Senate Border Plan

[gounion]

Here’s what’s in it: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/04/politics ... id=ios_app

— New emergency authority to restrict border crossings if daily average migrant encounters reach 4,000 over a one-week span. If that metric is reached, the Homeland Security secretary could decide to largely bar migrants from seeking asylum if they crossed the border unlawfully.

If migrant crossings increase above 5,000 on average per day on a given week, DHS is required to use the authority. If encounters reach 8,500 in one day, the department is required to trigger the authority. But the federal government is limited in how long it can use the authority.

In the first year, the government can use it for 270 days, then 225 calendar days in the second year, and 180 days in the third year. The authority sunsets after three years.

— Codifies a policy that requires the government to process at least 1,400 asylum applications at ports of entry when the emergency authority is triggered.

— Raises the legal standard of proof to pass the initial screening for asylum, making it potentially more difficult for asylum seekers to pass.

— Expedites the asylum processing timeline from years to six months.

— Introduces a new process in which US Citizenship and Immigration Services would decide an asylum claim without it going through the immigration court system. The process doesn’t apply to unaccompanied migrant children.

— Preserves the president’s authority to designate humanitarian parole on a case-by-case basis. President Joe Biden has used the authority for Ukrainians, Afghans, Cubans, Venezuelans and Haitians, among other populations.

— Includes limited changes that narrow the use of parole at land borders.

— Authorizes 250,000 additional immigrant visas to spread out over five years for families and applies to employment-based immigrants.

— Provides a pathway to citizenship for Afghans paroled into the United States after the US’ withdrawal from Afghanistan and extends the special immigrant visa program for Afghans who worked for the US government.

So, Glenn, Joe, tell me why you’re against it.

[Glennfs]

Here’s what’s in it: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/04/politics ... id=ios_app



So, Glenn, Joe, tell me why you’re against it.

I don't trust the democratic party which is for open borders in hopes of grooming new democratic voters to implement the program if it were passed. Or nor cancel it if they control the executive and legislative

[gounion]

I don't trust the democratic party which is for open borders in hopes of grooming new democratic voters to implement the program if it were passed. Or nor cancel it if they control the executive and legislative

This is a bi-partisan plan - the GOP in the Senate is for it, Donald Trump is against it.

I told you that you would do this.

[JoeMemphis]

Here’s what’s in it: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/04/politics ... id=ios_app



So, Glenn, Joe, tell me why you’re against it.

1. I’m for regular order. Debate and hearings. Vet this proposal that way. I am neither for or against it at this point in time. Bring it up for votes after regular ordering each house and work thru differences in reconciliation process.

2. I agree with Glenn that the Biden administration cannot be trusted on border issues. So I would want to know what mechanisms are in place to insure the executive branch enforces this law and just doesn’t ignore it.

[gounion]

1. I’m for regular order. Debate and hearings. Vet this proposal that way. I am neither for or against it at this point in time. Bring it up for votes after regular ordering each house and work thru differences in reconciliation process.

2. I agree with Glenn that the Biden administration cannot be trusted on border issues. So I would want to know what mechanisms are in place to insure the executive branch enforces this law and just doesn’t ignore it.

What a fucking cop-out. This is something YOUR PARTY brought up - and you won’t even look at it and give an opinion.

Gutless wonder.

[JoeMemphis]

What a fucking cop-out. This is something YOUR PARTY brought up - and you won’t even look at it and give an opinion.

Gutless wonder.

Don’t have a “party”. Don’t have a “side”. My opinion on anything like this is based partially of what we learn hearing from stakeholders. The text of this bill has been public for how long? 24 / 48 hours? I mean before spending 20 billion on a solution I think regular order is called for. Otherwise we are just throwing borrowed money at a problem not knowing if what we are doing solves the problem. I am always suspicious when anyone wants to pass major legislation outside regular order. This administration has had this problem for three years and now want the legislature to solve the problem without regular order within a week. That’s a red flag.

What is your problem with regular order?

[gounion]

Don’t have a “party”. Don’t have a “side”. My opinion on anything like this is based partially of what we learn hearing from stakeholders. The text of this bill has been public for how long? 24 / 48 hours? I mean before spending 20 billion on a solution I think regular order is called for. Otherwise we are just throwing borrowed money at a problem not knowing if what we are doing solves the problem. I am always suspicious when anyone wants to pass major legislation outside regular order. This administration has had this problem for three years and now want the legislature to solve the problem without regular order within a week. That’s a red flag.

What is your problem with regular order?

Again, COP-OUT. I listed what was in the bill, you could say, “okay, I like this, I don’t like that” but you’re too gutless to say anything, because you don’t give an actual shit about FIXING the problem, you just want an issue that you think can beat Biden and put Trump in office.

And you obviously haven’t taken a government 101 class. That’s not how things work. Representatives or Senators work together to craft bills. THEN after the bill is introduced, THEN they are put into the regular order of business where they can debate and add amendments. They do NOT craft a bill in the regular order.

You really ARE a dumbass.

And the House won’t allow ANYTHING to happen, no regular orders, no vote, no nothing because Dear Leader told them not to.

[gounion]

But hey, Joe and Glenn, you got your wish. McConnell has killed the bill because of Trump’s pressure, three hours after speaking in favor of it. https://www.rawstory.com/mitch-mcconnel ... rder-bill/

But here’s the thing - this is the best bill for the GOP you can ever get. It’s the only time that such a bill favored by the GOP could EVER get 60 votes in the Senate. It can’t happen again in a Biden OR Trump administration.

Talk about biting off your nose to spite your face. You guys are truly idiots.

[JoeMemphis]

Again, COP-OUT. I listed what was in the bill, you could say, “okay, I like this, I don’t like that” but you’re too gutless to say anything, because you don’t give an actual shit about FIXING the problem, you just want an issue that you think can beat Biden and put Trump in office.

And you obviously haven’t taken a government 101 class. That’s not how things work. Representatives or Senators work together to craft bills. THEN after the bill is introduced, THEN they are put into the regular order of business where they can debate and add amendments. They do NOT craft a bill in the regular order.

You really ARE a dumbass.

And the House won’t allow ANYTHING to happen, no regular orders, no vote, no nothing because Dear Leader told them not to.

Oh you listed what was in the bill??? So you said in a few paragraphs what takes hundreds of pages to put in legislation? Besides, you like so frequently I never accept anything you post at face value.

I already stated that I was open to whatever proposal they put forward. Neither for or against at this point. I called for regular order. In the real world, people socialize their proposals and give people a chance to read and digest proposals and offer changes or criticisms. Regular order. You demand an opinion ahead of time. Perhaps you think it wise to make decisions before you have all the facts? Before you have consulted with stakeholders. Maybe you are a “leap before you look” kinda guy. You often do go off half cocked and quite often, more than often, mostly, wrong.

But you go ahead smart guy. You and Trump are the smartest guys in the room.

[JoeMemphis]

But hey, Joe and Glenn, you got your wish. McConnell has killed the bill because of Trump’s pressure, three hours after speaking in favor of it. https://www.rawstory.com/mitch-mcconnel ... rder-bill/

But here’s the thing - this is the best bill for the GOP you can ever get. It’s the only time that such a bill favored by the GOP could EVER get 60 votes in the Senate. It can’t happen again in a Biden OR Trump administration.

Talk about biting off your nose to spite your face. You guys are truly idiots.

I am sure you concern for the GOP is heartfelt.

[gounion]

Oh you listed what was in the bill??? So you said in a few paragraphs what takes hundreds of pages to put in legislation? Besides, you like so frequently I never accept anything you post at face value.

I already stated that I was open to whatever proposal they put forward. Neither for or against at this point. I called for regular order. In the real world, people socialize their proposals and give people a chance to read and digest proposals and offer changes or criticisms. Regular order. You demand an opinion ahead of time. Perhaps you think it wise to make decisions before you have all the facts? Before you have consulted with stakeholders. Maybe you are a “leap before you look” kinda guy. You often do go off half cocked and quite often, more than often, mostly, wrong.

But you go ahead smart guy. You and Trump are the smartest guys in the room.

I listed it from a CNN article - probably the most even-handed on such things. But you didn’t even read it, did you?

Then you came up with a bullshit thing showing you have no idea how laws are made. You are an idiot.

[gounion]

I am sure you concern for the GOP is heartfelt.

Nope, just pointing out that there is a REASON the GOP Senate worked so hard to craft a bill in a bipartisan manner - because they knew this was the one time they could get a lot of their wishes into a law. But your Dear Leader blew it up, just like you wanted him too, because you have no interest in fixing anything, you just want something to hammer Biden on, because you care more about getting Trump back into office than you care about the future of this nation.

[JoeMemphis]

I listed it from a CNN article - probably the most even-handed on such things. But you didn’t even read it, did you?

Then you came up with a bullshit thing showing you have no idea how laws are made. You are an idiot.

Anything you post or reference is automatically suspect. You lie too much too often. It’s your reputation. Well deserved.

[gounion]

Anything you post or reference is automatically suspect. You lie too much too often. It’s your reputation. Well deserved.

At least I understand how making laws works. And nope, don’t have that repution, on in your fantasy world.

[JoeMemphis]

Nope, just pointing out that there is a REASON the GOP Senate worked so hard to craft a bill in a bipartisan manner - because they knew this was the one time they could get a lot of their wishes into a law. But your Dear Leader blew it up, just like you wanted him too, because you have no interest in fixing anything, you just want something to hammer Biden on, because you care more about getting Trump back into office than you care about the future of this nation.

Don’t have a dear leader. You obviously believe in such things.

I have an interest in seeing things get fixed. Biden has all the authority he needs to fix things. He has the same authority his predecessors had legally. Laws have not changed. His policy is wrong headed and he is just too stupid or stubborn to change.

That said. I see no reason to rush passage of a bill that has been public for a couple of days.

[JoeMemphis]

At least I understand how making laws works. And nope, don’t have that repution, on in your fantasy world.

Yeah right.

[Glennfs]

This is a bi-partisan plan - the GOP in the Senate is for it, Donald Trump is against it.

I told you that you would do this.

You say it is bi partisan I wonder. Considering you the house hearing bi partisan because it had two disgruntled Republicans hand-picked by democrats

[bradman]

Rumor has it the republicans are floating a separate bill to fund Israel. An empty gesture given Biden will be forced to veto it. In the mean time Ukraine hangs in the balance. Perhaps..... Tucker will ask Putin what he thinks of it.

[gounion]

You say it is bi partisan I wonder. Considering you the house hearing bi partisan because it had two disgruntled Republicans hand-picked by democrats

Yes, it’s bipartisan. The GOP worked with the Dems to craft the bill.

But hey, whatever Trump tells you to say…

[Glennfs]

Rumor has it the republicans are floating a separate bill to fund Israel. An empty gesture given Biden will be forced to veto it. In the mean time Ukraine hangs in the balance. Perhaps..... Tucker will ask Putin what he thinks of it.

Why would Biden be forced to veto it? Is democratic party politics more important than helping our only ally in the region

Or is it because of the anti semitism of the liberal democratic caucus

[gounion]

Oklahoma Senator James Langford, R-OK, a border hawk endorsed by Trump, was a lead negotiator on the deal.

It’s funny how you’ll stretch things to defend Dear Leader and his wishes.

[bradman]

Why would Biden be forced to veto it? Is democratic party politics more important than helping our only ally in the region

Or is it because of the anti semitism of the liberal democratic caucus

Because it's not tied to Ukraine/Taiwan aid that's why.

What about our other allies? i mean come on.......

Is democratic party politics more important than helping our only ally in the region

Is republican party politics more important than helping our other allies around the world?

The irony.........The hypocrisy.............is staggering.

[gounion]

Why is Glenn against helping Ukraine? Is it because Putin and Dear Leader tell him to be against it?

[bradman]

i haven't figured that one out yet. So far, the best i got is that it doesn't fit Revelations. Like another poster mentioned some time back. Revelations gives them a woody.

[ZoWie]

True, especially the part about the Apocalypse. Oh by the way, there's quite a bit of widely accepted Bible scholarship that says that book wasn't really valid scripture and should be taken out. Their description makes it sound like some monk ate too many of those magic mushrooms and saw the whole thing on the wall next to his bed of nails.

FWIW, the French Army is now using it for Morse code practice. Really. Sometimes it's even on the radio and you can hear it too. It's machine Morse, so your computer will produce a marginally adequate decode.

US border policy would make lousy Morse code practice, because silence doesn't decode.