation needed leadership.

But hey, he cracked down on black people with his stop and frisk that was ruled unconstitutional, so you liked that, right?

[Glennfs]

No he didn't. He was a crook. He was just the only person on 9/11 that would do his job - the President decided to crawl under a rock when the nation needed leadership.

But hey, he cracked down on black people with his stop and frisk that was ruled unconstitutional, so you liked that, right?

Two questions you won't answer

1 was NYC in better shape when Rudy left office than when he took office

2 was NYC in better shape when he left office than it is today

[gounion]

Two questions you won't answer

1 was NYC in better shape when Rudy left office than when he took office

2 was NYC in better shape when he left office than it is today

Rudy had a VERY corrupt police department, and his orders were found to violate the Constitution. I don't call that good.

Was it good to be a black man in NYC under Rudy?

[Glennfs]

Rudy had a VERY corrupt police department, and his orders were found to violate the Constitution. I don't call that good.

Was it good to be a black man in NYC under Rudy?

Yes it was as that black man was far less likely to be a victim if crime.

[gounion]

Yes it was as that black man was far less likely to be a victim if crime.

No, stop and frisk didn't care if you were committing a crime, they treated you like a criminal anyway.

And I guess you forgot when his cops sodomized a man with a broom handle. There's a lot more. He defended all of it.

Look, if you bring in a police state, and take away everyone's rights, you'll have less crime. But do rights matter?

[ProfX]

The story of Rudy's "heroism" on 9/11 is a bit of a fiction. They talk about how he was in the streets with the people shortly after the attacks on the towers.

Yeah, because he had put his city's terrorism response center/bunker in WTC 7, a decision that had been widely criticized even before 9/11, and as we all know, it collapsed. He would have gone there to plan and manage the response, but it had been destroyed.

BTW, a couple things about him as Mayor worth mentioning. I could mention problems with civil liberties, and race relations, and ... but I'll point out this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty ... y_Giuliani

As Mayor of New York City, Giuliani encouraged hardworking illegal immigrants to move to New York City.[35] He said in 1994:

Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens. If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair."[35]

In a Minneapolis speech two years later he defended his policy: "There are times when undocumented immigrants must have a substantial degree of protection."[36] In 2000, Giuliani said of New York City, "Immigration is a very positive force for the City of New York. Immigration is the key to the city's success. Both historically and to this very day."[37]

Giuliani also expressed doubt that the federal government can completely stop illegal immigration.[38] Giuliani said that the Immigration and Naturalization Service "do nothing with those names but terrorize people." In 1996 he said that the new anti-illegal immigration law, as well as the Welfare Reform Act, were "inherently unfair."[39] In 1996, Giuliani said, "I believe the anti-immigration movement in America is one of our most serious public problems."[37] In the same year he said, "We're never, ever going to be able to totally control immigration in a country that is as large as ours." He went on to say, "If you were to totally control immigration into the United States, you might very well destroy the economy of the United States, because you'd have to inspect everything and everyone in every way possible.

[snip][end]

Open borders scumbag.

Or maybe showing a kind of honesty the party wants to suppress in the Trump era.

[gounion]

Even the far-right CATO Institute doesn't think much of Rudy. https://www.cato.org/commentary/rudys-r ... ory-lesson#

An internal‐​strategy report (the “Rudolph W. Giuliani Vulnerability Study”) prepared for the candidate’s 1993 mayoral campaign devoted more than 50 pages to the 1992 police riot under the all‐​caps heading “RACIST.”

“When dealing with direct questions about the police rally, Giuliani should acknowledge and criticize the underlying racial nature of the protest,” the study urged.

Giuliani never condemned the overt racism of the 1992 NYPD riot. Instead, he ordered the vulnerability study destroyed, but a copy was leaked to journalist Wayne Barrett in 2000.

Giuliani won the 1993 election against Dinkins and won re‐​election in 1997. During his two terms, the NYPD ran roughshod over the civil liberties of all New Yorkers, particularly in neighborhoods where most young men of color grew up under the thumb of constant police harassment. At the heart of Giuliani’s law enforcement policy, in case after case, was a lack of accountability for police misconduct.

Now, Giuliani is back again to give us his sage advice. Jangling his chains like Marley’s Ghost, he reminds us of everything that is wrong about the NYPD’s past policing practices. But unlike Marley, Giuliani has no remorse for his past misdeeds and wants us to repeat them into the future. There is nothing that the onetime presidential candidate can tell us about proper policing that is worth listening to.

[JoeMemphis]

The story of Rudy's "heroism" on 9/11 is a bit of a fiction. They talk about how he was in the streets with the people shortly after the attacks on the towers.

Yeah, because he had put his city's terrorism response center/bunker in WTC 7, a decision that had been widely criticized even before 9/11, and as we all know, it collapsed. He would have gone there to plan and manage the response, but it had been destroyed.

BTW, a couple things about him as Mayor worth mentioning. I could mention problems with civil liberties, and race relations, and ... but I'll point out this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayoralty ... y_Giuliani

As Mayor of New York City, Giuliani encouraged hardworking illegal immigrants to move to New York City.[35] He said in 1994:

Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens. If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair."[35]

In a Minneapolis speech two years later he defended his policy: "There are times when undocumented immigrants must have a substantial degree of protection."[36] In 2000, Giuliani said of New York City, "Immigration is a very positive force for the City of New York. Immigration is the key to the city's success. Both historically and to this very day."[37]

Giuliani also expressed doubt that the federal government can completely stop illegal immigration.[38] Giuliani said that the Immigration and Naturalization Service "do nothing with those names but terrorize people." In 1996 he said that the new anti-illegal immigration law, as well as the Welfare Reform Act, were "inherently unfair."[39] In 1996, Giuliani said, "I believe the anti-immigration movement in America is one of our most serious public problems."[37] In the same year he said, "We're never, ever going to be able to totally control immigration in a country that is as large as ours." He went on to say, "If you were to totally control immigration into the United States, you might very well destroy the economy of the United States, because you'd have to inspect everything and everyone in every way possible.

[snip][end]

Open borders scumbag.

Or maybe showing a kind of honesty the party wants to suppress in the Trump era.

So how’s that policy working out for NYC. Last time I checked the current mayor is telling folks the strain is destroying the city. So New Yorkers are getting what they voted for.

[ProfX]

Adams' remarks in context.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/new-y ... y-the-city

Both you and the governor of New York want the federal government to expedite work permits, so that migrants can support themselves and not be as dependent on the city and state for basic services.

[snip]

And this is within the control of the federal government. And then we need to expedite this labor-intensive process of allowing people to have the right to work. And I believe we need to extend the TPS status to give them the right to work, so they can provide for their own care. This is all they're asking.

Migrants asking to be able to work like every other American that came to this country, that's the precursor to the American dream. And if we don't do that, we are harming not only the migrants. We're creating the black market of employees and workers that is extremely harmful and dangerous to the city and this country.

[snip]

Well, let's be clear. I did not say migrants would destroy this city. This crisis is going to harm migrants, and it is going to harm long-term New Yorkers

[snip]

They are 100 percent correct. I share that with them. And that is why those Republicans that have blocked immigration reform for years and have gotten in the way of real immigration reform, we came close at one time of, yes, this is a problem that the national government must resolve.

[snip][end]

It is a problem the federal government needs to help resolve, yes, but that doesn't just mean the executive branch, it means the folks in Congress who are blocking immigration reform from happening. These people can support themselves, but not if we force them not to be able to.

Earlier this year, he said:

Adams: Texas governor is "targeting 5 cities run by Black mayors"
https://www.axios.com/2023/05/02/nyc-ma ... rant-buses

New York City Mayor Eric Adams (D) accused Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Monday of "once again deciding to play politics with people's lives" by sending asylum seekers to major cities with Black mayors.

[snip]

What they're saying: "Not only is this behavior morally bankrupt and devoid of any concern for the well-being of asylum seekers, but it is also impossible to ignore the fact that Abbott is now targeting five cities run by Black mayors," Adams said in a statement, referring to New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver, and Washington, D.C.

"Put plainly, Abbott is using this crisis to hurt Black-run cities," he added.

[snip]

Where it stands: "Despite Abbott’s inhumane actions, New York City will continue to do all it can to handle this influx, but this crisis is more than one city can handle," Adams said.

"With a vacuum of leadership from border states, we need the federal government to step in and provide us with support and to prevent this cruelty from continuing."

[snip][end]

Yeah, he needs more federal aid, and he knows the squeaky wheels get grease. But he also wants changes to the system where migrants could better be enabled to take care of themselves, too, which they could, if they weren't blocked from doing so.

He doesn't seem to think Abbott (and DeSantis') stunt-based way of handling the problem with deceptive magic bus rides to his city (and others) is helping, either.

It's something we need to handle as a country. No, border states shouldn't shoulder it alone. But no, just offloading it on 5 northern cities isn't the answer either. Like is sometimes said here, the whole country has to work on this together. Feds, states, cities. For a comprehensive solution. Razor wire isn't the answer.

[ZoWie]

Nothing we're doing right now has any chance of even making a dent in the migrant problem. It's a perfect example of trying to address a global problem with local solutions. Nor does it help to reduce it to simple economics. Economics are the motivation, yes, but the causes include the current situation in which gangs are taking over entire portions of what we used to call the Global South or the Third World. As long as this is the case, people will flee for their lives.

[gounion]

Those who bought the "build a wall" bullshit are morons. a wall from coast to coast isn't viable, but they are too dumb to know that I guess. The corporations who WANT them here will find other ways. And did they ever hear of boats? I mean, look at all the Cubans that have came here.

And Zowie's right - because of the drugs and corruption - all done to feed our addictions - they are running for their lives now, too.

But the right doesn't care about their lives, just like they didn't care about the Jews trying to flee Hitler. They never change.

[ZoWie]

1. The Mexican border is a long one, yes. It's not really from coast to coast, but from the Gulf coast to the blue Pacific shore, and that's still a far piece. Drumpf's wall went up fast, and looks it. It's kind of a joke, really, more symbolic than anything. Even on a symbolic level, it resembles East Germany's similar effort a little too much for comfort. That didn't work all that well either, now pieces of it are in museums.

2. The gang problem is a form of free trade. Republicans don't want you to know that. Gang activity worldwide has many causes, but it's facilitated somewhat by the market for illegal drugs. Since the activity is already a crime, it's not surprising that organized crime does it, same way they used to run sports betting.

3. The idea that the USA can keep everyone else out and remain a free country is utter balderdash. It has never worked in several millennia of well documented history, of which the whole existence of the USA is an eye blink. Nothing basic has changed in this entire time, even though it has never, ever worked. It leads to abuses, yes, as witness the entire history of New York. NYC is the poster child for 19th century immigration laws and/or the lack thereof, for better and for worse.

4. The current poster child for immigration laws is Los Angeles, and it proves mostly that where's a will there's a way. We spend millions keeping them out, and still they come, pretty much at will. They tunnel in, they pile into overloaded trucks, they swim in from boats, and when they get caught and sent back they learn from the experience and get it right the next time. They do a lot of jobs no one else wants to do. If we deported all of them, construction in LA would grind to a halt and the city's economy would collapse. It's stupid to keep throwing money at a failed and useless policy instead of doing a searching and somewhat embarrassing re-conceptualization of the entire issue.

5. It has become clear from every known fact that the only solutions are global ones. The US cannot fix a broken planet with laws that only apply inside its borders.

[gounion]

1. The Mexican border is a long one, yes. It's not really from coast to coast, but from the Gulf coast to the blue Pacific shore, and that's still a far piece. Drumpf's wall went up fast, and looks it. It's kind of a joke, really, more symbolic than anything. Even on a symbolic level, it resembles East Germany's similar effort a little too much for comfort. That didn't work all that well either, now pieces of it are in museums.

2. The gang problem is a form of free trade. Republicans don't want you to know that. Gang activity worldwide has many causes, but it's facilitated somewhat by the market for illegal drugs. Since the activity is already a crime, it's not surprising that organized crime does it, same way they used to run sports betting.

3. The idea that the USA can keep everyone else out and remain a free country is utter balderdash. It has never worked in several millennia of well documented history, of which the whole existence of the USA is an eye blink. Nothing basic has changed in this entire time, even though it has never, ever worked. It leads to abuses, yes, as witness the entire history of New York. NYC is the poster child for 19th century immigration laws or the lack thereof, for better and for worse.

4. The current poster child for immigration laws is Los Angeles, and it proves mostly that where's a will there's a way. We spend millions keeping them out, and still they come, pretty much at will. They tunnel in, they pile into overloaded trucks, they swim in from boats, and when they get caught and sent back they learn from the experience and get it right the next time. Nothing keeps them out. It's stupid to keep throwing money at a failed policy instead of doing a searching and somewhat embarrassing re-conceptualization of the entire issue.

5. It has become clear from every known fact that the only solutions are global ones. The US cannot fix a broken planet with laws that only apply inside its borders.

The right will never change. They'll continue with their racist demonizing and wish to use violence just like the Klan a century ago. It's all the same old song for them.

And the razor wire is stupid, too, when you stop and think about it. I mean, if they'll bring a ladder to get over a wall, another thing they manufacture a lot of in Mexico, too?

Wire cutters.