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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:18 am And you should do the same. After all wouldn’t want to force your beliefs on others.
I have pushed nothing on you and you know that. As a Veteran, I fought to defend your Right to Freedom of Religion, and damn proud of it.

But as an Atheist, my right NOT be bombarded with false claims about a false god.

You alluded to Atheism being a Religion, it is not. I refuse to be told I have to believe in some false god in order the achieve a moral purity and gain access to a magic city in the sky.

I do not want someone praying to a non-existent Sky Man in my name. I do not want it. I do not need it. I do not require it. I do not desire it. Keep your god to yourself.

Your belief in your version of your god is your right.

My right to be free from useless ear banging about
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marindem01 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:34 am I have pushed nothing on you and you know that. As a Veteran, I fought to defend your Right to Freedom of Religion, and damn proud of it.

But as an Atheist, my right NOT be bombarded with false claims about a false god.

You alluded to Atheism being a Religion, it is not. I refuse to be told I have to believe in some false god in order the achieve a moral purity and gain access to a magic city in the sky.

I do not want someone praying to a non-existent Sky Man in my name. I do not want it. I do not need it. I do not require it. I do not desire it. Keep your god to yourself.

Your belief in your version of your god is your right.

My right to be free from useless ear banging about
I haven’t forced anything on you. You have a right to speak. So do I. You have a right to your beliefs. So do I. You have a right to post those opinions on this board. So do I. You have a right to comment or ignore. So do I. You do NOT have a right to silence me because you either do not agree or do not like what I post. And I don’t have that right toward you.

So see. Nobody is forcing you to do a thing.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:46 am I haven’t forced anything on you. You have a right to speak. So do I. You have a right to your beliefs. So do I. You have a right to post those opinions on this board. So do I. You have a right to comment or ignore. So do I. You do NOT have a right to silence me because you either do not agree or do not like what I post. And I don’t have that right toward you.

So see. Nobody is forcing you to do a thing.
Except for the people YOU VOTE FOR, who DO want to push their religious views upon everyone with force of law.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:14 am We don’t agree or have to agree on what is or is not a belief system.
Once again, facts vs. opinion. Atheism is NOT a belief system. Period. You can pretend otherwise.
As far as the courts, judges are people just like us. However, their business requires them to set aside their personal beliefs in favor of the law. I think most of them are pretty good at it. I don’t agree with every ruling or the viewpoint of every judge however I don’t question that most of them try to be objective and try to get it right. We don’t have to agree on this either.
Oh? What about the four that voted against gay marriage? Were they objective? Hell no.
As an aside, I supported gay marriage. Equal protection under the law. Ask JDogg.
You don't vote like you support gay marriage. Everyone you vote for is against it. I guess it's easy to pretend when you don't put your vote where your mouth is.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:46 am I haven’t forced anything on you. You have a right to speak. So do I. You have a right to your beliefs. So do I. You have a right to post those opinions on this board. So do I. You have a right to comment or ignore. So do I. You do NOT have a right to silence me because you either do not agree or do not like what I post. And I don’t have that right toward you.

So see. Nobody is forcing you to do a thing.
A right to silence you? No. A right to demand that YOUR party not impose their toxic theomythology on others by way of legislation? Yes.

When YOUR party enacts legislation backed by toxic theomythology it follows that YOUR party is forcing its toxic theomythology on others who do not believe the same as they do.

So, where does this leave us? It leaves us with the apparent and open problem that one party has shifted so far right as to become antithetical to democracy. And please don't spew some nonsense about the government being a republic. It is a representative democracy which, of course, contains contradiction. The Big Lie has not only not been repudiated by the overwhelming majority of YOUR party, it has become a bedrock principle. Again, this is anti-democracy.

The whole "Christian Nation", "Judeo-Christian Values" bullshit is simply the right attempting to force not merely its toxic theomythology on the country as a whole but to, in the long run, criminalize heterodoxy as relates to the toxic theomythology. The pseudoreligious right despises the Jew but "loves" Israel because Israel fits their toxic theomythology. The Jews themselves are simply an inconvenient problem.

So, as regards the first step in repudiation:

Did Joe Biden win the election, fairly and without fraud?
The only acceptable answers are yes or no.
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This is where Joe will tell us he's not a Republican. Even though he exclusively votes for them.

So he's not responsible for anything they do. But he'll attack Dems all day long.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:14 am We don’t agree or have to agree on what is or is not a belief system.

As far as the courts, judges are people just like us. However, their business requires them to set aside their personal beliefs in favor of the law. I think most of them are pretty good at it. I don’t agree with every ruling or the viewpoint of every judge however I don’t question that most of them try to be objective and try to get it right. We don’t have to agree on this either.

As an aside, I supported gay marriage. Equal protection under the law. Ask JDogg.
Interesting concept re: "the law". If that were arbitrarily the case then Brown v Bd of Ed would not have been decided the way it was. That the plaintiffs proved "separate but equal" was unequal does not matter. The justices could have simply ruled that the several states must make changes to create separate and equal. That would have been in favor of the law but they did not. They ruled the law itself was wrong. By simply claiming to rule "in favor of the law" what was done before and codified into law must remain law because to change it or rule against it means not being "in favor of the law". As for personal beliefs being put aside? That is not only bullshit, it is, if not impossible, highly improbable. The constitution forbids only two things, iirc, bills of attainder and ex post facto laws. The bill of rights forbids certain things as regards rights but even those rights as seen by numerous decisions are not unlimited. It forbids nothing else from a legislative standpoint. Thus SCOTUS decisions on "constitutionality" are simply the opinions of the justices which must needs include their personal belief structures.
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bird wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:03 am A right to silence you? No. A right to demand that YOUR party not impose their toxic theomythology on others by way of legislation? Yes.

When YOUR party enacts legislation backed by toxic theomythology it follows that YOUR party is forcing its toxic theomythology on others who do not believe the same as they do.

So, where does this leave us? It leaves us with the apparent and open problem that one party has shifted so far right as to become antithetical to democracy. And please don't spew some nonsense about the government being a republic. It is a representative democracy which, of course, contains contradiction. The Big Lie has not only not been repudiated by the overwhelming majority of YOUR party, it has become a bedrock principle. Again, this is anti-democracy.

The whole "Christian Nation", "Judeo-Christian Values" bullshit is simply the right attempting to force not merely its toxic theomythology on the country as a whole but to, in the long run, criminalize heterodoxy as relates to the toxic theomythology. The pseudoreligious right despises the Jew but "loves" Israel because Israel fits their toxic theomythology. The Jews themselves are simply an inconvenient problem.

So, as regards the first step in repudiation:

Did Joe Biden win the election, fairly and without fraud?
The only acceptable answers are yes or no.
Hi Bird

I don’t own the Republican Party. I’m an independent conservative. Most of the candidates I support are in fact Republicans.

I don’t know if you have much influence in your party, but in case you haven’t noticed, it’s policy has shifted to the hard left.

So perhaps that explains why little gets done. The country is pretty much split down the middle and party policy seems driven by the extremes.

That being said, I don’t see that anybody is forcing you or Marin to do a thing. You are free to believe what you like.

As far as your last question, I will give the same answer I gave when the election was called in GA. Biden won the election. I never thought it should have been contested and said as much on this board.
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bird wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:14 am Interesting concept re: "the law". If that were arbitrarily the case then Brown v Bd of Ed would not have been decided the way it was. That the plaintiffs proved "separate but equal" was unequal does not matter. The justices could have simply ruled that the several states must make changes to create separate and equal. That would have been in favor of the law but they did not. They ruled the law itself was wrong. By simply claiming to rule "in favor of the law" what was done before and codified into law must remain law because to change it or rule against it means not being "in favor of the law". As for personal beliefs being put aside? That is not only bullshit, it is, if not impossible, highly improbable. The constitution forbids only two things, iirc, bills of attainder and ex post facto laws. The bill of rights forbids certain things as regards rights but even those rights as seen by numerous decisions are not unlimited. It forbids nothing else from a legislative standpoint. Thus SCOTUS decisions on "constitutionality" are simply the opinions of the justices which must needs include their personal belief structures.
In my career, I have dealt with a number of attorneys. I can tell you outside of court they have no problem telling you what they believe. However, in court and on legal matters, those same lawyers follow the law. You wouldn’t and couldn’t tell who they vote for. So I have a different view on whether or not people can silo their personal beliefs when making determinations based on the law and facts presented in a case.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:14 am Hi Bird

I don’t own the Republican Party. I’m an independent conservative. Most of the candidates I support are in fact Republicans.

I don’t know if you have much influence in your party, but in case you haven’t noticed, it’s policy has shifted to the hard left.

So perhaps that explains why little gets done. The country is pretty much split down the middle and party policy seems driven by the extremes.

That being said, I don’t see that anybody is forcing you or Marin to do a thing. You are free to believe what you like.

As far as your last question, I will give the same answer I gave when the election was called in GA. Biden won the election. I never thought it should have been contested and said as much on this board.
I told you so, Bird. But you knew that.

And no, Joe, the Democratic Party has NOT went hard left. That’s simply not true. It’s centrist at best. People like JFK, LBJ and Humphrey wouldn’t recognize our party, it’s went so far to the right.

And Joe, you will continue to vote for those who DO say the election was stolen, like both our Senators. They were both “stop the steal” supporters.
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Hard left to these folks is when you wonder out loud why we cant have universal healthcare like the REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD! :)

We are dealing with people who are immature. They are afraid of commies and socialists but there are no commies or socialists. We thought these people grew up finally or just died off, they did not.

And they truly believe if a Kock brother, whichever prick is still alive, has 300 billion at the end of 2021 instead of 310 billion, that the world will end.
I sigh in your general direction.
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gounion wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:47 am I told you so, Bird. But you knew that.

And no, Joe, the Democratic Party has NOT went hard left. That’s simply not true. It’s centrist at best. People like JFK, LBJ and Humphrey wouldn’t recognize our party, it’s went so far to the right.

And Joe, you will continue to vote for those who DO say the election was stolen, like both our Senators. They were both “stop the steal” supporters.
Senators and congressmen/women don’t call me and ask me how to vote on every issue. I certainly don’t agree with them on all issues. I didn’t agree with anyone who thought that the election should be contested.

That being said, those disagreements on some issues does not mean that I am going to throw my support and my vote to a bunch of progressive policy initiatives I think will weaken and bankrupt this country.

I have linked before to articles where Democrats have risen in protest of election of Republicans. It isnt unprecedented. It isn’t a crime. It isn’t treason. It’s politics. If you think and have proof that any sitting member(s) have committed a crime such as treason, then present it to the DOJ, charge them and take them to trial. That’s what the courts and the legal system are designed to do. But if all you have are allegations you cannot prove, you are no different than those who have risen in protest or those people who sued and failed in court because they could not prove their allegations re: election 2020 in a court of law.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:00 pm Senators and congressmen/women don’t call me and ask me how to vote on every issue. I certainly don’t agree with them on all issues. I didn’t agree with anyone who thought that the election should be contested.

That being said, those disagreements on some issues does not mean that I am going to throw my support and my vote to a bunch of progressive policy initiatives I think will weaken and bankrupt this country.

I have linked before to articles where Democrats have risen in protest of election of Republicans. It isnt unprecedented. It isn’t a crime. It isn’t treason. It’s politics. If you think and have proof that any sitting member(s) have committed a crime such as treason, then present it to the DOJ, charge them and take them to trial. That’s what the courts and the legal system are designed to do. But if all you have are allegations you cannot prove, you are no different than those who have risen in protest or those people who sued and failed in court because they could not prove their allegations re: election 2020 in a court of law.
So you defend the stop the steal.

Look, you can pretend you don’t support the people you vote for all you want, be the truth is quite evident.
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The country is pretty much split down the middle and party policy seems driven by the extremes.
There's that both sides made up bullshit game again.

Sorry, the bulk of the Democratic Party and voters are not "extremists" with extremist policies.

Meanwhile, almost the entire GOP locks walk in step with a deranged lunatic who they refuse to hold accountable after he was impeached twice for serious crimes. Who they let spread deadly disinformation about a serious pandemic, and who they refuse to speak out against. Who they still view as their leader, even though he incited a deadly insurrection and attempted coup, and is still trying to do so by constantly attacking the American election system, conducting fraudits and pushing the Big Lie, weaponizing and radicalizing the base. But yah, both sides.

And one of the worst is Marsha Blackburn, who Joe votes for. Fk off with that shit.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:14 amI don’t own the Republican Party.
No, but you do vote them, and you vote for them then you're supporting them and their policies.
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Drak wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:31 pm There's that both sides made up bullshit game again.

Sorry, the bulk of the Democratic Party and voters are not "extremists" with extremist policies.

Meanwhile, almost the entire GOP locks walk in step with a deranged lunatic who they refuse to hold accountable after he was impeached twice for serious crimes. Who they let spread deadly disinformation about a serious pandemic, and who they refuse to speak out against. Who they still view as their leader, even though he incited a deadly insurrection and attempted coup, and is still trying to do so by constantly attacking the American election system, conducting fraudits and pushing the Big Lie, weaponizing and radicalizing the base. But yah, both sides.

And one of the worst is Marsha Blackburn, who Joe votes for. Fk off with that shit.
Joe made it quite clear - we know he pays no attention to what right-wing elected officials do. But he'll never vote for a Democrat. Never. No matter what. Period.
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Drak wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:31 pmThere's that both sides made up bullshit game again.
One Joe's favorite this is both sides do it.
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gounion wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:33 pm Joe made it quite clear - we know he pays no attention to what right-wing elected officials do. But he'll never vote for a Democrat. Never. No matter what. Period.
Not following along is very convenient, plausible deniability.

And the Democratic Party isn't passing legislation in blue and swing states so that the electoral vote is decided by them, and not The People.
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marindem01 wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:16 am

Atheism is NOT a religion.

Keep your version of your god to yourself.
Amen.



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gounion wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:10 pm So you defend the stop the steal.

Look, you can pretend you don’t support the people you vote for all you want, be the truth is quite evident.
I don’t defend stop the steal and said so at the time. So don’t put words in my mouth.

I support people who reflect most of the policies I would like to se enacted for my state and my nation. I don’t agree with them on every position they may may happen to take. I don’t much care for Marsha Blackburn but I care even less for the policies of Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden. I don’t expect you as a liberal to vote for conservative issues and I find it laughable that you would expect me as a conservative to vote for a very liberal policy agenda.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:46 amYou do NOT have a right to silence me because you either do not agree or do not like what I post.
You're not being "silenced" because you're being disagreed with.

Support "gay marriage." or don't; who cares. The politicians you support are very actively using their religious proclivities to eliminate entire groups of people from public life.

Conservative whites have always referred to this behavior as so-called liberty and freedom. It's no different today, October 27th, 2021.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:02 pm I don’t defend stop the steal and said so at the time. So don’t put words in my mouth.

I support people who reflect most of the policies I would like to se enacted for my state and my nation. I don’t agree with them on every position they may may happen to take. I don’t much care for Marsha Blackburn but I care even less for the policies of Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden. I don’t expect you as a liberal to vote for conservative issues and I find it laughable that you would expect me as a conservative to vote for a very liberal policy agenda.
So you're good with whatever Marsha Blackburn does. Let's also remember she says this is a Christian Nation. They don't believe in the Constitution. They believe in the Bible over everything else.

Here's the bottom line: The people you vote for aren't conservative.

And you continue to vote for them.
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gounion wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:05 pm So you're good with whatever Marsha Blackburn does. Let's also remember she says this is a Christian Nation. They don't believe in the Constitution. They believe in the Bible over everything else.

Here's the bottom line: The people you vote for aren't conservative.

And you continue to vote for them.
Show me the post where I said I was good with everything she does. In fact I said the opposite. So once again, don’t put words in my mouth. You are free to speak for yourself but you don’t speak for me.

I vote for people who broadly support the policy positions I would like to see enacted. Im not going to agree with every position they take. I most certainly would not vote to put Schumer, Pelosi or Biden in charge of the economy. In about 12 months we are going to have a midterm election and I have a feeling that voters are going to be heard on the current power structure and direction of the country.
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carmenjonze wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:05 pm You're not being "silenced" because you're being disagreed with.

Support "gay marriage." or don't; who cares. The politicians you support are very actively using their religious proclivities to eliminate entire groups of people from public life.

Conservative whites have always referred to this behavior as so-called liberty and freedom. It's no different today, October 27th, 2021.
Religious Conservatives favorite thing to do is bitch loud and long about they are, "Being Silenced" and "Being Discriminated Against". They just plain out and out to complain how unfairly they are being treated because of their "Faith". Now, when they are accused of discrimination, of treating others unfairly, they cry about their 'Religious Freedom".

Religious Conservatives are the first to silence people they do not like. Deny rights (Marriage comes to mind) to those they deem godless and of course this is all done in the name of their non-existent Sky Man and his "Love" for them

In the words of Late Great George Carlin, "Religion Is Bullshit".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:15 pm Show me the post where I said I was good with everything she does. In fact I said the opposite. So once again, don’t put words in my mouth. You are free to speak for yourself but you don’t speak for me.

I vote for people who broadly support the policy positions I would like to see enacted. Im not going to agree with every position they take. I most certainly would not vote to put Schumer, Pelosi or Biden in charge of the economy. In about 12 months we are going to have a midterm election and I have a feeling that voters are going to be heard on the current power structure and direction of the country.
Be honest, you don't pay any attention to how she or anyone else votes. And her policy position is she'd like to make this country a religious theocracy. So it would seem that's the broad policy position you'd like to see enacted, right?

And on judges - the Federalist Society isn't about judges that will follow the law, it's about developing far-right ideologues that want to legislate from the bench. The Federalist Society develops political and ideological warriors that will use the judiciary to cement their views into law where it can't be overturned by any legislation. Fuck democracy.
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