US says Texas barred border agents from entering park to try to save 3 migrants who drowned

[gounion]

It’s not bullshit. It is actually in the Constitution. Enumerated rights. You don’t have to buy into it. That deal was done by the founders.

You guys don’t give a shit for anyone’s rights but your own. Hell, you’re happy to take away a woman’s right for life-saving health care.

But don’t worry - once an illegal gets past the border, Texas Governor Abbott has no problem giving them jobs, because there’s one thing you guys LOVE - cheap labor.

[bradman]

It’s not bullshit. It is actually in the Constitution. Enumerated rights. You don’t have to buy into it. That deal was done by the founders.

i was trying to tie some of the misbegotten adventures of fervent past "states rights" advocates to the fervent nationalism that is once again rearing it's ugly head here, and world wide.. Same shit, different century.

[gounion]

i was trying to tie some of the misbegotten adventures of fervent past "states rights" advocates to the fervent nationalism that is once again rearing it's ugly head here, and world wide.. Same shit, different century.

Well, considering Texas is talking again about leaving the union, you are exactly right.

They want to leave the United States, but they’ll tell you all day long how they are more patriotic that anyone else.

[JoeMemphis]

i was trying to tie some of the misbegotten adventures of fervent past "states rights" advocates to the fervent nationalism that is once again rearing it's ugly head here, and world wide.. Same shit, different century.

That’s what happens when folks start ignoring the laws they don’t like instead of following the process to change the law. The system breaks down. That’s how misbegotten adventures are born.

[Toonces]

Going back a bit. The "remain in Mexico" policy violated US and international law. The only reason it was in place was due to the pandemic, which could be invoked as emergency measures. Since the emergency no longer existed, the policy could not.

Whether you like it or not, any immigrant as the right to seek asylum. That opportunity is to be granted regardless of the possible outcome of the claim, and they have a right to have a hearing about it. They may well not have a legitimate asylum case, but it's for a judge to decide. Anyone on US soil is conveyed the rights available under the Constitution. This is the law. If the people want it to change, the law must be changed.

And no, they are under no obligation to seek asylum in the first country they arrive in. This is only an agreement between the USA and Canada.

They must be present in the country for which they are petitioning for asylum.

They are permitted to stay in the country until their disposition is adjudicated.

Things that could help

- Obviously, change the law.
- Fund the asylum system with more judges for quicker adjudications.
- Help fix their home countries. They would prefer to stay home
- Punish those who hire these immigrants. This will require some sacrifices from American citizens (eg: paying more for produce)

[Glennfs]

Well, considering Texas is talking again about leaving the union, you are exactly right.

They want to leave the United States, but they’ll tell you all day long how they are more patriotic that anyone else.

Texas is one of the few states which could survive on its own.

[JoeMemphis]

Going back a bit. The "remain in Mexico" policy violated US and international law. The only reason it was in place was due to the pandemic, which could be invoked as emergency measures. Since the emergency no longer existed, the policy could not.

Whether you like it or not, any immigrant as the right to seek asylum. That opportunity is to be granted regardless of the possible outcome of the claim, and they have a right to have a hearing about it. They may well not have a legitimate asylum case, but it's for a judge to decide. Anyone on US soil is conveyed the rights available under the Constitution. This is the law. If the people want it to change, the law must be changed.

And no, they are under no obligation to seek asylum in the first country they arrive in. This is only an agreement between the USA and Canada.

They must be present in the country for which they are petitioning for asylum.

They are permitted to stay in the country until their disposition is adjudicated.

Things that could help

- Obviously, change the law.
- Fund the asylum system with more judges for quicker adjudications.
- Help fix their home countries. They would prefer to stay home
- Punish those who hire these immigrants. This will require some sacrifices from American citizens (eg: paying more for produce)

Do you have a link to that law? The President has wide latitude when it comes to immigration. Obviously we have a great number of migrants entering the country that don’t qualify and won’t qualify for asylum under our laws. They are gaming our system. They are being told what to say to CBP. Remain in Mexico kept those migrants in Mexico because it required them to apply for asylum in the first country they entered. The US in most cases was not the first country. This President via executive order threw out a policy that was working and replaced it with a policy that clearly isn’t working.

You can attempt to “put lipstick on the pig” of a policy that Biden has wrought but the numbers clearly reflect what a failure it is. Especially when compared to his predecessors. He can claim he needs additional authority. He does not. He broke it via executive order without congressional help. He can fix it via executive order. He has no problem with executive orders any other time.

IMO Biden did all this because it was working for Trump and we know all things Trump must be destroyed regardless. Cutting off one’s nose to spite the face. Secondly, it was done as a strategy to force an immigration policy on the right by turning this into a crisis. The right didn’t go along and it doesn’t look like they are going to go along. So all these migrants are nothing but political pawns on a political chessboard being controlled by Biden. I don’t think he gives a shit about them or about the stress this is putting on our social safety nets, health care and education, etc, etc etc.

It’s his policy. He claims he has done all he can. He should run on this policy. Folks who think it’s a success should vote for him so we can have more of these types of successful Biden policies.

[gounion]

Texas is one of the few states which could survive on its own.

Only in their dreams. First thing is the USA would take out all 15 military bases, and all the airplanes, all the ships, all the tanks and their employees. Then all the military manufacturing facilities. Then Texas would have to figure out how to defend itself, because the National Guard is part of the DoD too. All gone.

Texas is dependent upon the national government. They couldn’t survive on their own without the federal government.

[gounion]

Do you have a link to that law? The President has wide latitude when it comes to immigration. Obviously we have a great number of migrants entering the country that don’t qualify and won’t qualify for asylum under our laws. They are gaming our system. They are being told what to say to CBP. Remain in Mexico kept those migrants in Mexico because it required them to apply for asylum in the first country they entered. The US in most cases was not the first country. This President via executive order threw out a policy that was working and replaced it with a policy that clearly isn’t working.

You can attempt to “put lipstick on the pig” of a policy that Biden has wrought but the numbers clearly reflect what a failure it is. Especially when compared to his predecessors. He can claim he needs additional authority. He does not. He broke it via executive order without congressional help. He can fix it via executive order. He has no problem with executive orders any other time.

IMO Biden did all this because it was working for Trump and we know all things Trump must be destroyed regardless. Cutting off one’s nose to spite the face. Secondly, it was done as a strategy to force an immigration policy on the right by turning this into a crisis. The right didn’t go along and it doesn’t look like they are going to go along. So all these migrants are nothing but political pawns on a political chessboard being controlled by Biden. I don’t think he gives a shit about them or about the stress this is putting on our social safety nets, health care and education, etc, etc etc.

It’s his policy. He claims he has done all he can. He should run on this policy. Folks who think it’s a success should vote for him so we can have more of these types of successful Biden policies.

You just keep spewing the same bullshit. You think the President is a King and can do whatever he wants. Funny how every time he makes a move you guys open an investigation. You WANT a king, that’s why you want Biden out and Trump back in. You just don’t believe in democracy.

[Glennfs]

Only in their dreams. First thing is the USA would take out all 15 military bases, and all the airplanes, all the ships, all the tanks and their employees. Then all the military manufacturing facilities. Then Texas would have to figure out how to defend itself, because the National Guard is part of the DoD too. All gone.

Texas is dependent upon the national government. They couldn’t survive on their own without the federal government.

Deep Water Port
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Agriculture
Diversified industry
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Texas is one of the few states which would survive as an independent nation

[JoeMemphis]

You just keep spewing the same bullshit. You think the President is a King and can do whatever he wants. Funny how every time he makes a move you guys open an investigation. You WANT a king, that’s why you want Biden out and Trump back in. You just don’t believe in democracy.

So you have nothing to offer to the discussion other than a personal attack? Thats pretty much all you really offer. Has been pretty much your MO since I joined ESMB and RFL.

Just to be clear. I really don’t want either Trump or Biden. I will not vote for either of them. I just would like a President who believes in and enforces the laws duly passed by the legislature. That’s in the oath. Shouldn’t be too much to ask. Just keep your word and do the job you were hired to do.

[gounion]

Deep Water Port
Oil Wells
OIL Refineries
Agriculture
Diversified industry
Financial Centers
Infrastructure
Conservative leadership

Texas is one of the few states which would survive as an independent nation

Bullshit. You’re dreaming.

All that infrastructure is paid for by the federal government. And how are they going to set up a military from scratch?

But keep on arguing for dissolving the United States. And you’ll argue it’s patriotic to do so, won’t you?

[gounion]

So you have nothing to offer to the discussion other than a personal attack? Thats pretty much all you really offer. Has been pretty much your MO since I joined ESMB and RFL.

Just to be clear. I really don’t want either Trump or Biden. I will not vote for either of them. I just would like a President who believes in and enforces the laws duly passed by the legislature. That’s in the oath. Shouldn’t be too much to ask. Just keep your word and do the job you were hired to do.

It’s all YOU do too. You personally attack me all the time - but of course, like always, you’ll say it’s MY fault - you can’t take personal responsibility for your actions.

Well, it’s either Trump or Biden, because Trump controls the Republican Party. That’s the fact. So it’s funny you ONLY argue against Biden, you don’t say a word about what Trump did. You tell us that Trump’s immigration policy was fantastic, that Biden screwed it all up. You blame any economic problems on Biden, but of course he doesn’t get any credit for turning things around after the pandemic.

You aren’t fooling anyone - we know you have a side, your passive/aggressive bullshit is easy to see through.

[Glennfs]

Bullshit. You’re dreaming.

All that infrastructure is paid for by the federal government. And how are they going to set up a military from scratch?

But keep on arguing for dissolving the United States. And you’ll argue it’s patriotic to do so, won’t you?

Your last two sentences are argumentative bullshit. All we were doing is speculating on Texas as a sovereign nation.
Just a friendly discussion but of course you have to throw in crsp like that.

[gounion]

Your last two sentences are argumentative bullshit. All we were doing is speculating on Texas as a sovereign nation.
Just a friendly discussion but of course you have to throw in crsp like that.

Because it’s bullshit. You’re just pushing the confederate line. Different century, same old bullshit. “We love American more than you, but we want out!”

That’s what they’re trying now - ignoring the laws and even Supreme Court decisions. Just waiting for them to post new articles of succession.

[Glennfs]

It’s all YOU do too. You personally attack me all the time - but of course, like always, you’ll say it’s MY fault - you can’t take personal responsibility for your actions.

Well, it’s either Trump or Biden, because Trump controls the Republican Party. That’s the fact. So it’s funny you ONLY argue against Biden, you don’t say a word about what Trump did. You tell us that Trump’s immigration policy was fantastic, that Biden screwed it all up. You blame any economic problems on Biden, but of course he doesn’t get any credit for turning things around after the pandemic.

You aren’t fooling anyone - we know you have a side, your passive/aggressive bullshit is easy to see through.

In your opinion is the border crisis better since Biden took office or worse since Biden took office

[gounion]

In your opinion is the border crisis better since Biden took office or worse since Biden took office

Was it a crisis BEFORE he took office? Or did it just become a crisis AFTER Biden took office, like Joe said?

[Glennfs]

Was it a crisis BEFORE he took office? Or did it just become a crisis AFTER Biden took office, like Joe said?

So man up and answer is it better or worse since Biden took office

[JoeMemphis]

It’s all YOU do too. You personally attack me all the time - but of course, like always, you’ll say it’s MY fault - you can’t take personal responsibility for your actions.

Well, it’s either Trump or Biden, because Trump controls the Republican Party. That’s the fact. So it’s funny you ONLY argue against Biden, you don’t say a word about what Trump did. You tell us that Trump’s immigration policy was fantastic, that Biden screwed it all up. You blame any economic problems on Biden, but of course he doesn’t get any credit for turning things around after the pandemic.

You aren’t fooling anyone - we know you have a side, your passive/aggressive bullshit is easy to see through.

What you do IS all your fault. And let’s do be clear, 95 percent of these flame wars are started by You. I have offered more than once to refrain from such activity if you will make the same commitment. So the ball is in your court.

It’s Trump or Biden or some third party candidate. So the choice is to choose between the lesser of two evils or some third party person or not vote at all. Everybody gets that choice. You decide for you and I will decide for me. I’ve been clear why I’m not voting for either of these two front runners. If that is sufficient for you then that’s your problem not mine.

I never said Trump’s policy was fantastic. I said it worked. It certainly works much better than Biden’s open border policy. The numbers show it. That’s what we are discussing.

[gounion]

So man up and answer is it better or worse since Biden took office

First, I don’t think it’s a crisis. Second, yes, it’s worse, but it’s been a problem through many Presidents, starting with Reagan who gave them all amnesty. But it’s not Biden’s fault that it’s worse - it’s because of political problems in South America. Which, of course, you’ll also blame on Biden.

[gounion]

What you do IS all your fault. And let’s do be clear, 95 percent of these flame wars are started by You. I have offered more than once to refrain from such activity if you will make the same commitment. So the ball is in your court.

Yep, blame it all on me. You can’t take responsibility for your own actions.

It’s Trump or Biden or some third party candidate. So the choice is to choose between the lesser of two evils or some third party person or not vote at all. Everybody gets that choice. You decide for you and I will decide for me. I’ve been clear why I’m not voting for either of these two front runners. If that is sufficient for you then that’s your problem not mine.

I never said Trump’s policy was fantastic. I said it worked. It certainly works much better than Biden’s open border policy. The numbers show it. That’s what we are discussing.

No the numbers don’t show it. Things have changed in South America, and that’s what the issue is. But go ahead, pretend that Trump was great.

[gounion]

[ZoWie]

It's too bad that cartoons are in such a decline, when the "funnies" are the only place we're allowed to see the truth.

[gounion]

It's too bad that cartoons are in such a decline, when the "funnies" are the only place we're allowed to see the truth.

Agreed!

[gounion]

Your last two sentences are argumentative bullshit. All we were doing is speculating on Texas as a sovereign nation.
Just a friendly discussion but of course you have to throw in crsp like that.

Your former Governor says that Texas has the right to secede. I not only disagree, I say that anyone that believes that is not fit to be the President of the United States.

We don’t need anymore civil wars, even though that’s what many GOP elected officials want.