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And our two conservatives won't say a word against him in this. https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics ... index.html
Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.

“NATO was busted until I came along,” Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. “I said, ‘Everybody’s gonna pay.’ They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay, are you still going to protect us?’ I said, ‘Absolutely not.’ They couldn’t believe the answer.”

Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”

“No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”
Trump goes where the money is, and he loves Putin the KGB Thug.
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Why are you so obsessed with Trump and why in the fuck do we have to comment about every dumbass thing he says and does.

This is just another example of something Trump said that I would not know about if not for your Trump obsession.

Trump truly lives in your brain and you obviously either Google or go to some websites where they follow Trump 24/7.

I renounce Trump and what he said about NATO. I find it as disturbing and disgusting as what democratic members of the House and Senate have said about Israel.
It is another reason of why I am glad I did not vote for Trump and will will never vote for Trump.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:39 am Why are you so obsessed with Trump and why in the fuck do we have to comment about every dumbass thing he says and does.

This is just another example of something Trump said that I would not know about if not for your Trump obsession.

Trump truly lives in your brain and you obviously either Google or go to some websites where they follow Trump 24/7.

I renounce Trump and what he said about NATO. I find it as disturbing and disgusting as what democratic members of the House and Senate have said about Israel.
It is another reason of why I am glad I did not vote for Trump and will will never vote for Trump.
This isn't just some random dumbass comment, Glenn. This is SERIOUS. This man is in Putin's pocket, and will stab every democratic nation in the back.

And you pretend he isn't.

This man is your nominee for President. Everyone on your side wants him to be President.

He is dangerous, but all you care about is making sure Biden doesn't win the election in November.

So if Biden loses, what, exactly, does that mean, Glenn.

You pretend you don't know.
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gounion wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:49 am This isn't just some random dumbass comment, Glenn. This is SERIOUS. This man is in Putin's pocket, and will stab every democratic nation in the back.

And you pretend he isn't.

This man is your nominee for President. Everyone on your side wants him to be President.

He is dangerous, but all you care about is making sure Biden doesn't win the election in November.

So if Biden loses, what, exactly, does that mean, Glenn.

You pretend you don't know.
No matter who wins in November we are fucked as a nation for the next 4 years. The one redeeming thing about Biden is whoever is pulling yhe strings behind the curtain ( I believe it's his wife) is keeping things afloat.
If he has to step down and Harris takes over we are fucked even worse.

As for your response when have I ever said I wanted Trump to be president. Being truthful about Biden is not an endorsement of Trump.

If we are lucky somehow Trump will legally be kept off the ballot.
If we are lucky Biden will withdraw and Harris won't be the nominee
If we are really lucky all three will happen.

As bad as Newsom is and as bad as his policies would be. At least we would still have a county after his one term.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:58 am No matter who wins in November we are fucked as a nation for the next 4 years. The one redeeming thing about Biden is whoever is pulling yhe strings behind the curtain ( I believe it's his wife) is keeping things afloat.
If he has to step down and Harris takes over we are fucked even worse.

As for your response when have I ever said I wanted Trump to be president. Being truthful about Biden is not an endorsement of Trump.

If we are lucky somehow Trump will legally be kept off the ballot.
If we are lucky Biden will withdraw and Harris won't be the nominee
If we are really lucky all three will happen.

As bad as Newsom is and as bad as his policies would be. At least we would still have a county after his one term.
If Trump wins, you will see the very end of our nation, Glenn. I mean, we can't sell our nation to Vladimir Putin. We can't sell our nation to Kim.

And that's what would happen.

Don't pretend it's anything else.

Biden has a strong administration, and we MUST make sure he wins in November.

You refuse to answer my question - but the answer is that Biden is far more able to lead our nation than Donald Trump.
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gounion wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:02 am If Trump wins, you will see the very end of our nation, Glenn. I mean, we can't sell our nation to Vladimir Putin. We can't sell our nation to Kim.

And that's what would happen.

Don't pretend it's anything else.

Biden has a strong administration, and we MUST make sure he wins in November.

You refuse to answer my question - but the answer is that Biden is far more able to lead our nation than Donald Trump.
If either man wins it will be a disaster for our country and our world.
I think our country will survive either but be very damaged.
I give it a 10pct chance of not surviving Biden a 15pct chance of not surviving Trump.

On a related note a 100pct chance if not surviving if we ever became a defacto one party country. The way so many especially on the left want.

A country where if either party has a 1 seat majority in the house and senate the other party has no say.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:25 am If either man wins it will be a disaster for our country and our world.
I think our country will survive either but be very damaged.
I give it a 10pct chance of not surviving Biden a 15pct chance of not surviving Trump.

On a related note a 100pct chance if not surviving if we ever became a defacto one party country. The way so many especially on the left want.

A country where if either party has a 1 seat majority in the house and senate the other party has no say.
Biden has already proven he can lead this country. Trump has already proven the opposite.

I guess you have no worry when Trump gives Putin the keys to the nation, and helps him attack other nations. What could possibly go wrong?

And Biden winning doesn’t make us a 1-party county.

But Trump will imprison and kill his enemies this next time. He will have no one holding him back this time.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:25 am If either man wins it will be a disaster for our country and our world.
I think our country will survive either but be very damaged.
I give it a 10pct chance of not surviving Biden a 15pct chance of not surviving Trump.

On a related note a 100pct chance if not surviving if we ever became a defacto one party country. The way so many especially on the left want.

A country where if either party has a 1 seat majority in the house and senate the other party has no say.
You keep equating Biden with Trump. You can’t.

This attack on NATO by Trump is enough to disqualify him as America’s President right there. At worst Biden’s memory isn’t perfect; but Donald Trump has mental illness, Glenn. You always defend him, but here’s what Ronald Reagan said about NATO: https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/ ... n-europe-0

Read the entire letter.

Then look what Trump has done. What would Reagan say?

I’d say he’d probably vote for Biden to withhold the world order for our future. Reagan shits all over our natural and long-term allies, in order to buddy up to Kim and Vlad.

It’s pretty simple, Glenn. Our nation’s future depends upon Trump losing this election. But the entire Republican Party is all in on whatever Trump says. That SHOULD be worrisome to you.
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gounion wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:44 pm You keep equating Biden with Trump. You can’t.

This attack on NATO by Trump is enough to disqualify him as America’s President right there. At worst Biden’s memory isn’t perfect; but Donald Trump has mental illness, Glenn. You always defend him, but here’s what Ronald Reagan said about NATO: https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/ ... n-europe-0

Read the entire letter.

Then look what Trump has done. What would Reagan say?

I’d say he’d probably vote for Biden to withhold the world order for our future. Reagan shits all over our natural and long-term allies, in order to buddy up to Kim and Vlad.

It’s pretty simple, Glenn. Our nation’s future depends upon Trump losing this election. But the entire Republican Party is all in on whatever Trump says. That SHOULD be worrisome to you.
Saying neither is qualified is simply telling the truth.
I was obviously correct about Biden's mental health.
You are obviously correct about Trump.

Why is admitting the truth about Biden simply hard for liberals to do. Are you guys the left equivalent to Maga Republicans who ignore everything Trump says and does?

At the very least Biden should take a cognitive test and the results made public.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:24 am :?:

Saying neither is qualified is simply telling the truth.
I was obviously correct about Biden's mental health.
You are obviously correct about Trump.

Why is admitting the truth about Biden simply hard for liberals to do. Are you guys the left equivalent to Maga Republicans who ignore everything Trump says and does?

At the very least Biden should take a cognitive test and the results made public.
If he passed it wouldn't matter, you wouldn't believe it.

And no, equating Trump and Biden is NOT telling the truth. It's deflecting for Dear Leader.

Reagan supported NATO. Any Republican that says what Trump says shouldn't be an elected official at any level.

Biden is doing a good job as President, dealing with tough issues. He's earned his re-election.
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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:36 am If he passed it wouldn't matter, you wouldn't believe it.

And no, equating Trump and Biden is NOT telling the truth. It's deflecting for Dear Leader.

Reagan supported NATO. Any Republican that says what Trump says shouldn't be an elected official at any level.

Biden is doing a good job as President, dealing with tough issues. He's earned his re-election.
Is your last paragraph also apply to Strom Thurmond? Another political figure not fit for his office
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If Zombie Thurmond wants to run, it's best to just let him.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:23 am Is your last paragraph also apply to Strom Thurmond? Another political figure not fit for his office
You mean the guy you never missed voting for?

You’re just pointing out your own hypocrisy. You’ll always support anyone with an R by their name, and always attack anyone with the D.

You don’t care if it’s true or not.
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"I said: 'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?'... 'No I would not protect you, in fact I would encourage them to do whatever they want. You gotta pay.'"
Is he talking about NATO or his bankruptcies?
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bradman wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:06 pm Is he talking about NATO or his bankruptcies?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Some macho tough guy who's facing criminal charges threatening an intergovernmental military alliance yeah that'll score him political points this will bring him & The GOP down even further he's clearly lipstick on a pig. 💄🐷
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United Russia is really going overboard.

Russia puts the leader of NATO member Estonia on a wanted list over the removal of Soviet-era monuments

TALLINN, Estonia (AP) — Estonia’s prime minister has been put on a wanted list in Russia because of her efforts to remove Soviet-era World War II monuments in the Baltic nation, officials said Tuesday as tensions between Russia and the West soar amid the war in Ukraine.

The name of Prime Minister Kaja Kallas appeared on the Russian Interior Ministry’s list of people wanted on unspecified criminal charges. While independent Russian news outlet Mediazona first reported Tuesday that Kallas was on the list, it said she has been on it for a while. The list includes scores of officials and lawmakers from other Baltic nations.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-eston ... a9a4a93fe8
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Vlad Putin in his Tucker Carlson interview blamed Poland for starting WW2, that they FORCED poor Adolf to invade them. He’s saying that Ukraine forced HIS hand. This is a direct threat to Poland, a member of NATO.

Shortly thereafter, Trump says he told a NATO allie - probably Poland, in the context, that he would ENCOURAGE Putin to invade NATO countries.

The Senate vote FOR the Ukraine - and Israel - support bill, but 26 Senators voted to let Russia overwhelm the Ukraine, including both of South Carolina and Florida’s Senators - and both Joe and Glenn will full vote for these Senators that carried Vladimir Putin’s - and Donald Trump’s - water for this.

And now the Speaker of the House says he will refuse to let the bill be heard.

I remember when conservatives were anti-communist. Apparently those days are over, and they fully support Putin’s plan for domination of Europe.

Shameful.
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You must have watched Rachel Maddow. She hit the nail dead on, as usual, but it was so scary I switched the channel. I see that AT&T building out the window of our place in New York, and I always figured it was just more post-modern posturing, but now I find out the architect was a friend of Father Coughlin and a Nazi, and still he designed many of the office buildings put up after the war.

Money talks, apparently.
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Looks like the failure to advocate for peace and bring about cease fire in both Ukraine and Israel Palestine is emboldening the spread of violence and war crimes in both regions.
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Motor City wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:31 pm Looks like the failure to advocate for peace and bring about cease fire in both Ukraine and Israel Palestine is emboldening the spread of violence and war crimes in both regions.
Two different things. The Ukraine was invaded by a modern day HItler. Remember how trying for peace with Hitler worked out for England.
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When are going to say a word against the democratic congress people and Senators who have said our president is responsible for genocide
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Glennfs wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:03 pm When are going to say a word against the democratic congress people and Senators who have said our president is responsible for genocide
I guess it's okay if the GOP does that, right?
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President Biden is not responsible for genocide, and those who make that accusation are wrong, objectively speaking. However, I can fully understand where some are angry with Biden. He hasn't used enough pressure to get the Israelis to back off, at least publicly. Some criticism is warranted and the closer it affects you, the more vocal one will be. I disagree with the assessment, but I don't object to those who profess it.

They're also free to criticize President Biden without fear, unlike "the other side" who toadie to Donald without hesitation. Defending his remarks on NATO? Absolutely no balls, because threatening NATO *IS* dangerous, regardless of whether he means it or not. Russia doesn't care whether or not he's being serious, it's all a matter of him having said it. It is not harmless rhetoric. If he's saying he won't defend NATO allies, what do you think non-NATO allies might think?
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Ask Liz Cheney what happens if you stand against Donald Trump as a Republican.

That's why Lindsey Graham in in the tank for Trump. The GOP is full of Profiles in Cowardice.
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